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On November 07 2012 16:10 Adreme wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 16:09 Hrrrrm wrote:On November 07 2012 16:06 Adreme wrote:On November 07 2012 16:04 Hrrrrm wrote:
Obama hit it out of the park. Now Democrats need to get out again in 2014 and win more house seats. Im sure the tea party will cost them 2-3 seats again which will set up a landslide in senate in 2016. Tea party is dead after this. No one takes them seriously anymore. Democrats show up they win. Obama is going to try to pass immigration reform in his 2nd term. It'll be great to see Republicans fighting him on that. Keep losing that Hispanic vote. You can say they are dead but they are still a majority in the primaries and thats all that matters. It is the sole reason that doing immigration reform will be so hard. Not to mention they will make argument that the only reason they lost is because Romney isnt a "real" conservative and might move further to the right.
This is the interesting question now.
Does the GOP reevaluate its platform or does it move even further right? They either have to modernize or they're handing the next election to the dems too.
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Here's hoping we can all remember that while this election was a slight victory for Obama, same-sex marriage, pot legalization, and Puerto Ricans, it was far more of a victory for Thomas Bayes.
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2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
On November 07 2012 16:15 RJGooner wrote:Gratz to Obama and his supporters. I'm more worried about what's going on in my home state. Prop 30 is winning 
Prop 30 ftw. Let's save the UC and community college system.
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It is still looking like Michelle Bachmann is bound for another term in the house.
When that is said: Congratulations USA, I think it was the better choice.!
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On November 07 2012 16:10 Adreme wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 16:09 Hrrrrm wrote:On November 07 2012 16:06 Adreme wrote:On November 07 2012 16:04 Hrrrrm wrote:
Obama hit it out of the park. Now Democrats need to get out again in 2014 and win more house seats. Im sure the tea party will cost them 2-3 seats again which will set up a landslide in senate in 2016. Tea party is dead after this. No one takes them seriously anymore. Democrats show up they win. Obama is going to try to pass immigration reform in his 2nd term. It'll be great to see Republicans fighting him on that. Keep losing that Hispanic vote. You can say they are dead but they are still a majority in the primaries and thats all that matters. It is the sole reason that doing immigration reform will be so hard. Not to mention they will make argument that the only reason they lost is because Romney isnt a "real" conservative and might move further to the right.
That is something I`m very conserned.
They need to get their nomination better, and sure put the start of presidential campaigns somewhere away from deeply white states, Florida would do great as a start of the caucuses, instead of IOWA, IMO.
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On November 07 2012 16:11 ey215 wrote:
Alright, heading to bed.
To the Democrats and Liberals around here congratulations on having the President win re-election. Hopefully this time he's serious about getting input and working with the other side to actually get the problems in our country fixed. I didn't vote for him either time but four years ago I hoped he was successful and tonight I hope he is as well.
Here's to also hoping that the GOP listens to some of us and moves into governing more than campaigning. This doesn't mean I want us to give up our core values of smaller and more efficient government and personal liberties but it's time to give a little to get a little and to recognize that personal liberties shouldn't mean that you get to impose your morals on other people.
Thanks to all for a fun night. I said it at the beginning and I'll say it now, I <3 election night!
You realize this is the inverse of how it works, right?
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On November 07 2012 16:13 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Man, I hope Obama does his best to stop listening to republicans. He spent his last 4 years wasting time with that. All out socialism and landslide social reform go go go
socialism FTW
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On November 07 2012 16:17 Souma wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 16:15 RJGooner wrote:Gratz to Obama and his supporters. I'm more worried about what's going on in my home state. Prop 30 is winning Prop 30 ftw. Let's save the UC and community college system.
Could have done that by cutting high-speed rail and saving the 375 million on the debt service per year. We already pay some of the highest taxes in the nation. Enough is enough. I hope this goes down.
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What an inspiring speech.
We are not red states or blue states, we are the UNITED States!
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If everyone who said they'd move to Canada if Obama won actually did it, that would make my lifetime.
Though i'd have to apologize to the Canadians.
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Pretty well done speech by Obama. Here's to the next 4 years. With a Republican House though...who knows what may happen.
