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splcer
United States166 Posts
On November 07 2012 16:30 Korlin wrote: Anyone moving to Canada because of this election doesn't really understand Canada, I think. Lol exactly, most of them prolly don't know anything about Canada's policies. I would think that if Romney won then the obama's supporters would move to Canada | ||
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ey215
United States546 Posts
On November 07 2012 16:25 igotmyown wrote: I'm not trying to start an argument, but Time magazine had an article earlier this year about how some Republicans in 2008 thought they might have to start compromising. But then some leaders took over and decided it would be better to stonewall and oppose everything, and hope things went downhill. Pour fuel on the fire, not too different from how Democrats felt about George W Bush's second term, although I feel they did shift a lot more to the right policy wise. If that's what Republican strategists have really been doing, then it has and will be impossible to compromise and reach across the aisle. And it would be incredibly manipulative to pull that off and then accuse your opponent of a lack of bipartisanship. There's blame to go around on both sides, Rahm Emanuel's, "We have the votes, fuck 'em.", etc. I think it's been pretty well documented as well that he President just doesn't like politicking as much as other more successful President's did (Clinton comes to mind) and didn't really take time in his first two terms to try to build a relationship with the leaders of the GOP in congress. That he didn't have those relationships built hurt him when it came time to negotiate after the midterms. I am not blaming only the President. There needs to be movement both ways. However, if compromise and working together to the Democrats means "You come to us, and you give up on your core principles and we don't" then not much will get done. I hope that the GOP will move on revenues (probably sold through tax reform) and the Democrats will move on entitlements but it's going to take leadership from the President. | ||
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acker
United States2958 Posts
On November 07 2012 16:32 TwoToneTerran wrote: @toddkincannon posted: It amazes me that Jews support Barack Obama. That'd be like if Southerners voted for Abraham Lincoln. Failure to recognize the enemy. Conservative nutjobs are the best. There are two nations on this planet that, when polled, prefer a Romney administration to an Obama one. One is Pakistan, by a 1% margin. The other is Israel...and by a 3:1 margin to boot. | ||
Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
On November 07 2012 16:34 RJGooner wrote: We are still doing the high speed rail thing. It's costing us 375 million per year in debt service payments which could have been used to cover most or all of the UC's budget gap. Yet another example of the legislature wasting money. Tax rates do matter when you're competing for business with 49 other states. There's a reason why we're losing people and companies to other states. I'll agree with you on the high-speed rail thing. Airplanes are much more efficient and cheaper in California and a high-speed rail would not be able to compete if Japan is any indicator. But still, we have experienced tons of budget cuts from community colleges as well, not to mention our public schools are ranked almost last in funding in the nation. There's a lot of problems I agree, but with Prop. 13 looming in the background not much can be done. If people don't want property taxes to be raised, and if we need a super majority to pass a budget, only thing we can do is raise revenue from other tax sources through ballot initiatives. There's a ton of waste though. I'm not sure what we can do about that without Californians actually stampeding their way to Sacramento and demanding huge government reform. | ||
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Skullflower
United States3779 Posts
On November 07 2012 16:39 Lmui wrote: Come to Vancouver =). We have 18 hours of sunshine for a bit in the summer and 9 months of non-stop rain/snow/slush. You'd love it here. Hmm, that sounds better than the weather down here in California. Why on Earth has it almost hit 100° in November? WHY? | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On November 07 2012 16:43 acker wrote: There are two nations on this planet that, when polled, prefer a Romney administration to an Obama one. One is Pakistan, by a 1% margin. The other is Israel...and by a 3:1 margin to boot. That's kind of funny but irrelevant to the lunacy that I was mocking, tho. | ||
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Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
On November 07 2012 16:40 Bombadil819 wrote: As a 3rd party supporter, I'm proud that Gary Johnson made 1% nationwide, that neither Romney nor Obama achieved a popular majority. And as a long time (5 or 6 years+) Ron Paul supporter, I'm glad that Gary Johnson's polling was large enough to be felt sharply by the RNC in Ohio, Virginia, and Florida - last I looked, he was above the margin of victory, but this may have changed as the last results came in. Grats to Gary Johnson. As much as I do not agree with libertarianism, he deserves all those votes and much more. | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On November 07 2012 16:43 ey215 wrote: There's blame to go around on both sides, Rahm Emanuel's, "We have the votes, fuck 'em.", etc. I think it's been pretty well documented as well that he President just doesn't like politicking as much as other more successful President's did (Clinton comes to mind) and didn't really take time in his first two terms to try to build a relationship with the leaders of the GOP in congress. That he didn't have those relationships built hurt him when it came time to negotiate after the midterms. I am not blaming only the President. There needs to be movement both ways. However, if compromise and working together to the Democrats means "You come to us, and you give up on your core principles and we don't" then not much will get done. I hope that the GOP will move on revenues (probably sold through tax reform) and the Democrats will move on entitlements but it's going to take leadership from the President. Really? REALLY? What kind of bullshit have you been watching, reading, and/or listening to that you ACTUALLY believe this? Time and time again, the President has gone to the table saying he's willing to offer things, like entitlement reforms, in return for some measure of revenue increases. It's completely stupid and false to claim Obama or the Democrats as a whole haven't tried to work with the Republicans. We had Democratic congressmen protest the healthcare reform law because no Republican would join in, that's the party of the left. | ||
