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Boraz
United States361 Posts
If MythBusters did an episode on it, the "myth" would be proven. | ||
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BluePanther
United States2776 Posts
On October 29 2012 06:54 Boraz wrote: I wasn't here for that discussion. Now I'm posting saying that unemployment rates are higher than they were when Obama started. You cannot show proof that says otherwise, because the proof is in the numbers. Maybe Obama has helped American in some aspects, but he has ruined it in others. And the libya thing is ridiculous. All news stations should be reporting on it, but only Fox News is. The media does lean towards Liberals, whether you guys wanna believe it or not. If MythBusters did an episode on it, the "myth" would be proven. Well, it depends which unemployment rating you take, whether you want improvement, rate of change, public v. private sector, growth, benefits, etc etc. It's not nearly as simple as you claim. | ||
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HunterX11
United States1048 Posts
To be fair, it is a fact, not an opinion, that the unemployment rate is lower now than it was when Obama took office. You can argue about the validity of the choosing U3 unemployment or whatever, but the fact remains. | ||
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farvacola
United States18845 Posts
On October 29 2012 06:54 Boraz wrote: I wasn't here for that discussion. Now I'm posting saying that unemployment rates are higher than they were when Obama started. You cannot show proof that says otherwise, because the proof is in the numbers. Maybe Obama has helped American in some aspects, but he has ruined it in others. And the libya thing is ridiculous. All news stations should be reporting on it, but only Fox News is. The media does lean towards Liberals, whether you guys wanna believe it or not. If MythBusters did an episode on it, the "myth" would be proven. I find the methodology employed by MythBusters to be highly suspect given certain subject matter, and I think their conclusions are best viewed as entertainment. That red head sure is enjoyable to look at I'll say. | ||
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sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
On October 29 2012 06:58 farvacola wrote: That red head sure is enjoyable to look at I'll say. I make it a policy to believe all claims advanced by attractive redheads. | ||
Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
On October 29 2012 06:36 sc2superfan101 wrote: I wouldn't say that the system hasn't been, to some degree, working against the advancement of blacks in the United States. I don't know if I can point to any one policy or cause, but if we look at the results we can see some evidence of marginilization. now, general statistics have a way of being misleading but in the spirit of self-trust: 3x more likely to be in prison than college 72% born to unwed mothers 14.1% unemployment 27.6% live in poverty higher than 1/10 ratio of pregancy among 15-19 age group more likely to get STDs obviously, there is something seriously wrong here, and it's not just affecting blacks. Hispanics are seeing it happen too. some of these numbers are going down, but most of them are going up. in some cases, blacks are faring worse than they were during the height of segregation. obviously we have not "solved" the problem of racial inequality, and I think it is pretty clearly not just some cultural problem, it's a systematic breakdown on some level, maybe multiple levels. and I don't think we can throw this problem at the feet of slavery and segregation either, despite those being a huge part of it. the fact that the black male in California is 14x more likely to be murdered than a white male means that there is a serious problem with both parties, because last time I checked, California isn't exactly a hotbed of conservative thought, and if we want to break it down even further, than where do you think the majority of these murders and teen pregnancies are happening? urban areas. inner cities. and those aren't where you go looking for Republican mayors and city-councilmen and congressmen. now I am not suggesting that Democrats are at fault. I think pointing the finger at any one party is beyond useless now. whatever it is that's causing the black youth and adult to be far behind his non-black counterpart in so many ways is clearly a problem with the system and with society. we can all agree, I hope, that it's not genetic. and culture doesn't completely cover it either, so that leaves the government. how do we fix it? I want to hear a liberal, Democrat solution. do we increase benefits (which benefits, and for whom)? do we expand education (and how would we do this)? how do we solve the issue of crime? I know the basic conservative solutions, and I know what liberals think of them, but I've never really had the liberal solutions detailed to me. I don't know what the liberal solutions are, but I'll tell you what I think: End the war on drugs. Legalize marijuana, decriminalize the possession of all drugs, treatment over imprisonment, etc. Affirmative action, however not based on race but on economic status. This is fairer, in my opinion, and still mainly targets minorities. Sweeping education reforms. Not little reforms. Not throwing money at the system. An entire overhaul of the education system. Let's be more flexible, let's be more adapting, let's not have college as the end-all-be-all to a successful life. Work with the local communities of the more impoverished neighborhoods. Invest in their communities. 10+ years ago, my neighborhood was rife with crime and gang violence. Now, with several new schools, parks, a police compound, and incentives for small businesses to open up and new apartments, it's undergone a great transition to becoming a much better neighborhood. How do I know this? Well, I see white people now, something I never saw 10 years ago. | ||
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BluePanther
United States2776 Posts
On October 29 2012 06:58 HunterX11 wrote: To be fair, it is a fact, not an opinion, that the unemployment rate is lower now than it was when Obama took office. You can argue about the validity of the choosing U3 unemployment or whatever, but the fact remains. He wanted proof that he "helped". I think both sides would disagree on this, and I think it's an opinion. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
