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On November 07 2012 17:04 mcmartini wrote:
I see a number of Americans on facebook, twitter saying they're coming to Australia while bitching about socialism. Australia has new start (the dole, money to the unemployed), student loans through the government (HECS) and medicare. I am just so confused.
Yeah, I'm not exactly sure where disappointed right-wingers can threaten to emigrate without sounding foolish. Most countries whose politics I even vaguely know about are to the left of the United States.
EDIT: Not that I'm very knowledgeable about foreign politics, so forgive my ignorance if there are a lot of such countries.
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On November 07 2012 17:01 Sub40APM wrote:
So Nate Silver has now predicted 2 elections in a row, on a state by state level correctly. Its too bad that punditocracy isnt going to be punished but I truly and genuinely hope he posts one of those "eat shit and die" tweets tomorrow and tags everyone who called him out.
Pretty sure he got Indiana wrong last time... close enough i guess.
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On November 07 2012 17:04 mcmartini wrote:
I see a number of Americans on facebook, twitter saying they're coming to Australia while bitching about socialism. Australia has new start (the dole, money to the unemployed), student loans through the government (HECS) and medicare. I am just so confused.
The snarks about moving away are quite hilarious considering there is no place on Earth where their ideals are upheld to a greater (or even the nearly the same) extent than where they live now. -_-
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Is there even a first world country that's right of the United States?
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On November 07 2012 17:07 Fanatic-Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 17:04 mcmartini wrote:
I see a number of Americans on facebook, twitter saying they're coming to Australia while bitching about socialism. Australia has new start (the dole, money to the unemployed), student loans through the government (HECS) and medicare. I am just so confused. Yeah, I'm not exactly sure where disappointed right-wingers can threaten to emigrate without sounding foolish. Most countries whose politics I even vaguely know about are to the left of the United States.
On November 07 2012 17:08 acker wrote:
Is there even a first world country that's right of the United States?
Hungary might suit.
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Nice to wake up and see this. I know americans hate the european superiority complex, but it"'s hard not to be interested in the election of the most important person in the world 
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On November 07 2012 17:07 Fanatic-Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 17:04 mcmartini wrote:
I see a number of Americans on facebook, twitter saying they're coming to Australia while bitching about socialism. Australia has new start (the dole, money to the unemployed), student loans through the government (HECS) and medicare. I am just so confused. Yeah, I'm not exactly sure where disappointed right-wingers can threaten to emigrate without sounding foolish. Most countries whose politics I even vaguely know about are to the left of the United States. EDIT: Not that I'm very knowledgeable about foreign politics, so forgive my ignorance if there are a lot of such countries.
Not too bright. After all, they are upset Obama won over that 2012 Republican guy ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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On November 07 2012 17:06 urashimakt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 17:04 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On November 07 2012 16:44 Souma wrote:On November 07 2012 16:34 RJGooner wrote:On November 07 2012 16:23 Souma wrote:On November 07 2012 16:19 RJGooner wrote:On November 07 2012 16:17 Souma wrote:On November 07 2012 16:15 RJGooner wrote:Gratz to Obama and his supporters. I'm more worried about what's going on in my home state. Prop 30 is winning  Prop 30 ftw. Let's save the UC and community college system. Could have done that by cutting high-speed rail and saving the 375 million on the debt service per year. We already pay some of the highest taxes in the nation. Enough is enough. I hope this goes down. Are we still doing that high-speed rail thing? California is unique in that we border Mexico and have the highest population in the country. 'highest taxes in the nation' doesn't mean quite much. And tax revenue as a % of GDP is actually not the highest in the nation - it's middling. Prop 13 really screws our chances to create a sensible budget. We are still doing the high speed rail thing. It's costing us 375 million per year in debt service payments which could have been used to cover most or all of the UC's budget gap. Yet another example of the legislature wasting money. Tax rates do matter when you're competing for business with 49 other states. There's a reason why we're losing people and companies to other states. I'll agree with you on the high-speed rail thing. Airplanes are much more efficient and cheaper in California and a high-speed rail would not be able to compete if Japan is any indicator. But still, we have experienced tons of budget cuts from community colleges as well, not to mention our public schools are ranked almost last in funding in the nation. There's a lot of problems I agree, but with Prop. 13 looming in the background not much can be done. If people don't want property taxes to be raised, and if we need a super majority to pass a budget, only thing we can do is raise revenue from other tax sources through ballot initiatives. There's a ton of waste though. I'm not sure what we can do about that without Californians actually stampeding their way to Sacramento and demanding huge government reform. Yikes, what the heck is Cali spending all its money on? We spend it on polo shirts and True American accents.
