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On April 20 2012 06:22 Hinanawi wrote:
Voted Obama in 2008, will not be voting in 2012. Well, I will go to vote on the California propositions and such, but I'll probably leave the President section blank, or write in my own name.
Philosophically I'm still closer to Obama than to Romney, but I can't in good conscience vote the 'lesser of two evils' when even the lesser of two evils still set the precedent of trial-less assassinations of US citizens, and continues to make America into Israel's dog, draining our resources and the lives of our soldiers over something that doesn't concern us.
Of course, Romney is just as bad or worse on most of those points, but again, I refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils when there's so much evil in both.
If there are enough people, maybe more Independents like Bernie Sanders will be elected.
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On April 19 2012 18:16 BlackJack wrote:
I think Romney will win but I think it's pretty irrelevant who wins. Their records are pretty similar so the edge goes to the white guy.
??? romney has no chance in this election year. even most top republicans know this and are waiting to pull out their big guns for the next race. obama wins this, guaranteed.
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On April 20 2012 06:22 Hinanawi wrote:
Voted Obama in 2008, will not be voting in 2012. Well, I will go to vote on the California propositions and such, but I'll probably leave the President section blank, or write in my own name.
Philosophically I'm still closer to Obama than to Romney, but I can't in good conscience vote the 'lesser of two evils' when even the lesser of two evils still set the precedent of trial-less assassinations of US citizens, and continues to make America into Israel's dog, draining our resources and the lives of our soldiers over something that doesn't concern us.
Of course, Romney is just as bad or worse on most of those points, but again, I refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils when there's so much evil in both.
I get this, but the problem is that this kind of attitude brought to the world stage George W Bush.
People need to vote democrat.
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On April 20 2012 06:25 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2012 06:22 Hinanawi wrote:
Voted Obama in 2008, will not be voting in 2012. Well, I will go to vote on the California propositions and such, but I'll probably leave the President section blank, or write in my own name.
Philosophically I'm still closer to Obama than to Romney, but I can't in good conscience vote the 'lesser of two evils' when even the lesser of two evils still set the precedent of trial-less assassinations of US citizens, and continues to make America into Israel's dog, draining our resources and the lives of our soldiers over something that doesn't concern us.
Of course, Romney is just as bad or worse on most of those points, but again, I refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils when there's so much evil in both. I get this, but the problem is that this kind of attitude brought to the world stage George W Bush. People need to vote democrat.
Democracy does that to you, especially right now in America. It's definitely true. But just like you said, you still gotta vote or something worse will happen.
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On April 20 2012 06:25 Golgotha wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 18:16 BlackJack wrote:
I think Romney will win but I think it's pretty irrelevant who wins. Their records are pretty similar so the edge goes to the white guy. ??? romney has no chance in this election year. even most top republicans know this and are waiting to pull out their big guns for the next race. obama wins this, guaranteed.
Don't know where you got this.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/18/cnn-poll-of-polls-all-knotted-up-between-obama-and-romney/
I'd love to see a Romney-Rice ticket, highlighting two moderates.
Right now I slightly favour Romney over Obama, but both would be good presidents. If Romney takes Santorum or someone of that sort, I would throw up a little in my mouth though.
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The concept of having a president sickens me. The Swiss are so god damn lucky with their system they don't even know. Not going to vote, I hate them both. Both are war mongers, neither will balance the budget, both are liars, both support the patriot act, both are garbage who deserve to rot. But these things matter little as the position is inherently too powerful and no one should have it.
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On April 20 2012 06:25 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2012 06:22 Hinanawi wrote:
Voted Obama in 2008, will not be voting in 2012. Well, I will go to vote on the California propositions and such, but I'll probably leave the President section blank, or write in my own name.
Philosophically I'm still closer to Obama than to Romney, but I can't in good conscience vote the 'lesser of two evils' when even the lesser of two evils still set the precedent of trial-less assassinations of US citizens, and continues to make America into Israel's dog, draining our resources and the lives of our soldiers over something that doesn't concern us.
Of course, Romney is just as bad or worse on most of those points, but again, I refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils when there's so much evil in both. I get this, but the problem is that this kind of attitude brought to the world stage George W Bush. People need to vote democrat.
GWB wasn't that bad of a president, I hate it when people spout that bullshit.
I think he did a bad job when it came to tax cuts (he should have been going the other way on taxes), but otherwise I don't think it was that bad. I think Obama has done better but both have been good presidents.
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On April 20 2012 06:32 smokeyhoodoo wrote:
The concept of having a president sickens me. The Swiss are so god damn lucky with their system they don't even know. Not going to vote, I hate them both. Both are war mongers, neither will balance the budget, both are liars, both support the patriot act, both are garbage who deserve to rot. But these things matter little as the position is inherently too powerful and no one should have it.
