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On April 15 2012 14:18 Zach426 wrote:
Uhh there's not a lot if any that eat horse meat in the us. But here's my thing. My cow doesn't learn the tricks that I try to teach it. My chickens don't play fetch with me in the backyard, and my pigs sure as hell don't greet me at the door when I get home from work. Dogs are domesticated and I would never in a million years eat dog meat.
Actually pigs are capable of deeper emotional attachments then dogs and are more intelligent so they'd definitely be able to learn 'tricks' that you want to teach your pet pig if you ever owned one.
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a past blog entry...
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=225878
Many of you may know about my infamous (P)Storkism trip to korea in december (see my other blogs), I also wanted to share this little story: When I was riding the subway, I saw a tourist information in it where interesting places on the route were marked and a description in english was added. So when I came to Moran station, I saw that there was a market right here so I decided to take a look, maybe there's something interesting for tourists if its on a map like that. When I finally reached the place I was very disappointed. There were no real interesting places or markets at all, rather farmers selling their own stuff or cheap chinese 1 dollar per piece stuff. nevertheless I decided to take walk around the parameter when I suddendly came to a dirty road without concrete at the other side of the place. I instantly smelled meat and I knew that this wasn't something regular i already know. So I saw these cages with dogs, goats and other animals. Like fried dogs were also on the dirty cages and this place seemed so different from the korea I know. Everything was really messy, it smelled, but I'm also the type of guy to respect local things so I wasn't that horrified by it. To be honest, I was wearing expensive clothes, I was a foreigner, it wasn't something which I should see as a tourist at all, this wasn't the place were I should be. The shops seemed to be empty and thats when I decided to take a photo - bad mistake! ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/GpMCO.jpg) ~1700 won per 100g , there's a goat on the left side I think Instantly some guy from behind kinda assaulted me, pushed and punched me. I shouted to him in german that he will see an early grave if he goes on with that & pushed him away....it helped and he kinda left. I walked down and saw everything but people watched me carefully, I felt that they were pretty hostile towards me and it was a good idea to just go away... To be honest, I have no real opinion on this. I like meat (of course not of dogs), but I eat vegetarian stuff most of the time. European people were really disgusted by my story but I also want to mention that only older people seem to eat that kind of meat and youngers don't, also I think that a foreigner should respect local surroundings instead of trashing them... I had no idea that this market is so infamous - thanks to google I know it now!
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I don't eat any meat. Animals are not as smart as humans, but i wouldn't eat a human who was shown to have extremely little brain activity/intelligence either. Many animals need to hunt and eat meat to survive, that might of been true of humans in the past but now that we have the means and choice to choose not to kill other things for food we might as well not do it.
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On April 15 2012 14:17 alffla wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2012 14:08 rasnj wrote:On April 15 2012 13:14 alffla wrote:
i've eaten before, i don't really see why people find it so repulsive. just another animal, although yea, i can understand the emotional attachement towards domestic animals. but fuck, as long as im not eating YOUR dog or YOUR cat, who cares >_> I agree that this is the logical approach, but habit and irrational feelings rule us all. Would you eat human meat from a human who died a natural death and whose meat would otherwise be burned of buried? I see no good reason not to (except if it tastes bad or is unhealthy), but I wouldn't do it because it would feel weird. yeah, i think maybe there's something biologically programmed in our brains to not easily bring oneself to eat your own species though i guess? i think even in the animal world there aren't that many animals that eat their own kind.. really not sure about that, but just thinking about bringing some chopped off human thigh meat towards my face makes me cringe.
Maybe because you would have to butcher the body for the meat? That would be gruesome as fuck. People are also a "elevated" animal in many peoples minds. You wouldn't kill a person to eat them when there is a dog or cat to eat because a person is more important.
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If you're ok with eating beef or pork or chicken, I see no reasong why dogs are much different
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On April 15 2012 14:48 Twelve12 wrote:
I don't eat any meat. Animals are not as smart as humans, but i wouldn't eat a human who was shown to have extremely little brain activity/intelligence either. Many animals need to hunt and eat meat to survive, that might of been true of humans in the past but now that we have the means and choice to choose not to kill other things for food we might as well not do it.
But I relish in it. I choose to embrace my primal nature. There's nothing quite like having the proper anatomical knowledge to pick the flesh of a chicken cadaver off its bones with staggering efficiency, and then looking down at my plate to bear witness upon the greatest avian holocaust since last tuesday's 35 cent wing night at roosters.
