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On November 07 2012 17:07 DannyJ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 17:01 Sub40APM wrote:
So Nate Silver has now predicted 2 elections in a row, on a state by state level correctly. Its too bad that punditocracy isnt going to be punished but I truly and genuinely hope he posts one of those "eat shit and die" tweets tomorrow and tags everyone who called him out.
Pretty sure he got Indiana wrong last time... close enough i guess.
Yeah he predicted 49/50 last election. Indiana was the state he got wrong, but the vote went the other way by 0.1%
I like that his model seems to be so accurate. Maybe people might start paying a little more attention to math and actual facts in political punditry. I can always dream right?
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Looking beyond the Presidential election there were a lot of firsts today. Concerning some of the more talked about state ballot measures:
Colorado Prop. 64 - Legalization of recreational marijuana use was passed as expected. First state to do so. Washington still has a similar initiative pending, I haven't read much as to the likelihood of it passing or not passing. As of right now Maine and Maryland have passed propositions to make same-sex marriage legal in those states. This is the first time legislation in favor of gay marriage has been passed as voted on by the people. Minnesota's same-sex marriage amendment narrowly lost, 46% to 53%, not surprising for a Midwestern state but it shows how close it is. Washington again has an initiative remaining as the ballots are being counted.
Wisconsin also elected not only the first woman senator in the history of the state, they elected the first openly gay senator in United States history, Tammy Baldwin. Pretty remarkable.
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I just woke up and all I can say is: Thank you voters in the USA!!
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On November 07 2012 17:20 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +MDRpolitics: Thats why you have one party rule in most third worls and european countries Man that page is brilliant.
earlier they were discussing how obama is going to end elections and declare himself dictator. lol. can't be real people. then again a lady at the grocery checkout line this morning told me if obama loses african americans are going to be rioting like they did in LA and I should prepare.
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Does he have the balls to close guantanamo?
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Canada11350 Posts
On November 07 2012 17:22 Supamang wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 17:07 DannyJ wrote:On November 07 2012 17:01 Sub40APM wrote:
So Nate Silver has now predicted 2 elections in a row, on a state by state level correctly. Its too bad that punditocracy isnt going to be punished but I truly and genuinely hope he posts one of those "eat shit and die" tweets tomorrow and tags everyone who called him out.
Pretty sure he got Indiana wrong last time... close enough i guess. Yeah he predicted 49/50 last election. Indiana was the state he got wrong, but the vote went the other way by 0.1% I like that his model seems to be so accurate. Maybe people might start paying a little more attention to math and actual facts in political punditry. I can always dream right?
Naw. They're hooked on twitter trends and internet memes. Gah. Some of the stuff that get's passed off as 'analysis' is appalling.
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On November 07 2012 17:26 nojok wrote:
Does he have the balls to close guantanamo?
That's really up to Congress lol. He tried.
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President Obama’s dramatic re-election victory was not a sign that a fractured nation had finally come together on Election Day. But it was a strong endorsement of economic policies that stress job growth, health care reform, tax increases and balanced deficit reduction — and of moderate policies on immigration, abortion and same-sex marriage. It was a repudiation of Reagan-era bromides about tax-cutting and trickle-down economics, and of the politics of fear, intolerance and disinformation. The president’s victory depended heavily on Midwestern Rust Belt states like Ohio, where the bailout of the auto industry — which Mr. Obama engineered and Mr. Romney opposed — proved widely popular for the simple reason that it worked. More broadly, Midwestern voters seemed to endorse the president’s argument that the government has a significant role in creating private-sector jobs and boosting the economy. They rejected Mr. Romney’s position that Washington should simply stay out of such matters and let the free market work its will. The Republicans’ last-ditch attempt to steal away Pennsylvania by stressing unemployment was a failure there and elsewhere. Voters who said unemployment was a major issue voted mainly for Mr. Obama. [...] Still, Mr. Obama’s victory did not show a united country. Richer Americans supported Mr. Romney, while poorer Americans tended to vote for Mr. Obama. [...] Mr. Romney’s strategy of blaming Mr. Obama for just about everything, while serenely assuring Americans he had a plan to cut the deficit without raising taxes or making major cuts in Medicare, simply did not work. A solid majority of voters said President George W. Bush was to blame for the state of the economy rather than Mr. Obama. And voters showed more subtlety in their economic analysis than Mr. Romney probably expected. Those who thought the housing market and unemployment were the nation’s biggest problems said they voted for Mr. Obama. Those most concerned about taxes voted heavily for Mr. Romney. Significantly, 60 percent of voters said taxes should be raised either on the rich or on everyone. Only 35 percent said they should not be raised at all; that group, naturally, went heavily for Mr. Romney. The polling made it clear that Americans were unhappy with the economic status quo, and substantial numbers of voters said the economy was getting worse. But Mr. Romney did not seem to persuade voters that the deficit was a crushing problem. Only 1 in 10 voters said the deficit was the most important issue facing the country. Republicans had to be disappointed in the results of their unrelenting assault on Mr. Obama’s health care reform law. Only around a quarter of Americans said it should be repealed in its entirety. Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/07/opinion/president-obamas-majority.html?ref=opinion
Yep, this election should be read as a convincing rejection of reckless Republican economic policy and a mandate for the Obama economic program.
