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On October 29 2012 07:18 Sermokala wrote:http://www.startribune.com/politics/statelocal/176113071.html?refer=y&refer=yWell shit. My states going to become a battleground state soon. My local newspaper is reporting that romney is within 3 points of taking Minnesota. beacuse of how ads in Minnesota leak out to Wisconsin its going to be doubly worth for him to make a big ad buy for the final strech. Combined with gains in Wisconsin and Colorado romney might not even need ohio to win the election.
I wouldn't be so sure about that yet. The Mason Dixon poll is certainly good news for Romney in a state in which he previously had very little, but I'm not sure its indicative of anything too substantial.
There were two polls out in Minnesota on Saturday. One, from St. Cloud State University, gave President Obama an eight-point lead. But another, from Mason-Dixon for The Minneapolis Star Tribune, had Mr. Obama with a smaller lead of just three points.
Which of these polls represents the more likely state of play in Minnesota? The FiveThirtyEight forecast projects Mr. Obama to win there by 6.8 percentage points, meaning that it is somewhat closer to the St. Cloud State poll. Other recent polls, conducted after the first presidential debate in Denver, gave given Mr. Obama leads of margins between 5 and 10 points.
Mason-Dixon is a strong polling firm, but their results have been more Republican-leaning than the consensus in Minnesota and most other states. That does not mean its pollsters are a bunch of partisan hacks; they have a pretty good track record, and it is good for a candidate — in this case, Mitt Romney — when a strong polling firm consistently shows solid results for him.
At the same time, this context — what we call pollster “house effects” — is important to keep in mind. The odds are that if Mason-Dixon were to poll other states that they have skipped, liked Ohio or Virginia, they would also show reasonably strong results for Mr. Romney.
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On October 29 2012 07:18 Sermokala wrote:http://www.startribune.com/politics/statelocal/176113071.html?refer=y&refer=yWell shit. My states going to become a battleground state soon. My local newspaper is reporting that romney is within 3 points of taking Minnesota. beacuse of how ads in Minnesota leak out to Wisconsin its going to be doubly worth for him to make a big ad buy for the final strech. Combined with gains in Wisconsin and Colorado romney might not even need ohio to win the election.
I'm not sure if Minnesota is truly in play. However, I would expect the Minneapolis market to get a larger chunk of ads now since they are the western Wisconsin media market.
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Obama promised an unemployment rate of 4.5% or something around there...we're still like 25 million jobs away. This is just one broken promise. Stop blaming Bush for Obama's failings. Yes, Obama inherited some bad things, but overall he should have been able to HELP this country.
If you truly want my opinion...I think Obama is a communist who is friends with those who attacked our Embassy. I think he let the attack happen as a sacrifice to his God, Allah. He isn't American whatsoever and wants to turn America into a communist country. That's my opinion.
Now stop trying to say he's made the country better, because he hasn't.
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On October 29 2012 08:17 Boraz wrote:
Obama promised an unemployment rate of 4.5% or something around there...we're still like 25 million jobs away. This is just one broken promise. Stop blaming Bush for Obama's failings. Yes, Obama inherited some bad things, but overall he should have been able to HELP this country.
If you truly want my opinion...I think Obama is a communist who is friends with those who attacked our Embassy. I think he let the attack happen as a sacrifice to his God, Allah. He isn't American whatsoever and wants to turn America into a communist country. That's my opinion.
Now stop trying to say he's made the country better, because he hasn't.
Well what kind of proof do you want? I mean, as a communist agent, isn't it possible that even if unemployment were down to 4.5%, it would just be part of his ploy to lull us into complacency before launching a Soviet takeover?
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2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
Well that didn't take long.
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On October 29 2012 08:17 Boraz wrote:
Obama promised an unemployment rate of 4.5% or something around there...we're still like 25 million jobs away. This is just one broken promise. Stop blaming Bush for Obama's failings. Yes, Obama inherited some bad things, but overall he should have been able to HELP this country.
If you truly want my opinion...I think Obama is a communist who is friends with those who attacked our Embassy. I think he let the attack happen as a sacrifice to his God, Allah. He isn't American whatsoever and wants to turn America into a communist country. That's my opinion.
Now stop trying to say he's made the country better, because he hasn't.
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What??? I thought conspiracy theorism of this level was full ban-worthy here on TL. I mean he is actually calling Obama a communist-muslim who was working with terrorists in Benghazi to attack America. It has been shown again and again that Obama is not a muslim, and last I remeber he is not a communist either, he has some left leaning policies but is nowhere near communist. This post is honestly the lowest point of this thread period.
Why can't good threads last 
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On October 29 2012 07:30 oneofthem wrote:
big surprise when the economy for the last decade has been propped up by debt and mortgages and the like, and we are here talking about obama.
expecting a quick recovery at this time is not realistic.
Manny people do expect a recovery for the usa economy in the coming years, for next year they already predict 3% growth.
Its not fast in absolute terms,the start of the crisis is already 4 years behind us, but seeing the seize of the crisis it is far from slow.