What does that have to do with presidency? Its like that everywhere.
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On April 20 2012 06:33 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2012 06:25 Sub40APM wrote:On April 20 2012 06:22 Hinanawi wrote:
Voted Obama in 2008, will not be voting in 2012. Well, I will go to vote on the California propositions and such, but I'll probably leave the President section blank, or write in my own name.
Philosophically I'm still closer to Obama than to Romney, but I can't in good conscience vote the 'lesser of two evils' when even the lesser of two evils still set the precedent of trial-less assassinations of US citizens, and continues to make America into Israel's dog, draining our resources and the lives of our soldiers over something that doesn't concern us.
Of course, Romney is just as bad or worse on most of those points, but again, I refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils when there's so much evil in both. I get this, but the problem is that this kind of attitude brought to the world stage George W Bush. People need to vote democrat. GWB wasn't that bad of a president, I hate it when people spout that bullshit. I think he did a bad job when it came to tax cuts (he should have been going the other way on taxes), but otherwise I don't think it was that bad. I think Obama has done better but both have been good presidents.
spout that bullshit?
Lets see dumb things that he did:
1) Invaded Iraq by making up lies, setting his lackeys on people who opposed the invasion because...there was no good reason for the invasion.
2) Two tax cuts that helped to accelerate the trend of income inequality, turned a budget surplus into a historic deficit
3) Cut back on financial regulation, setting up the crisis in 07 very nicely while pushing for a 'home ownership' society that pushed more and more people into buying homes.
4) extra judicial torture is a o k!
5) Tried to put his personally lackey on the Supreme Court, a move so egregious even his own party opposed it.
6) Sat on his hands while oil prices went from under 50 dollars a barrel to 168 [and hey why not, his friends in the oil industry appreciated the help!]
7) Sat on his hands while China de-industralized America, watched passively while a historic trade deficit widened further than ever
8) Encouraged Israel to engage in highly aggressive behavior that did nothing for America, well most of America, the defense contractors who got rich obviously appreciate that Israel used up its advanced munitions very rapidly so new orders could be filled
9) No child left behind act. Jerry rigged a system that encourages 0 actual educational improvement but promotes teaching a standardized test
10) Packed the Supreme Court with political justices that have no problem seeing corporations as people but think the healthcare mandate of all things is unconstitutional
This is just off the top of my head. Bush will go down in history as the worst American president post WW2, easily.
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On April 20 2012 06:25 Golgotha wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 18:16 BlackJack wrote:
I think Romney will win but I think it's pretty irrelevant who wins. Their records are pretty similar so the edge goes to the white guy. ??? romney has no chance in this election year. even most top republicans know this and are waiting to pull out their big guns for the next race. obama wins this, guaranteed.
Sort of like Truman V Dewey, right? Nothing is for certain, clown.
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On April 20 2012 06:25 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2012 06:22 Hinanawi wrote:
Voted Obama in 2008, will not be voting in 2012. Well, I will go to vote on the California propositions and such, but I'll probably leave the President section blank, or write in my own name.
Philosophically I'm still closer to Obama than to Romney, but I can't in good conscience vote the 'lesser of two evils' when even the lesser of two evils still set the precedent of trial-less assassinations of US citizens, and continues to make America into Israel's dog, draining our resources and the lives of our soldiers over something that doesn't concern us.
Of course, Romney is just as bad or worse on most of those points, but again, I refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils when there's so much evil in both. I get this, but the problem is that this kind of attitude brought to the world stage George W Bush. People need to vote democrat.
lol and get another Clinton who repealed Glass-Steagall and ruined the economy. (We pretty much got Clinton with Obama anyway- his administration is all Clintonites).
If there are enough people, maybe more Independents like Bernie Sanders will be elected.
Or Jill Stein of the Green Party. I always wanted a president Ralph Nader, but alas...
On April 20 2012 06:32 smokeyhoodoo wrote:
The concept of having a president sickens me. The Swiss are so god damn lucky with their system they don't even know. Not going to vote, I hate them both. Both are war mongers, neither will balance the budget, both are liars, both support the patriot act, both are garbage who deserve to rot. But these things matter little as the position is inherently too powerful and no one should have it.
Agreed. A parliamentary system is much more fair and representative. The powers of the executive branch are constantly increasing, and that is a scary path we are headed down. Both parties have incentive to keep us in perpetual war in order to maintain those powers granted to the executive during war. I also always find it funny that those same people who decry socialism seem to have no problem electing those who would give us a right wing flavor of totalitarianism. That was a primary focus of Dick Cheyney's career, for example (increasing the powers of the executive).