Looks like Obama's going to win the popular vote with a majority too.
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On November 07 2012 17:27 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +President Obama’s dramatic re-election victory was not a sign that a fractured nation had finally come together on Election Day. But it was a strong endorsement of economic policies that stress job growth, health care reform, tax increases and balanced deficit reduction — and of moderate policies on immigration, abortion and same-sex marriage. It was a repudiation of Reagan-era bromides about tax-cutting and trickle-down economics, and of the politics of fear, intolerance and disinformation. The president’s victory depended heavily on Midwestern Rust Belt states like Ohio, where the bailout of the auto industry — which Mr. Obama engineered and Mr. Romney opposed — proved widely popular for the simple reason that it worked. More broadly, Midwestern voters seemed to endorse the president’s argument that the government has a significant role in creating private-sector jobs and boosting the economy. They rejected Mr. Romney’s position that Washington should simply stay out of such matters and let the free market work its will. The Republicans’ last-ditch attempt to steal away Pennsylvania by stressing unemployment was a failure there and elsewhere. Voters who said unemployment was a major issue voted mainly for Mr. Obama. [...] Still, Mr. Obama’s victory did not show a united country. Richer Americans supported Mr. Romney, while poorer Americans tended to vote for Mr. Obama. [...] Mr. Romney’s strategy of blaming Mr. Obama for just about everything, while serenely assuring Americans he had a plan to cut the deficit without raising taxes or making major cuts in Medicare, simply did not work. A solid majority of voters said President George W. Bush was to blame for the state of the economy rather than Mr. Obama. And voters showed more subtlety in their economic analysis than Mr. Romney probably expected. Those who thought the housing market and unemployment were the nation’s biggest problems said they voted for Mr. Obama. Those most concerned about taxes voted heavily for Mr. Romney. Significantly, 60 percent of voters said taxes should be raised either on the rich or on everyone. Only 35 percent said they should not be raised at all; that group, naturally, went heavily for Mr. Romney. The polling made it clear that Americans were unhappy with the economic status quo, and substantial numbers of voters said the economy was getting worse. But Mr. Romney did not seem to persuade voters that the deficit was a crushing problem. Only 1 in 10 voters said the deficit was the most important issue facing the country. Republicans had to be disappointed in the results of their unrelenting assault on Mr. Obama’s health care reform law. Only around a quarter of Americans said it should be repealed in its entirety. Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/07/opinion/president-obamas-majority.html?ref=opinion Yep, this election should be read as a convincing rejection of reckless Republican economic policy and a mandate for the Obama economic program.
Unfortunately, fucking Mitch McConnell seems to see things very differently. His response was appalling quite frankly; I hope his constituency wakes up and smells the bullshit some day, and I really hope he is as out of touch with the Republican Party as some would suggest.