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On April 15 2012 15:06 smokeyhoodoo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2012 14:48 Twelve12 wrote:
I don't eat any meat. Animals are not as smart as humans, but i wouldn't eat a human who was shown to have extremely little brain activity/intelligence either. Many animals need to hunt and eat meat to survive, that might of been true of humans in the past but now that we have the means and choice to choose not to kill other things for food we might as well not do it. But I relish in it. I choose to embrace my primal nature. There's nothing quite like having the proper anatomical knowledge to pick the flesh of a chicken cadaver off its bones with staggering efficiency, and then looking down at my plate to bear witness upon the greatest avian holocaust since last tuesday's 35 cent wing night at roosters.
I understand i'm probably going to be outnumbered by people who aren't vegetarian, but my argument was essentially that i don't make a judgement on whether or not to kill and eat something based on how smart it is. I assume you wouldn't feel the same way about picking the flesh off a retarded person or perhaps a very young child who doesn't the same intellectual capacity as an adult yet. Using the example of eating people probably seems like an extreme example, but i'm trying to use examples of things you wouldn't do (i'd hope) to maybe give you an insight through the use of that analogy into where my position comes from.
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Unless you are strictly a vegetarian, you have no ethical viewpoint on the consumption of any kind of meat for it is hypocritical. Meat is meat whether it is from a chicken, dog, or even a monkey. Being cute and furry doesn't excuse dogs from the food chain.
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On April 15 2012 14:37 zJayy962 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2012 14:18 Zach426 wrote:
Uhh there's not a lot if any that eat horse meat in the us. But here's my thing. My cow doesn't learn the tricks that I try to teach it. My chickens don't play fetch with me in the backyard, and my pigs sure as hell don't greet me at the door when I get home from work. Dogs are domesticated and I would never in a million years eat dog meat. Actually pigs are capable of deeper emotional attachments then dogs and are more intelligent so they'd definitely be able to learn 'tricks' that you want to teach your pet pig if you ever owned one.
Thank you mr. pig expert, I'm glad you took the time out of your busy day to grace me with your expertise on the TL forums. I still love bacon and more importantly pork chops.
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On April 15 2012 15:04 Abort Retry Fail wrote:
If you're ok with eating beef or pork or chicken, I see no reasong why dogs are much different
Because most people don't consider cows, pigs, or chickens as pets.
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On April 15 2012 15:32 Zach426 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2012 14:37 zJayy962 wrote:On April 15 2012 14:18 Zach426 wrote:
Uhh there's not a lot if any that eat horse meat in the us. But here's my thing. My cow doesn't learn the tricks that I try to teach it. My chickens don't play fetch with me in the backyard, and my pigs sure as hell don't greet me at the door when I get home from work. Dogs are domesticated and I would never in a million years eat dog meat. Actually pigs are capable of deeper emotional attachments then dogs and are more intelligent so they'd definitely be able to learn 'tricks' that you want to teach your pet pig if you ever owned one. Thank you mr. pig expert, I'm glad you took the time out of your busy day to grace me with your expertise on the TL forums. I still love bacon and more importantly pork chops.
BLASPHEMY! Bacon is way better and more important than simple pork chops.
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On April 15 2012 15:33 Ercster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2012 15:04 Abort Retry Fail wrote:
If you're ok with eating beef or pork or chicken, I see no reasong why dogs are much different Because most people don't consider cows, pigs, or chickens as pets.
So.. since YOU consider only dogs from that list as pets means that an entire culture of people should conform to your standards and see it that eating dogs is wrong?
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I've had dog meat before and it was rather good. I don't find it morally disturbing or anything as I've eaten turkey before and in Asia, turkey is a pretty rare animal that's kept in zoos so... xD It's all about perspective!
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On April 15 2012 15:16 Twelve12 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2012 15:06 smokeyhoodoo wrote:On April 15 2012 14:48 Twelve12 wrote:
I don't eat any meat. Animals are not as smart as humans, but i wouldn't eat a human who was shown to have extremely little brain activity/intelligence either. Many animals need to hunt and eat meat to survive, that might of been true of humans in the past but now that we have the means and choice to choose not to kill other things for food we might as well not do it. But I relish in it. I choose to embrace my primal nature. There's nothing quite like having the proper anatomical knowledge to pick the flesh of a chicken cadaver off its bones with staggering efficiency, and then looking down at my plate to bear witness upon the greatest avian holocaust since last tuesday's 35 cent wing night at roosters. I understand i'm probably going to be outnumbered by people who aren't vegetarian, but my argument was essentially that i don't make a judgement on whether or not to kill and eat something based on how smart it is. I assume you wouldn't feel the same way about picking the flesh off a retarded person or perhaps a very young child who doesn't the same intellectual capacity as an adult yet. Using the example of eating people probably seems like an extreme example, but i'm trying to use examples of things you wouldn't do (i'd hope) to maybe give you an insight through the use of that analogy into where my position comes from.
