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smokeyhoodoo
United States1021 Posts
On April 15 2012 13:46 kidcrash wrote: I'd like a source for those statistics please. I don't care enough about the argument to investigate the underlying assumption. Why are you asking me to do research for you? | ||
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corose
United States31 Posts
Some people argue that dogs are cuter, more loyal or smarter then other animals. However there is no rigorous evidence to prove that they are. Ummm...what? There is tons of animal research on the intelligence and loyal qualities of dogs... What would ever make you think there isn't? Of course the animal that has most closely associated with Humans, and has been bred specifically for numerous tasks either vital at some point to human survival or very important to us for some other reason, has been extensively studied. Like, I mean, Totally...Facepalm. A sub species that we have artificial selected for for thousand of years from the Grey Wolf, to give us such morphological differences as the Chihuhua to the Husky to St. Bernard's to the Grey Wolf itself HAS BEEN STUDIED. Don't just make statements without acutally thinking about it. Cuter? No, not studied likely. More loyal? Well, that's obvious... name another species that is as social with Humans as dogs? They were the first animal to be domesticated, so it's a no brainer. In fact, it's one of the main reasons we became so successful as a species. Domestication of dogs, cereal grain cultivation, and...probably whatever else is in Guns, Germs, and Steel. [quoteAlso even if we assume dogs are cuter, more loyal and smarter then other animals it feels like that it is a very arbitrary standard to discriminate over these values. Should we have a measure of cuteness/intelligence/loyalty and consume whatever animal that is lower than an arbitrary limit?[/quote] We already do that. Pigs might be smarter than dogs, so unless you're going to rid the world of bacon (and good luck with that!) then an arbitrary line isn't going to work. Also, do you understand what arbitrary means? Why would cuter, loyal, and intelligence be arbitrary qualities? Each one has meaning. Cuteness appeals to emotions, which influence almost all our actions. Loyality is highly valued for hopefully obvious reasons. Unless you think the military wouldn't care if one of their IED sniffing dogs was just like, "meh, i'm gonna go do something else." Loyality breeds trust, a strong relationship, and good teamwork. Intelligence? Really? Well, i guess having a dog incapable of learning would...no, nevermind I don't have an analogy or anything. Of course intelligence isn't arbitrary, it's highly valued for performing tasks, and not only for dogs. Unless that's why Employers don't care if you're smart, or educated, or reliable (loyal). I'm sorry, I understand your post, and what you meant, but unless you mean, "there is no meaning in life, thus everything is arbitrary," and are an extreme nihilist, in which case I would say, "Ok, i agree", but for all practical purposes, ALL those values have SIGNIFICANCE, are are EXCELLENT means for evaluating something. Whether that be a Spouse, an Employee, or a Dog. So, nihilistically... doesn't matter what you eat, even human (ya, i said it). Realistically? You better be putting values somewhere. And for survivability and success, those 3 are some pretty good ones. | ||
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meatbox
Australia349 Posts
On April 15 2012 14:02 Benga wrote: i agree that dogs are delicious.yum and if ytou disagree why the hell do you eat other animals? what do you think about eating horses? lol hypocrites Dogs are skinned and cooked alive, and by eating dog meat you agree with it, oh my!  | ||
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kidcrash
United States626 Posts
On April 15 2012 14:04 smokeyhoodoo wrote: I don't care enough about the argument to investigate the underlying assumption. Why are you asking me to do research for you? Because you're wrong. | ||
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ZidaneTribal
United States2800 Posts
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julianto
2292 Posts
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rasnj
United States1959 Posts
On April 15 2012 13:14 alffla wrote: i've eaten before, i don't really see why people find it so repulsive. just another animal, although yea, i can understand the emotional attachement towards domestic animals. but fuck, as long as im not eating YOUR dog or YOUR cat, who cares >_> I agree that this is the logical approach, but habit and irrational feelings rule us all. Would you eat human meat from a human who died a natural death and whose meat would otherwise be burned of buried? I see no good reason not to (except if it tastes bad or is unhealthy), but I wouldn't do it because it would feel weird. | ||
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Firepaw292
Canada126 Posts
On April 15 2012 08:26 gnr9292 wrote: The dog is also killed humanely. How is killing ever humane? I never understood that. I don't like how people dont believe eating dogs is right, then eat other meat. Either eat animals or don't, mixed up feelings inbetween just contradict yourself. | ||
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Chilling5pr33
Germany518 Posts
On April 15 2012 14:09 Firepaw292 wrote: How is killing ever humane? I never understood that. I don't like how people dont believe eating dogs is right, then eat other meat. Either eat animals or don't, mixed up feelings inbetween just contradict yourself. I have to agree i hate it when someone says its totally clear why they are not eating dog-meat but cant really give good reasons why its ok to eat other meat then :/ | ||
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Shana
Indonesia1814 Posts
Dog is just animal, like cow, lamb or whatever else we eat everyday. | ||
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kidcrash
United States626 Posts
On April 15 2012 14:11 Chilling5pr33 wrote: I have to agree i hate it when someone says its totally clear why they not eat dog-meat but cant really give good reasons why its ok to eat other meat then :/ This is a logical fallacy called the perfect solution fallacy that I explained on the prior page. | ||
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smokeyhoodoo
United States1021 Posts
Wrong in contributing a relevant hypothetical predicate upon an assumption presented as neither right or wrong? Alright, I apologize. | ||
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nalgene
Canada2153 Posts
On April 15 2012 14:07 ZidaneTribal wrote: theres nothing wrong with eating dog meat if its cleaned properly (and is not someone's pet). those dogs are bred to be eaten like pigs and chickens so it doesn't really make sense to treat it differently just because you have or know someone who has a pet dog. some people have pet chicken and pigs too and no one cares about eating pork or chicken yeah definitely swine in swine sandwiches are usually fully cooked or cured and you could do the same with dog, too | ||
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meatbox
Australia349 Posts
On April 15 2012 14:13 kidcrash wrote: This is a logical fallacy called the perfect solution fallacy that I explained on the prior page. Umm, you are aware that dogs a skinned and cooked alive, never heard of a cow being skinned and cooked alive, these are the facts. Assuming all animals are killed in the same ways then there is no difference. But the truth of the matter is humans only need fish meat, the other nutrients can be attained from greens. | ||
alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
On April 15 2012 14:08 rasnj wrote: I agree that this is the logical approach, but habit and irrational feelings rule us all. Would you eat human meat from a human who died a natural death and whose meat would otherwise be burned of buried? I see no good reason not to (except if it tastes bad or is unhealthy), but I wouldn't do it because it would feel weird. yeah, i think maybe there's something biologically programmed in our brains to not easily bring oneself to eat your own species though i guess? i think even in the animal world there aren't that many animals that eat their own kind.. really not sure about that, but just thinking about bringing some chopped off human thigh meat towards my face makes me cringe. | ||
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Chilling5pr33
Germany518 Posts
On April 15 2012 14:13 kidcrash wrote: This is a logical fallacy called the perfect solution fallacy that I explained on the prior page. Well so you say improvement happens in steps. And that we will see the wrong in eating any meat maybe in some generation and its fine that we dont eat dog, it is just the first step on the logical evolution? Well i have to disagree :/ | ||
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Zach426
United States60 Posts
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NotSorry
United States6722 Posts
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shawster
Canada2485 Posts
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Tabbris
Bangladesh2839 Posts
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