IIRC, there was a study recently that indicated smoking under the age of 18 has been shown to cause fairly significant brain damage. Can we get an age-requirement on that thing at least?  Agree with the rest, but with the education thing have the taxes you send the IRS go to the school. If economic status becomes so important, better make sure people send it the real shebang I know people who cheat on their FAFSA and CSS Profiles. I'd argue for education reform we follow the European model with various routes to either technical school or university. There's a lot of people who really don't need a college education, or honestly are only here to be the bottom of the curve (not to be too mean, but its true). We've had some small scale success with Charter Schools and Magnet Schools, but nowhere near enough. I also kick ass at sim city, so I know how to city plan! Just zone single blocks commercial in residential areas! | ||
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DoubleReed
United States4130 Posts
On October 29 2012 06:54 Boraz wrote: I wasn't here for that discussion. Now I'm posting saying that unemployment rates are higher than they were when Obama started. You cannot show proof that says otherwise, because the proof is in the numbers. Maybe Obama has helped American in some aspects, but he has ruined it in others. And the libya thing is ridiculous. All news stations should be reporting on it, but only Fox News is. The media does lean towards Liberals, whether you guys wanna believe it or not. If MythBusters did an episode on it, the "myth" would be proven. Well, yea. We were in the middle of a crash when Obama started... ![[image loading]](http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/4edfe187eab8eaab3600001b/heres-the-one-unemployment-chart-obama-will-use-to-win-reelection.jpg) | ||
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Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
On October 29 2012 07:00 ticklishmusic wrote: Whoa, legalize marijuana? IIRC, there was a study recently that indicated smoking under the age of 18 has been shown to cause fairly significant brain damage. Can we get an age-requirement on that thing at least? The age limit would be 18. :p I wouldn't even mind it being 21 to start off with. | ||
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BombaySensei
United States282 Posts
98% Johnson 70% Goode (who?) 67% Romney (higher than i expected) 11% Stein 9% Anderson (who??) 5% Obama (honestly surprised... expected closer to like 40-50%) | ||
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HunterX11
United States1048 Posts
On October 29 2012 06:54 Boraz wrote: I wasn't here for that discussion. Now I'm posting saying that unemployment rates are higher than they were when Obama started. You cannot show proof that says otherwise, because the proof is in the numbers. Maybe Obama has helped American in some aspects, but he has ruined it in others. And the libya thing is ridiculous. All news stations should be reporting on it, but only Fox News is. The media does lean towards Liberals, whether you guys wanna believe it or not. If MythBusters did an episode on it, the "myth" would be proven. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/2DMN5.png) | ||
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farvacola
United States18845 Posts
On October 29 2012 07:00 ticklishmusic wrote: Whoa, legalize marijuana? IIRC, there was a study recently that indicated smoking under the age of 18 has been shown to cause fairly significant brain damage. Can we get an age-requirement on that thing at least? Hey man, I've been smoking since the ripe age of 14, and I'm a fucking genius :p | ||
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Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
On October 29 2012 07:09 farvacola wrote: Hey man, I've been smoking since the ripe age of 14, and I'm a fucking genius :p The weed's rot farv's brain so much he thinks he's a genius now. Poor guy.  | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On October 29 2012 07:09 farvacola wrote: Hey man, I've been smoking since the ripe age of 14, and I'm a fucking genius :p Despite the possibility that smoking since the age of 14 could provide another farvacola, I think science says that overall for society it would be better if we had an age limit | ||
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Sermokala
United States14081 Posts
Well shit. My states going to become a battleground state soon. My local newspaper is reporting that romney is within 3 points of taking Minnesota. beacuse of how ads in Minnesota leak out to Wisconsin its going to be doubly worth for him to make a big ad buy for the final strech. Combined with gains in Wisconsin and Colorado romney might not even need ohio to win the election. | ||
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farvacola
United States18845 Posts
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JonnyBNoHo
United States6277 Posts
To be fair the official unemployment rate isn't the only statistic worth looking at when it comes to unemployment. That number came down a lot due to people leaving the workforce - largely because the economy sucks. For example, if you look at the share of the population that is employed the numbers haven't improved a bit under Obama. ![[image loading]](http://media.economist.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/full-width/images/2012/10/blogs/free-exchange/emp-pop_ratio_sept_2012.png) From a blog post here. | ||
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Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
On October 29 2012 07:20 JonnyBNoHo wrote: To be fair the official unemployment rate isn't the only statistic worth looking at when it comes to unemployment. That number came down a lot due to people leaving the workforce - largely because the economy sucks. For example, if you look at the share of the population that is employed the numbers haven't improved a bit under Obama. From a blog post here. To be fair, a lot of the people who left the workforce were already at retirement age. As time goes on, we're going to have even more people leaving the workforce, even after the economy rebounds. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
expecting a quick recovery at this time is not realistic. | ||
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