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Bombadil819
United States45 Posts
On November 07 2012 16:46 Souma wrote: Grats to Gary Johnson. As much as I do not agree with libertarianism, he deserves all those votes and much more. Don't know where you fall on the political spectrum, but Jill Stein topped him out for 3rd place in Maine. Both of them were around 1.5% in Maine last I looked, which makes sense given how poorly Maine's delegation to the RNC was treated. [edit] Also, not to get tooo offtopic, but I think a lot of people who do not agree with libertarianism don't realize a) that our primary philosophical tenet is non-aggression. b) the number of Nobel prize winning economists on our side. c) how successful it's been in the real world (see Gary Johnson's time as governor) d) that we aren't Ayn Rand worshippers, and most of us are not on board with her essentially social darwinist views that irrational or primitive people didn't deserve rights. | ||
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Sanctimonius
United Kingdom861 Posts
On November 07 2012 16:45 Skullflower wrote: Hmm, that sounds better than the weather down here in California. Why on Earth has it almost hit 100° in November? WHY? Ah, I miss the UK. Sounds so similar to Vancouver weather, and BC reminded me of the Scottish coast. Can fellow Commonwealthers immigrate? | ||
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Deathmanbob
United States2356 Posts
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Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
On November 07 2012 16:52 Bombadil819 wrote: Don't know where you fall on the political spectrum, but Jill Stein topped him out for 3rd place in Maine. Both of them were around 1.5% in Maine last I looked, which makes sense given how poorly Maine's delegation to the RNC was treated. Yeah I voted for Jill Stein. Hope she receives 1% nationally. Also, not to get tooo offtopic, but I think a lot of people who do not agree with libertarianism don't realize a) that our primary philosophical tenet is non-aggression. b) the number of Nobel prize winning economists on our side. c) how successful it's been in the real world (see Gary Johnson's time as governor) d) that we aren't Ayn Rand worshippers, and most of us are not on board with her essentially social darwinist views that irrational or primitive people didn't deserve rights. Oh, trust me, we realize. =) We've had the conversation many times in this thread. | ||
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Windd
United States161 Posts
On November 07 2012 16:52 Bombadil819 wrote: Don't know where you fall on the political spectrum, but Jill Stein topped him out for 3rd place in Maine. Both of them were around 1.5% in Maine last I looked, which makes sense given how poorly Maine's delegation to the RNC was treated. According to AP Johnson is doing better now, at ~2%. Maine is don't pretty awesome with their third party voting though. As for the Romney+Johnson votes. The vote percentages how changed for the other contests too. looking at the current state adding Johnson's to Romney's wouldn't change most of the close states with these later totals. However, one could imagine a closer race where those votes would have mattered. I hope those votes and Ron Paul's supporters put some pressure on the Republicans. | ||
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NPF
Canada1635 Posts
On November 07 2012 16:54 Sanctimonius wrote: Ah, I miss the UK. Sounds so similar to Vancouver weather, and BC reminded me of the Scottish coast. Can fellow Commonwealthers immigrate? I think any Commonwealth citizen gets 2 year traveller/working visa no problem if I remember my sister correctly. You just need a few thousand dollars in a bank account (for Australia at least) Could a proposition of maybe raising taxes for people making over 1 million dollars pass easier in the USA, but I don't know how much it would lower the debt. And Obama could always take Romney stance and cut some loop holes in 1 seperate bill. It would be hard for Rupublicans to say no when it was proposed by their own candidate. | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
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JonnyBNoHo
United States6277 Posts
On November 07 2012 16:44 Souma wrote: I'll agree with you on the high-speed rail thing. Airplanes are much more efficient and cheaper in California and a high-speed rail would not be able to compete if Japan is any indicator. But still, we have experienced tons of budget cuts from community colleges as well, not to mention our public schools are ranked almost last in funding in the nation. There's a lot of problems I agree, but with Prop. 13 looming in the background not much can be done. If people don't want property taxes to be raised, and if we need a super majority to pass a budget, only thing we can do is raise revenue from other tax sources through ballot initiatives. There's a ton of waste though. I'm not sure what we can do about that without Californians actually stampeding their way to Sacramento and demanding huge government reform. Yikes, what the heck is Cali spending all its money on? | ||
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mcmartini
Australia1972 Posts
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See.Blue
United States2673 Posts
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urashimakt
United States1591 Posts
On November 07 2012 17:04 JonnyBNoHo wrote: Yikes, what the heck is Cali spending all its money on? We spend it on polo shirts and True American accents. | ||
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Skullflower
United States3779 Posts
On November 07 2012 17:06 urashimakt wrote: We spend it on polo shirts and True American accents. And marijuana | ||
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