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On November 07 2012 17:31 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 17:27 paralleluniverse wrote:President Obama’s dramatic re-election victory was not a sign that a fractured nation had finally come together on Election Day. But it was a strong endorsement of economic policies that stress job growth, health care reform, tax increases and balanced deficit reduction — and of moderate policies on immigration, abortion and same-sex marriage. It was a repudiation of Reagan-era bromides about tax-cutting and trickle-down economics, and of the politics of fear, intolerance and disinformation. The president’s victory depended heavily on Midwestern Rust Belt states like Ohio, where the bailout of the auto industry — which Mr. Obama engineered and Mr. Romney opposed — proved widely popular for the simple reason that it worked. More broadly, Midwestern voters seemed to endorse the president’s argument that the government has a significant role in creating private-sector jobs and boosting the economy. They rejected Mr. Romney’s position that Washington should simply stay out of such matters and let the free market work its will. The Republicans’ last-ditch attempt to steal away Pennsylvania by stressing unemployment was a failure there and elsewhere. Voters who said unemployment was a major issue voted mainly for Mr. Obama. [...] Still, Mr. Obama’s victory did not show a united country. Richer Americans supported Mr. Romney, while poorer Americans tended to vote for Mr. Obama. [...] Mr. Romney’s strategy of blaming Mr. Obama for just about everything, while serenely assuring Americans he had a plan to cut the deficit without raising taxes or making major cuts in Medicare, simply did not work. A solid majority of voters said President George W. Bush was to blame for the state of the economy rather than Mr. Obama. And voters showed more subtlety in their economic analysis than Mr. Romney probably expected. Those who thought the housing market and unemployment were the nation’s biggest problems said they voted for Mr. Obama. Those most concerned about taxes voted heavily for Mr. Romney. Significantly, 60 percent of voters said taxes should be raised either on the rich or on everyone. Only 35 percent said they should not be raised at all; that group, naturally, went heavily for Mr. Romney. The polling made it clear that Americans were unhappy with the economic status quo, and substantial numbers of voters said the economy was getting worse. But Mr. Romney did not seem to persuade voters that the deficit was a crushing problem. Only 1 in 10 voters said the deficit was the most important issue facing the country. Republicans had to be disappointed in the results of their unrelenting assault on Mr. Obama’s health care reform law. Only around a quarter of Americans said it should be repealed in its entirety. Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/07/opinion/president-obamas-majority.html?ref=opinionYep, this election should be read as a convincing rejection of reckless Republican economic policy and a mandate for the Obama economic program. Unfortunately, fucking Mitch McConnell seems to see things very differently. His response was appalling quite frankly; I hope his district wakes up and smells the bullshit some day. I really hope he is as out of touch with the Republican Party as some would suggest.
I would say that he knows he is in big trouble since hes coming up for re-election next cycle and if he joins with Obama on anything he will basically be primaried out byt he Tea Party (he still might anyway)
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On November 07 2012 17:16 Souma wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 17:14 Vindicare605 wrote:On November 07 2012 17:04 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On November 07 2012 16:44 Souma wrote:On November 07 2012 16:34 RJGooner wrote:On November 07 2012 16:23 Souma wrote:On November 07 2012 16:19 RJGooner wrote:On November 07 2012 16:17 Souma wrote:On November 07 2012 16:15 RJGooner wrote:Gratz to Obama and his supporters. I'm more worried about what's going on in my home state. Prop 30 is winning  Prop 30 ftw. Let's save the UC and community college system. Could have done that by cutting high-speed rail and saving the 375 million on the debt service per year. We already pay some of the highest taxes in the nation. Enough is enough. I hope this goes down. Are we still doing that high-speed rail thing? California is unique in that we border Mexico and have the highest population in the country. 'highest taxes in the nation' doesn't mean quite much. And tax revenue as a % of GDP is actually not the highest in the nation - it's middling. Prop 13 really screws our chances to create a sensible budget. We are still doing the high speed rail thing. It's costing us 375 million per year in debt service payments which could have been used to cover most or all of the UC's budget gap. Yet another example of the legislature wasting money. Tax rates do matter when you're competing for business with 49 other states. There's a reason why we're losing people and companies to other states. I'll agree with you on the high-speed rail thing. Airplanes are much more efficient and cheaper in California and a high-speed rail would not be able to compete if Japan is any indicator. But still, we have experienced tons of budget cuts from community colleges as well, not to mention our public schools are ranked almost last in funding in the nation. There's a lot of problems I agree, but with Prop. 13 looming in the background not much can be done. If people don't want property taxes to be raised, and if we need a super majority to pass a budget, only thing we can do is raise revenue from other tax sources through ballot initiatives. There's a ton of waste though. I'm not sure what we can do about that without Californians actually stampeding their way to Sacramento and demanding huge government reform. Yikes, what the heck is Cali spending all its money on? Prisons. Gotta love that three strikes law. It's looking like we're finally doing away with it. :D I really, really wanted 37 to pass... sigh.
Some of the propositions we pass or deny are a little ridiculous. We just voted to keep the death penalty sentence even though prisons are not allowed to execute them. Death Row is eventually going to be a whole new prison.
And prop 40, which has NO opposition (seriously, the "opposed" paragraph is a sentence saying "we no longer oppose this proposition"), only got 72%. 28% voted against it!
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I hope Fox News uploads a video compilation of their election coverage because I missed it.
Perhaps clips of their breakdown will appear on pundit shows.