Seems like a waste. Where I live we harvest snappy accents locally and at a considerable discount.
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2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
On November 07 2012 17:04 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 16:44 Souma wrote:On November 07 2012 16:34 RJGooner wrote:On November 07 2012 16:23 Souma wrote:On November 07 2012 16:19 RJGooner wrote:On November 07 2012 16:17 Souma wrote:On November 07 2012 16:15 RJGooner wrote:Gratz to Obama and his supporters. I'm more worried about what's going on in my home state. Prop 30 is winning Prop 30 ftw. Let's save the UC and community college system. Could have done that by cutting high-speed rail and saving the 375 million on the debt service per year. We already pay some of the highest taxes in the nation. Enough is enough. I hope this goes down. Are we still doing that high-speed rail thing? California is unique in that we border Mexico and have the highest population in the country. 'highest taxes in the nation' doesn't mean quite much. And tax revenue as a % of GDP is actually not the highest in the nation - it's middling. Prop 13 really screws our chances to create a sensible budget. We are still doing the high speed rail thing. It's costing us 375 million per year in debt service payments which could have been used to cover most or all of the UC's budget gap. Yet another example of the legislature wasting money. Tax rates do matter when you're competing for business with 49 other states. There's a reason why we're losing people and companies to other states. I'll agree with you on the high-speed rail thing. Airplanes are much more efficient and cheaper in California and a high-speed rail would not be able to compete if Japan is any indicator. But still, we have experienced tons of budget cuts from community colleges as well, not to mention our public schools are ranked almost last in funding in the nation. There's a lot of problems I agree, but with Prop. 13 looming in the background not much can be done. If people don't want property taxes to be raised, and if we need a super majority to pass a budget, only thing we can do is raise revenue from other tax sources through ballot initiatives. There's a ton of waste though. I'm not sure what we can do about that without Californians actually stampeding their way to Sacramento and demanding huge government reform. Yikes, what the heck is Cali spending all its money on?
Pensions and lots of waste all around it seems (and a giant debt to pay off). Keep in mind Democrats in California are very-much-so in the pockets of corporations like Monsanto and the like too. Doesn't matter who we turn to, either way we're screwed.
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On November 07 2012 17:04 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 16:44 Souma wrote:On November 07 2012 16:34 RJGooner wrote:On November 07 2012 16:23 Souma wrote:On November 07 2012 16:19 RJGooner wrote:On November 07 2012 16:17 Souma wrote:On November 07 2012 16:15 RJGooner wrote:Gratz to Obama and his supporters. I'm more worried about what's going on in my home state. Prop 30 is winning Prop 30 ftw. Let's save the UC and community college system. Could have done that by cutting high-speed rail and saving the 375 million on the debt service per year. We already pay some of the highest taxes in the nation. Enough is enough. I hope this goes down. Are we still doing that high-speed rail thing? California is unique in that we border Mexico and have the highest population in the country. 'highest taxes in the nation' doesn't mean quite much. And tax revenue as a % of GDP is actually not the highest in the nation - it's middling. Prop 13 really screws our chances to create a sensible budget. We are still doing the high speed rail thing. It's costing us 375 million per year in debt service payments which could have been used to cover most or all of the UC's budget gap. Yet another example of the legislature wasting money. Tax rates do matter when you're competing for business with 49 other states. There's a reason why we're losing people and companies to other states. I'll agree with you on the high-speed rail thing. Airplanes are much more efficient and cheaper in California and a high-speed rail would not be able to compete if Japan is any indicator. But still, we have experienced tons of budget cuts from community colleges as well, not to mention our public schools are ranked almost last in funding in the nation. There's a lot of problems I agree, but with Prop. 13 looming in the background not much can be done. If people don't want property taxes to be raised, and if we need a super majority to pass a budget, only thing we can do is raise revenue from other tax sources through ballot initiatives. There's a ton of waste though. I'm not sure what we can do about that without Californians actually stampeding their way to Sacramento and demanding huge government reform. Yikes, what the heck is Cali spending all its money on?
Prisons.
