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WombaT
Northern Ireland23759 Posts
On October 29 2012 06:31 BluePanther wrote: Haha, I'd love for this to be true. I support a national ID card. So that we can do stuff like this. But wouldn't Romney be disenfranchised with this measure? | ||
Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
On October 29 2012 06:30 BluePanther wrote: I can guarantee there are more than 10 cases. I've personally seen more than 10 cases, and I've only worked a single election cycle. Most are actually just mistakes, but that doesn't make it OK. And for me, it's not about Red or Blue. I could care less who's cheating. I want to stop the cheating. As long as the IDs are free and there is enough time for the millions of people without IDs to get them, I don't think anyone would really find a problem with it. | ||
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HunterX11
United States1048 Posts
On October 29 2012 06:30 BluePanther wrote: I can guarantee there are more than 10 cases. I've personally seen more than 10 cases, and I've only worked a single election cycle. Most are actually just mistakes, but that doesn't make it OK. And for me, it's not about Red or Blue. I could care less who's cheating. I want to stop the cheating. The vast majority of cheating is voter suppression, voter caging, etc ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/trPYb.jpg) Funny then how the Republicans focus on voter fraud, which is many, many orders of magnitude smaller a problem, and the measures for which incidentally have a far more disproportionate effect on legitimate Democratic voters than legitimate Republican voters.... | ||
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DoubleReed
United States4130 Posts
On October 29 2012 06:14 Mohdoo wrote: I think part of the issue is that its undeniable that not all of the African American community's problems are their own fault. No one denies that they themselves contribute as well. However, as a nation that harmed them to begin with, I think a lot of people would prefer to overly help as opposed to under help. Its imperative that the debt is settled, even if it means we go a bit too far. But why even go there? Even if you assume that the African American community's problems are entirely their own fault, that still is a problem that needs a serious solution. "Not talking about it" will not make the issue go away. It's something that still needs to be addressed. | ||
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
On October 29 2012 06:33 HunterX11 wrote: The vast majority of cheating is voter suppression, voter caging, etc Funny then how the Republicans focus on voter fraud, which is many, many orders of magnitude smaller a problem, and the measures for which incidentally have a far more disproportionate effect on legitimate Democratic voters than legitimate Republican voters.... This type of thing is so disgusting. Who the hell does crap like this. Sure, it was an "accident" we mislead people what want to vote from doing so, snicker, snicker. | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5079 Posts
76% Johnson. 69% Goode. Barack Zero 44%. 12% Stein take that treehugging commie 4% Mr. Anderson who is this guy oh he's some occupy weirdo | ||
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sc2superfan101
3583 Posts
3x more likely to be in prison than college 72% born to unwed mothers 14.1% unemployment 27.6% live in poverty higher than 1/10 ratio of pregancy among 15-19 age group more likely to get STDs obviously, there is something seriously wrong here, and it's not just affecting blacks. Hispanics are seeing it happen too. some of these numbers are going down, but most of them are going up. in some cases, blacks are faring worse than they were during the height of segregation. obviously we have not "solved" the problem of racial inequality, and I think it is pretty clearly not just some cultural problem, it's a systematic breakdown on some level, maybe multiple levels. and I don't think we can throw this problem at the feet of slavery and segregation either, despite those being a huge part of it. the fact that the black male in California is 14x more likely to be murdered than a white male means that there is a serious problem with both parties, because last time I checked, California isn't exactly a hotbed of conservative thought, and if we want to break it down even further, than where do you think the majority of these murders and teen pregnancies are happening? urban areas. inner cities. and those aren't where you go looking for Republican mayors and city-councilmen and congressmen. now I am not suggesting that Democrats are at fault. I think pointing the finger at any one party is beyond useless now. whatever it is that's causing the black youth and adult to be far behind his non-black counterpart in so many ways is clearly a problem with the system and with society. we can all agree, I hope, that it's not genetic. and culture doesn't completely cover it either, so that leaves the government. how do we fix it? I want to hear a liberal, Democrat solution. do we increase benefits (which benefits, and for whom)? do we expand education (and how would we do this)? how do we solve the issue of crime? I know the basic conservative solutions, and I know what liberals think of them, but I've never really had the liberal solutions detailed to me. | ||
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Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
On October 29 2012 06:36 DeepElemBlues wrote: 94% Romney. 76% Johnson. 69% Goode. Barack Zero 44%. 12% Stein take that treehugging commie 4% Mr. Anderson who is this guy oh he's some occupy weirdo I'm surprised we're not all 94% Romney. I mean he practically agrees with all of us. | ||
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BluePanther
United States2776 Posts