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On November 07 2012 17:31 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 17:27 paralleluniverse wrote:President Obama’s dramatic re-election victory was not a sign that a fractured nation had finally come together on Election Day. But it was a strong endorsement of economic policies that stress job growth, health care reform, tax increases and balanced deficit reduction — and of moderate policies on immigration, abortion and same-sex marriage. It was a repudiation of Reagan-era bromides about tax-cutting and trickle-down economics, and of the politics of fear, intolerance and disinformation. The president’s victory depended heavily on Midwestern Rust Belt states like Ohio, where the bailout of the auto industry — which Mr. Obama engineered and Mr. Romney opposed — proved widely popular for the simple reason that it worked. More broadly, Midwestern voters seemed to endorse the president’s argument that the government has a significant role in creating private-sector jobs and boosting the economy. They rejected Mr. Romney’s position that Washington should simply stay out of such matters and let the free market work its will. The Republicans’ last-ditch attempt to steal away Pennsylvania by stressing unemployment was a failure there and elsewhere. Voters who said unemployment was a major issue voted mainly for Mr. Obama. [...] Still, Mr. Obama’s victory did not show a united country. Richer Americans supported Mr. Romney, while poorer Americans tended to vote for Mr. Obama. [...] Mr. Romney’s strategy of blaming Mr. Obama for just about everything, while serenely assuring Americans he had a plan to cut the deficit without raising taxes or making major cuts in Medicare, simply did not work. A solid majority of voters said President George W. Bush was to blame for the state of the economy rather than Mr. Obama. And voters showed more subtlety in their economic analysis than Mr. Romney probably expected. Those who thought the housing market and unemployment were the nation’s biggest problems said they voted for Mr. Obama. Those most concerned about taxes voted heavily for Mr. Romney. Significantly, 60 percent of voters said taxes should be raised either on the rich or on everyone. Only 35 percent said they should not be raised at all; that group, naturally, went heavily for Mr. Romney. The polling made it clear that Americans were unhappy with the economic status quo, and substantial numbers of voters said the economy was getting worse. But Mr. Romney did not seem to persuade voters that the deficit was a crushing problem. Only 1 in 10 voters said the deficit was the most important issue facing the country. Republicans had to be disappointed in the results of their unrelenting assault on Mr. Obama’s health care reform law. Only around a quarter of Americans said it should be repealed in its entirety. Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/07/opinion/president-obamas-majority.html?ref=opinionYep, this election should be read as a convincing rejection of reckless Republican economic policy and a mandate for the Obama economic program. Unfortunately, fucking Mitch McConnell seems to see things very differently. His response was appalling quite frankly; I hope his constituency wakes up and smells the bullshit some day, and I really hope he is as out of touch with the Republican Party as some would suggest.
What did he say?
His number 1 priority is to make Obama's 2nd term hell?
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Maybe the Republicans could clue in by calling it universal health care instead of Obamacare. I'm pretty sure they're the only ones that subscribe to that silly label.
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Can we survive the debt and weakening of our country for the sake of the lazy for the nest four years? *crosses fingers*
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GOP needs to get with the times and start catering to minority communities if they want to win the next election. They pretty much only attempt to appeal to whites, and with America getting more and more kaleidoscopic with each passing year, it might be better for them to start looking elsewhere for votes.
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On November 07 2012 17:33 urashimakt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 17:16 Souma wrote:On November 07 2012 17:14 Vindicare605 wrote:On November 07 2012 17:04 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On November 07 2012 16:44 Souma wrote:On November 07 2012 16:34 RJGooner wrote:On November 07 2012 16:23 Souma wrote:On November 07 2012 16:19 RJGooner wrote:On November 07 2012 16:17 Souma wrote:On November 07 2012 16:15 RJGooner wrote:Gratz to Obama and his supporters. I'm more worried about what's going on in my home state. Prop 30 is winning Prop 30 ftw. Let's save the UC and community college system. Could have done that by cutting high-speed rail and saving the 375 million on the debt service per year. We already pay some of the highest taxes in the nation. Enough is enough. I hope this goes down. Are we still doing that high-speed rail thing? California is unique in that we border Mexico and have the highest population in the country. 'highest taxes in the nation' doesn't mean quite much. And tax revenue as a % of GDP is actually not the highest in the nation - it's middling. Prop 13 really screws our chances to create a sensible budget. We are still doing the high speed rail thing. It's costing us 375 million per year in debt service payments which could have been used to cover most or all of the UC's budget gap. Yet another example of the legislature wasting money. Tax rates do matter when you're competing for business with 49 other states. There's a reason why we're losing people and companies to other states. I'll agree with you on the high-speed rail thing. Airplanes are much more efficient and cheaper in California and a high-speed rail would not be able to compete if Japan is any indicator. But still, we have experienced tons of budget cuts from community colleges as well, not to mention our public schools are ranked almost last in funding in the nation. There's a lot of problems I agree, but with Prop. 13 looming in the background not much can be done. If people don't want property taxes to be raised, and if we need a super majority to pass a budget, only thing we can do is raise revenue from other tax sources through ballot initiatives. There's a ton of waste though. I'm not sure what we can do about that without Californians actually stampeding their way to Sacramento and demanding huge government reform. Yikes, what the heck is Cali spending all its money on? Prisons. Gotta love that three strikes law. It's looking like we're finally doing away with it. :D I really, really wanted 37 to pass... sigh. Some of the propositions we pass or deny are a little ridiculous. We just voted to keep the death penalty sentence even though prisons are not allowed to execute them. Death Row is eventually going to be a whole new prison.