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it doesn't make sense though. why would you move from the u.s. to a more leftish country.
try nicaragua or something
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2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
On November 07 2012 16:19 RJGooner wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 16:17 Souma wrote:On November 07 2012 16:15 RJGooner wrote:Gratz to Obama and his supporters. I'm more worried about what's going on in my home state. Prop 30 is winning Prop 30 ftw. Let's save the UC and community college system. Could have done that by cutting high-speed rail and saving the 375 million on the debt service per year. We already pay some of the highest taxes in the nation. Enough is enough. I hope this goes down.
Are we still doing that high-speed rail thing?
California is unique in that we border Mexico and have the highest population in the country. 'highest taxes in the nation' doesn't mean quite much. And tax revenue as a % of GDP is actually not the highest in the nation - it's middling. Prop 13 really screws our chances to create a sensible budget.
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On November 07 2012 16:11 ey215 wrote:
Alright, heading to bed.
To the Democrats and Liberals around here congratulations on having the President win re-election. Hopefully this time he's serious about getting input and working with the other side to actually get the problems in our country fixed. I didn't vote for him either time but four years ago I hoped he was successful and tonight I hope he is as well.
Here's to also hoping that the GOP listens to some of us and moves into governing more than campaigning. This doesn't mean I want us to give up our core values of smaller and more efficient government and personal liberties but it's time to give a little to get a little and to recognize that personal liberties shouldn't mean that you get to impose your morals on other people.
Thanks to all for a fun night. I said it at the beginning and I'll say it now, I <3 election night!
I'm not trying to start an argument, but Time magazine had an article earlier this year about how some Republicans in 2008 thought they might have to start compromising. But then some leaders took over and decided it would be better to stonewall and oppose everything, and hope things went downhill. Pour fuel on the fire, not too different from how Democrats felt about George W Bush's second term, although I feel they did shift a lot more to the right policy wise.
If that's what Republican strategists have really been doing, then it has and will be impossible to compromise and reach across the aisle. And it would be incredibly manipulative to pull that off and then accuse your opponent of a lack of bipartisanship.
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On November 07 2012 16:19 RJGooner wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 16:17 Souma wrote:On November 07 2012 16:15 RJGooner wrote:Gratz to Obama and his supporters. I'm more worried about what's going on in my home state. Prop 30 is winning Prop 30 ftw. Let's save the UC and community college system. Could have done that by cutting high-speed rail and saving the 375 million on the debt service per year. We already pay some of the highest taxes in the nation. Enough is enough. I hope this goes down.
I hear you man, we pay enough in taxes. Find the money from somewhere else.
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And then they find out we have public healthcare. Welcome comrade.
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On November 07 2012 16:23 Souma wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 16:19 RJGooner wrote:On November 07 2012 16:17 Souma wrote:On November 07 2012 16:15 RJGooner wrote:Gratz to Obama and his supporters. I'm more worried about what's going on in my home state. Prop 30 is winning Prop 30 ftw. Let's save the UC and community college system. Could have done that by cutting high-speed rail and saving the 375 million on the debt service per year. We already pay some of the highest taxes in the nation. Enough is enough. I hope this goes down. Are we still doing that high-speed rail thing? California is unique in that we border Mexico and have the highest population in the country. 'highest taxes in the nation' doesn't mean quite much. And tax revenue as a % of GDP is actually not the highest in the nation - it's middling. Prop 13 really screws our chances to create a sensible budget.
Prop 13 is the sole reason why I hate direct democracy and initiatives so much. When we leave it up to the citizens, what do they do? Demand lower property taxes but increase spending, and then moan and complain when other taxes are increased to pay for other initiatives they pass. Really wish they allowed the legislature to edit initiatives after a year or two, like other states.
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A large amount of Romney voters will be displeased upon arriving in Canada or Europe or Australia only to discover that healthcare is nationalized, homosexuals have rights, and social programs take precedence over the military budget.
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On November 07 2012 16:21 TwoToneTerran wrote:
If everyone who said they'd move to Canada if Obama won actually did it, that would make my lifetime.
Though i'd have to apologize to the Canadians.
Maybe we need some laws making statements made on Twitter legally binding.
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