If no major events happen (war with iran or fiscal cliff) i think the usa economy will skyrocket the coming 3 years with maybe more then 10% growth totall over that time.
All the liquidity they poured into the system is slowly dribbling down.
Can see it in the slow recovery of housing prices, wich i think will be the engine for comsumer spending.
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I got 84% Johnson, 81% Romney, and 28% Obama. However to be honest... I really do feel like we're screwed no matter if Obama or Romney wins. Let's be honest, the next four years will still be really rough in the United States.
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On October 29 2012 07:30 oneofthem wrote:
big surprise when the economy for the last decade has been propped up by debt and mortgages and the like, and we are here talking about obama.
expecting a quick recovery at this time is not realistic.
well said and to the point.
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On October 29 2012 09:21 Silentness wrote:
I got 84% Johnson, 81% Romney, and 28% Obama. However to be honest... I really do feel like we're screwed no matter if Obama or Romney wins. Let's be honest, the next four years will still be really rough in the United States.
I'd rather have rough on the road to prosperity compared to rough on the road to serfdom (Hayek). Romney wouldn't be my first choice to lead us back to sane policies, but he's definitely up there.
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ugh, Hayek. Romney's the one wants to make us all fucking serfs...
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But what is most disquieting is Romney’s larger political vision. When he said that Obama “takes his political inspiration from Europe, and from the socialist democrats in Europe,” he was not only signalling Obama’s “otherness” to one kind of conservative voter; he was suggesting that Obama’s liberalism is in conflict with a uniquely American strain of individualism. The theme recurred when Romney and his allies jumped on Obama’s observation that no entrepreneur creates a business entirely alone (“You didn’t build that”). The Republicans continue to insist on the “Atlas Shrugged” fantasy of the solitary entrepreneurial genius who creates jobs and wealth with no assistance at all from government or society. If the keynote of Obama’s Administration has been public investment—whether in infrastructure, education, or health—the keynote of Romney’s candidacy has been private equity, a realm in which efficiency and profitability are the supreme values. As a business model, private equity has had a mixed record. As a political template, it is stunted in the extreme. Private equity is concerned with rewarding winners and punishing losers. But a democracy cannot lay off its failing citizens. It cannot be content to leave any of its citizens behind—and certainly not the forty-seven per cent whom Romney wishes to fire from the polity Read more http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2012/10/29/121029taco_talk_editors#ixzz2Ae9N9xLw
From the New Yorker's endorsement of Obama. While not expected, they write really well and this part underlines what I find most wrong with Romney.
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On October 29 2012 09:53 sam!zdat wrote:
ugh, Hayek. Romney's the one wants to make us all fucking serfs...
I like how he worked in that citation. It's like, "If Obama wins, we'll be on the road to serfdom (for proof, see Hayek)."
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I would normally always vote left however, Obama's views of ruling have become so polar opposite to his views when he came in to office I count never trust him.
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On October 29 2012 09:15 Rassy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2012 07:30 oneofthem wrote:
big surprise when the economy for the last decade has been propped up by debt and mortgages and the like, and we are here talking about obama.
expecting a quick recovery at this time is not realistic. Manny people do expect a recovery for the usa economy in the coming years, for next year they already predict 3% growth. Its not fast in absolute terms,the start of the crisis is already 4 years behind us, but seeing the seize of the crisis it is far from slow. If no major events happen (war with iran or fiscal cliff) i think the usa economy will skyrocket the coming 3 years with maybe more then 10% growth totall over that time. All the liquidity they poured into the system is slowly dribbling down. Can see it in the slow recovery of housing prices, wich i think will be the engine for comsumer spending.
yea it's picking up somewhat, but we'll have to see what kind of response to the high rate of technological displacement. all the tax accountants and lawyers are not very productive, at the end of the day. america really do need moar science
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On October 29 2012 10:44 oneofthem wrote:
all the tax accountants and lawyers are not very productive, at the end of the day
blasphemy!
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On October 29 2012 10:43 Unconquerable wrote:
I would normally always vote left however, Obama's views of ruling have become so polar opposite to his views when he came in to office I count never trust him.
What do you mean? examples? just trying to understand
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On October 29 2012 10:48 sam!zdat wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2012 10:44 oneofthem wrote:
all the tax accountants and lawyers are not very productive, at the end of the day blasphemy!
Seriously, I need work once this election is over :-(
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On October 29 2012 07:18 Sermokala wrote:http://www.startribune.com/politics/statelocal/176113071.html?refer=y&refer=yWell shit. My states going to become a battleground state soon. My local newspaper is reporting that romney is within 3 points of taking Minnesota. beacuse of how ads in Minnesota leak out to Wisconsin its going to be doubly worth for him to make a big ad buy for the final strech. Combined with gains in Wisconsin and Colorado romney might not even need ohio to win the election. Doubt it, even though the days where Minnesota was a progressive beacon died with Paul Wellstone.
That said, I'm getting absolutely bombarded by Romney banner ads on the web and especially Michelle 'Jim Graves is a evil liar' Bachmann ads on the internet and on TV.
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