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I've known about that site for years. I honestly don't think it's very accurate. Most everyone I know ends up in the bottom left quadrant. I've even gotten some conservative friends to take it, and the end up in the dead center. I just don't believe that politicians would actually score where that site puts them.
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On April 20 2012 06:01 Diomedes7 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2012 05:44 PepperoniPiZZa wrote:
Ron Paul is a batshit crazy creationist. Who in his right mind would want to be led by a man who's fucked up on such a trivial decision? I would. It doesn't matter if he believes in divine creation, the point is he wouldn't try to force people to believe what he does. That's his main running point end wars, getting out of debt and leaving people the hell alone.
Actually, it matters significantly. Ron Paul is much too smart and much too well read to know that Creationism is a farce. However, the fact that he is willing to pretend to believe in it in order to pander to the evangelical base shows that he is not a trustworthy politician.
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On April 20 2012 06:41 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2012 06:33 FairForever wrote:On April 20 2012 06:25 Sub40APM wrote:On April 20 2012 06:22 Hinanawi wrote:
Voted Obama in 2008, will not be voting in 2012. Well, I will go to vote on the California propositions and such, but I'll probably leave the President section blank, or write in my own name.
Philosophically I'm still closer to Obama than to Romney, but I can't in good conscience vote the 'lesser of two evils' when even the lesser of two evils still set the precedent of trial-less assassinations of US citizens, and continues to make America into Israel's dog, draining our resources and the lives of our soldiers over something that doesn't concern us.
Of course, Romney is just as bad or worse on most of those points, but again, I refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils when there's so much evil in both. I get this, but the problem is that this kind of attitude brought to the world stage George W Bush. People need to vote democrat. GWB wasn't that bad of a president, I hate it when people spout that bullshit. I think he did a bad job when it came to tax cuts (he should have been going the other way on taxes), but otherwise I don't think it was that bad. I think Obama has done better but both have been good presidents. spout that bullshit? Lets see dumb things that he did: 1) Invaded Iraq by making up lies, setting his lackeys on people who opposed the invasion because...there was no good reason for the invasion. 2) Two tax cuts that helped to accelerate the trend of income inequality, turned a budget surplus into a historic deficit 3) Cut back on financial regulation, setting up the crisis in 07 very nicely while pushing for a 'home ownership' society that pushed more and more people into buying homes. 4) extra judicial torture is a o k! 5) Tried to put his personally lackey on the Supreme Court, a move so egregious even his own party opposed it. 6) Sat on his hands while oil prices went from under 50 dollars a barrel to 168 [and hey why not, his friends in the oil industry appreciated the help!] 7) Sat on his hands while China de-industralized America, watched passively while a historic trade deficit widened further than ever 8) Encouraged Israel to engage in highly aggressive behavior that did nothing for America, well most of America, the defense contractors who got rich obviously appreciate that Israel used up its advanced munitions very rapidly so new orders could be filled 9) No child left behind act. Jerry rigged a system that encourages 0 actual educational improvement but promotes teaching a standardized test 10) Packed the Supreme Court with political justices that have no problem seeing corporations as people but think the healthcare mandate of all things is unconstitutional This is just off the top of my head. Bush will go down in history as the worst American president post WW2, easily.
1) That's an opinion
2) That's an opinion, although most economists agree
3) The bill that deregulated the housing industry was signed by Clinton
4) Obama still agrees, but it's again an opinion
5) That's an opinion, and a lot of people on both sides of the aisle not in the political world thought it was a good idea.
6) That's ridiculous - just like it's ridiculous that Obama gets blamed for high gas prices.
7) That's an opinion. Most economists agree that Free Trade is important. Significant import tariffs will just lead to retaliation from the other country.
8) That's an opinion. Some people (though not me) think that Palestine is the bad guy here.
9) Do you have a better idea?
10) That's an opinion - technically a corporation is a person as per the law. And the health care mandate being unconstitutional is pretty highly likely. Even as a moderate I agree that it probably oversteps the boundaries, although I like the idea of the law.
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As best I can tell everyone here hates religion so they will vote for Obama.
"ZOMG I don't hate religion, I just hate religious people trying to tell me how to live my life"
Fair enough, Republicans do unfortunately support way too many policies that interfer with people's private social lives.
But what makes Democrats magically better? They think they can tell you what to do with your wallet, which intrudes into ever other aspect of your life.
Thinking the government should take people's money from them and spend them on ridiculous programs is just as bad and hurtful as the religious nuts trying to tell people what to do too.
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On April 20 2012 07:08 Zaqwert wrote:
As best I can tell everyone here hates religion so they will vote for Obama.
"ZOMG I don't hate religion, I just hate religious people trying to tell me how to live my life"
Fair enough, Republicans do unfortunately support way too many policies that interfer with people's private social lives.