I don't judge whether to eat something based off of its intelligence either. That whole debate is completely alien to me and I don't understand it.
Edit: I do not see you as being in the minority. Most of the meat eaters will think and argue on your terms to make feeble attempts at defending their habits. The discussion regarding intelligence is an example of this. You are in the majority in that you assume there to be a moral dilemma in the first place.
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On April 15 2012 15:33 Ercster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2012 15:32 Zach426 wrote:On April 15 2012 14:37 zJayy962 wrote:On April 15 2012 14:18 Zach426 wrote:
Uhh there's not a lot if any that eat horse meat in the us. But here's my thing. My cow doesn't learn the tricks that I try to teach it. My chickens don't play fetch with me in the backyard, and my pigs sure as hell don't greet me at the door when I get home from work. Dogs are domesticated and I would never in a million years eat dog meat. Actually pigs are capable of deeper emotional attachments then dogs and are more intelligent so they'd definitely be able to learn 'tricks' that you want to teach your pet pig if you ever owned one. Thank you mr. pig expert, I'm glad you took the time out of your busy day to grace me with your expertise on the TL forums. I still love bacon and more importantly pork chops. BLASPHEMY! Bacon is way better and more important than simple pork chops.
Maybe simple pork chops...but not GREAT pork chops!
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On April 15 2012 15:33 Ercster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2012 15:04 Abort Retry Fail wrote:
If you're ok with eating beef or pork or chicken, I see no reasong why dogs are much different Because most people don't consider cows, pigs, or chickens as pets.
Then the issue is merely superficial.
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I think a bit worse than regular meat since dogs have been bred to be companions and thats what theyve become. It not only how we perceive it but its also most likely true that they make other bonds with humans.
That being said, I still think ALL meat consumption is wrong and its extremely difficult to give any good moral arguments why eating meat would be ok. Humans CAN live without eating meat but we simply chose to kill for food. I guess a lot of people value a steak over an animal life... (I eat meat myself)
On April 15 2012 08:32 TwilightStar wrote:
I never understood why people didn't like others eating dog meat. Dogs are animals, no? As are cows, pigs, and chickens.
They've been used for food for more than thousands of years.
And that makes it right? I dont get your point if you have one.
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On April 15 2012 15:57 Robinsa wrote:I think a bit worse than regular meat since dogs have been bred to be companions and thats what theyve become. It not only how we perceive it but its also most likely true that they make other bonds with humans. That being said, I still think ALL meat consumption is wrong and its extremely difficult to give any good moral arguments why eating meat would be ok. Humans CAN live without eating meat but we simply chose to kill for food. I guess a lot of people value a steak over an animal life... (I eat meat myself) Show nested quote +On April 15 2012 08:32 TwilightStar wrote:
I never understood why people didn't like others eating dog meat. Dogs are animals, no? As are cows, pigs, and chickens.
They've been used for food for more than thousands of years. And that makes it right? I dont get your point if you have one.
His point is that if you eat other animals, why would you be all worked up if the animal is a dog rather than a cow or a pig. If you dislike eating dog or cat just because you see them alive, you should really start reconsidering your stance on meat altogether.
Personally I am not against the eating of dogs or cats because doing so would be a hypocritical stance after over 20 years of consuming beef, meat and what not. For the record, I would eat insects as well. If it tastes good and isn't outright poisonous, I will eat it.
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if you are against eating dog meat, u better be a vegetarian. if you are eating other meat, you are just as bad, dun be bias toward the animal u put in your mouth. u have no right to advocate against eating dog meat if u are eating other meat. same goes to pple who talks about shark fins
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I don't see the purpose in it, other than being a delicacy. They just seem horribly inefficient as farm animals. You have to feed them food for the little amount of meat they produce (per $ food fed). Their manure is harmful to human health, there is no demand for their fur and skin, nor do they produce dairy. Their involvement in farms typically consists of hunting, guarding, herding, etc... tasks that doesn't require breeding them in large numbers.
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