Yeah, our ballot system is one of the things that needs reform. Not only do we vote on stupid propositions, we often vote multiple times on similar ballots because they get reintroduced after they are denied. Massive waste of money.
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On November 07 2012 17:20 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +MDRpolitics: Thats why you have one party rule in most third worls and european countries Man that page is brilliant.
I love the Chat there... Just read it for like 3 minutes. The shown stupidity already made my day :D
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On November 07 2012 17:33 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 17:31 farvacola wrote:On November 07 2012 17:27 paralleluniverse wrote:President Obama’s dramatic re-election victory was not a sign that a fractured nation had finally come together on Election Day. But it was a strong endorsement of economic policies that stress job growth, health care reform, tax increases and balanced deficit reduction — and of moderate policies on immigration, abortion and same-sex marriage. It was a repudiation of Reagan-era bromides about tax-cutting and trickle-down economics, and of the politics of fear, intolerance and disinformation. The president’s victory depended heavily on Midwestern Rust Belt states like Ohio, where the bailout of the auto industry — which Mr. Obama engineered and Mr. Romney opposed — proved widely popular for the simple reason that it worked. More broadly, Midwestern voters seemed to endorse the president’s argument that the government has a significant role in creating private-sector jobs and boosting the economy. They rejected Mr. Romney’s position that Washington should simply stay out of such matters and let the free market work its will. The Republicans’ last-ditch attempt to steal away Pennsylvania by stressing unemployment was a failure there and elsewhere. Voters who said unemployment was a major issue voted mainly for Mr. Obama. [...] Still, Mr. Obama’s victory did not show a united country. Richer Americans supported Mr. Romney, while poorer Americans tended to vote for Mr. Obama. [...] Mr. Romney’s strategy of blaming Mr. Obama for just about everything, while serenely assuring Americans he had a plan to cut the deficit without raising taxes or making major cuts in Medicare, simply did not work. A solid majority of voters said President George W. Bush was to blame for the state of the economy rather than Mr. Obama. And voters showed more subtlety in their economic analysis than Mr. Romney probably expected. Those who thought the housing market and unemployment were the nation’s biggest problems said they voted for Mr. Obama. Those most concerned about taxes voted heavily for Mr. Romney. Significantly, 60 percent of voters said taxes should be raised either on the rich or on everyone. Only 35 percent said they should not be raised at all; that group, naturally, went heavily for Mr. Romney. The polling made it clear that Americans were unhappy with the economic status quo, and substantial numbers of voters said the economy was getting worse. But Mr. Romney did not seem to persuade voters that the deficit was a crushing problem. Only 1 in 10 voters said the deficit was the most important issue facing the country. Republicans had to be disappointed in the results of their unrelenting assault on Mr. Obama’s health care reform law. Only around a quarter of Americans said it should be repealed in its entirety. Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/07/opinion/president-obamas-majority.html?ref=opinionYep, this election should be read as a convincing rejection of reckless Republican economic policy and a mandate for the Obama economic program. Unfortunately, fucking Mitch McConnell seems to see things very differently. His response was appalling quite frankly; I hope his constituency wakes up and smells the bullshit some day, and I really hope he is as out of touch with the Republican Party as some would suggest. What did he say? His number 1 priority is to make Obama's 2nd term hell?
I'm having trouble finding it online as it looks to not have been published yet in an accessible way, but the gist of it was that he and the Republicans see these election results as an extension of the promises given in '08 and not a showing of support for Obama's economic platform, which is utter bullshit. He goes on to mention the fact that the Republicans still control the house, accordingly interpreting this as a public go ahead to continue "pushing for their agenda", while conveniently forgetting to mention Republican defeats in this cycles Senate races (which is odd, considering McConnell is a senator lol) In other words, he's a piece of shit. Luckily, other republicans, at least according to MSNBC, are not issuing the same kind of statements, so we'll see where the party flag lies in the next few days I think.
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Whelp, it was fun staying up watching the election. Best part was reading Trumps twitter and laughing at him.
Great job america.
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