But what makes Democrats magically better? They think they can tell you what to do with your wallet, which intrudes into ever other aspect of your life.
Thinking the government should take people's money from them and spend them on ridiculous programs is just as bad and hurtful as the religious nuts trying to tell people what to do too.
You, sir, need to stop with the bashing of ideologies. This thread is not Republicans vs Democrats. It's Romney vs. Obama. Why don't you compare their stances instead of their party affiliations? Enough with the red herrings.
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On April 20 2012 06:59 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2012 06:41 Sub40APM wrote:On April 20 2012 06:33 FairForever wrote:On April 20 2012 06:25 Sub40APM wrote:On April 20 2012 06:22 Hinanawi wrote:
Voted Obama in 2008, will not be voting in 2012. Well, I will go to vote on the California propositions and such, but I'll probably leave the President section blank, or write in my own name.
Philosophically I'm still closer to Obama than to Romney, but I can't in good conscience vote the 'lesser of two evils' when even the lesser of two evils still set the precedent of trial-less assassinations of US citizens, and continues to make America into Israel's dog, draining our resources and the lives of our soldiers over something that doesn't concern us.
Of course, Romney is just as bad or worse on most of those points, but again, I refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils when there's so much evil in both. I get this, but the problem is that this kind of attitude brought to the world stage George W Bush. People need to vote democrat. GWB wasn't that bad of a president, I hate it when people spout that bullshit. I think he did a bad job when it came to tax cuts (he should have been going the other way on taxes), but otherwise I don't think it was that bad. I think Obama has done better but both have been good presidents. spout that bullshit? Lets see dumb things that he did: 1) Invaded Iraq by making up lies, setting his lackeys on people who opposed the invasion because...there was no good reason for the invasion. 2) Two tax cuts that helped to accelerate the trend of income inequality, turned a budget surplus into a historic deficit 3) Cut back on financial regulation, setting up the crisis in 07 very nicely while pushing for a 'home ownership' society that pushed more and more people into buying homes. 4) extra judicial torture is a o k! 5) Tried to put his personally lackey on the Supreme Court, a move so egregious even his own party opposed it. 6) Sat on his hands while oil prices went from under 50 dollars a barrel to 168 [and hey why not, his friends in the oil industry appreciated the help!] 7) Sat on his hands while China de-industralized America, watched passively while a historic trade deficit widened further than ever 8) Encouraged Israel to engage in highly aggressive behavior that did nothing for America, well most of America, the defense contractors who got rich obviously appreciate that Israel used up its advanced munitions very rapidly so new orders could be filled 9) No child left behind act. Jerry rigged a system that encourages 0 actual educational improvement but promotes teaching a standardized test 10) Packed the Supreme Court with political justices that have no problem seeing corporations as people but think the healthcare mandate of all things is unconstitutional This is just off the top of my head. Bush will go down in history as the worst American president post WW2, easily. 1) That's an opinion 2) That's an opinion, although most economists agree 3) The bill that deregulated the housing industry was signed by Clinton 4) Obama still agrees, but it's again an opinion 5) That's an opinion, and a lot of people on both sides of the aisle not in the political world thought it was a good idea. 6) That's ridiculous - just like it's ridiculous that Obama gets blamed for high gas prices. 7) That's an opinion. Most economists agree that Free Trade is important. Significant import tariffs will just lead to retaliation from the other country. 8) That's an opinion. Some people (though not me) think that Palestine is the bad guy here. 9) Do you have a better idea? 10) That's an opinion - technically a corporation is a person as per the law. And the health care mandate being unconstitutional is pretty highly likely. Even as a moderate I agree that it probably oversteps the boundaries, although I like the idea of the law.
11) Presided during the September 11 attack, despite having intelligence and forewarning of an imminent attack.
12) Bungled Hurricane Katrina.
13) Disbanded the operation to find and kill Osama Bin Laden.
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On April 20 2012 06:24 xXFireandIceXx wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2012 06:22 Hinanawi wrote:
Voted Obama in 2008, will not be voting in 2012. Well, I will go to vote on the California propositions and such, but I'll probably leave the President section blank, or write in my own name.
Philosophically I'm still closer to Obama than to Romney, but I can't in good conscience vote the 'lesser of two evils' when even the lesser of two evils still set the precedent of trial-less assassinations of US citizens, and continues to make America into Israel's dog, draining our resources and the lives of our soldiers over something that doesn't concern us.
Of course, Romney is just as bad or worse on most of those points, but again, I refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils when there's so much evil in both. If there are enough people, maybe more Independents like Bernie Sanders will be elected.
Being an independent myself, I can only hope.
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