On October 29 2012 06:31 Souma wrote: As long as the IDs are free and there is enough time for the millions of people without IDs to get them, I don't think anyone would really find a problem with it. free or reasonable priced. An ID that is <$10 is reasonable to me. Now if someone is charging $200, I would never support that. I compare it to spending gas money or a bus fare on traveling to the polling station or buying stamps for requesting an absentee ballot. Totally acceptable. But requiring someone to buy a car to go vote is not acceptable. There is a difference between reasonable expense and a poll tax. | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5079 Posts
Funny then how the Republicans focus on voter fraud, which is many, many orders of magnitude smaller a problem, and the measures for which incidentally have a far more disproportionate effect on legitimate Democratic voters than legitimate Republican voters.... http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/local/bogus-letters-target-florida-republican-voters/1258012 EDIT: Also please people it's been mentioned several times and you should know it anyway, all the new voter ID laws have provisions for people to get IDs from the state for free, mailed to their door, if they can't afford to get one at the DMV themselves. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On October 29 2012 06:36 DeepElemBlues wrote: 94% Romney. 76% Johnson. 69% Goode. Barack Zero 44%. 12% Stein take that treehugging commie 4% Mr. Anderson who is this guy oh he's some occupy weirdo i'd hug jill. and then hug a tree, sure | ||
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BluePanther
United States2776 Posts
On October 29 2012 06:35 Leporello wrote: This type of thing is so disgusting. Who the hell does crap like this. Sure, it was an "accident" we mislead people what want to vote from doing so, snicker, snicker. I don't disagree, but what can we really do about that? Voter fraud we can do something about. Things like this we can't unless they are federal employees. | ||
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Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
On October 29 2012 06:38 BluePanther wrote: free or reasonable priced. An ID that is <$10 is reasonable to me. Now if someone is charging $200, I would never support that. I compare it to spending gas money or a bus fare on traveling to the polling station or buying stamps for requesting an absentee ballot. Totally acceptable. But requiring someone to buy a car to go vote is not acceptable. There is a difference between reasonable expense and a poll tax. Whatever the price is, it's still a poll tax. Nobody is forcing them to take a bus or a car to a polling station. The I.D. would be forced, however. While to us $5 or even $10 may not seem like much, that may be a day's meal to someone else. | ||
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DoubleReed
United States4130 Posts
On October 29 2012 06:39 DeepElemBlues wrote: http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/local/bogus-letters-target-florida-republican-voters/1258012 EDIT: Also please people it's been mentioned several times and you should know it anyway, all the new voter ID laws have provisions for people to get IDs from the state for free, mailed to their door, if they can't afford to get one at the DMV themselves. And yet judges everywhere have struck them down for voter suppression. http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/decision2012/pennsylvania-voter-id-law-enforcement-halted-by-judge/2012/10/02/bf240ffc-0c9d-11e2-bb5e-492c0d30bff6_story.html I don't know why you're pretending that this isn't the goal. Why would you put these laws in right before an election? Come on. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On October 29 2012 06:31 BluePanther wrote: Haha, I'd love for this to be true. I support a national ID card. So that we can do stuff like this. See, I'm not completely a godless communist. It's a very elegant idea I think. You pay taxes as part of your obligation to the government, and they give you the ID that lets you vote for the government when you do. It's like a membership fee, but one that does so much more than the one you'd get from the country club. | ||
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BluePanther
United States2776 Posts
On October 29 2012 06:43 DoubleReed wrote: And yet judges everywhere have struck them down for voter suppression. http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/decision2012/pennsylvania-voter-id-law-enforcement-halted-by-judge/2012/10/02/bf240ffc-0c9d-11e2-bb5e-492c0d30bff6_story.html I don't know why you're pretending that this isn't the goal. Why would you put these laws in right before an election? Come on. Neither of you are correct http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crawford_v._Marion_County_Election_Board | ||
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sc2superfan101
3583 Posts
69% Goode..... who, what, where? 65% Johnson...... I thought he would be an alright candidate, I'm not surprised. 52% Barack Obama...... wtf? more like -165% 1% Rocky Anderson..... who the fuck is Rocky Anderson? 0% Jill Stein....... not surprised meh, it's mildly accurate. | ||
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Boraz
United States361 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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BluePanther
United States2776 Posts
On October 29 2012 06:51 Boraz wrote: Everybody on here wants to talk about idiocy. Give me proof that Obama has helped America. Because he hasn't. And show me how exactly the unemployment rate is lower? It's HIGHER! You want proof of an opinion? And we've had pages and pages and pages of unimployment discussion, with valid points being presented by both sides. This adds nothing to the discussion. | ||
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