Gotta love that three strikes law.
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Congrats to you americans, man was I happy to wake up and read this. And Tammy Baldwin? Fuck yeah!!
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On November 07 2012 17:08 acker wrote:
Is there even a first world country that's right of the United States?
Depends, do you mean economic right or social issues right?
Seriously, we need to come up with better terms than left and right
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2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
On November 07 2012 17:14 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 17:04 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On November 07 2012 16:44 Souma wrote:On November 07 2012 16:34 RJGooner wrote:On November 07 2012 16:23 Souma wrote:On November 07 2012 16:19 RJGooner wrote:On November 07 2012 16:17 Souma wrote:On November 07 2012 16:15 RJGooner wrote:Gratz to Obama and his supporters. I'm more worried about what's going on in my home state. Prop 30 is winning Prop 30 ftw. Let's save the UC and community college system. Could have done that by cutting high-speed rail and saving the 375 million on the debt service per year. We already pay some of the highest taxes in the nation. Enough is enough. I hope this goes down. Are we still doing that high-speed rail thing? California is unique in that we border Mexico and have the highest population in the country. 'highest taxes in the nation' doesn't mean quite much. And tax revenue as a % of GDP is actually not the highest in the nation - it's middling. Prop 13 really screws our chances to create a sensible budget. We are still doing the high speed rail thing. It's costing us 375 million per year in debt service payments which could have been used to cover most or all of the UC's budget gap. Yet another example of the legislature wasting money. Tax rates do matter when you're competing for business with 49 other states. There's a reason why we're losing people and companies to other states. I'll agree with you on the high-speed rail thing. Airplanes are much more efficient and cheaper in California and a high-speed rail would not be able to compete if Japan is any indicator. But still, we have experienced tons of budget cuts from community colleges as well, not to mention our public schools are ranked almost last in funding in the nation. There's a lot of problems I agree, but with Prop. 13 looming in the background not much can be done. If people don't want property taxes to be raised, and if we need a super majority to pass a budget, only thing we can do is raise revenue from other tax sources through ballot initiatives. There's a ton of waste though. I'm not sure what we can do about that without Californians actually stampeding their way to Sacramento and demanding huge government reform. Yikes, what the heck is Cali spending all its money on? Prisons. Gotta love that three strikes law.
It's looking like we're finally doing away with it. :D
I really, really wanted 37 to pass... sigh.
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They are real. I meet them regularly whenever I visit a red county. America is your portal to Bizzaro-world.
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On November 07 2012 17:04 mcmartini wrote:
I see a number of Americans on facebook, twitter saying they're coming to Australia while bitching about socialism. Australia has new start (the dole, money to the unemployed), student loans through the government (HECS) and medicare. I am just so confused.
The US is pretty comparable to Australia on social programs. So if someone in the US was to fear an encroachment of the state, Australia would be a relative safe haven.
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Anyone remember this?
Dick Morris: “We’re going to win by a landslide. It will be the biggest surprise in recent American political history. It will rekindle a whole question as to why the media played this race as a nail-biter, where in fact I think that Romney is going to win by quite a bit. My own view is that Romney is going to carry 325 electoral votes.”
http://video.foxnews.com/v/1947655634001/behind-dick-morris-big-romney-victory-prediction
I hope nobody ever takes this guy seriously again.
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MDRpolitics: Thats why you have one party rule in most third worls and european countries
Man that page is brilliant.
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On November 07 2012 17:19 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 17:04 mcmartini wrote:
I see a number of Americans on facebook, twitter saying they're coming to Australia while bitching about socialism. Australia has new start (the dole, money to the unemployed), student loans through the government (HECS) and medicare. I am just so confused. The US is pretty comparable to Australia on social programs. So if someone in the US was to fear an encroachment of the state, Australia would be a relative safe haven.
Not really. Australia has a public health system, so I don't think tea partiers would be very comfortable there.
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On November 07 2012 17:19 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 17:04 mcmartini wrote:
I see a number of Americans on facebook, twitter saying they're coming to Australia while bitching about socialism. Australia has new start (the dole, money to the unemployed), student loans through the government (HECS) and medicare. I am just so confused. The US is pretty comparable to Australia on social programs. So if someone in the US was to fear an encroachment of the state, Australia would be a relative safe haven.
Wtf..no it's not. Australia is definitely left of the US when it comes to 'social programs'.
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