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Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
April 15 2012 03:46 GMT
#161
On April 15 2012 12:42 RoosterSamurai wrote:
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On April 15 2012 12:35 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Any non-vegetarian who has an issue with dog meat has some serious logic issues.

So you think cow = dog?
Dogs have been domesticated. Cows have not. There is a difference, no matter how hard you want to try and put a round peg in a square hole.

What? Cows have been domesticated since......forever....
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RoosterSamurai
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan2108 Posts
April 15 2012 03:47 GMT
#162
On April 15 2012 12:46 Blasterion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2012 12:42 RoosterSamurai wrote:
On April 15 2012 12:35 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Any non-vegetarian who has an issue with dog meat has some serious logic issues.

So you think cow = dog?
Dogs have been domesticated. Cows have not. There is a difference, no matter how hard you want to try and put a round peg in a square hole.

What? Cows have been domesticated since......forever....

Not as a pet.
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
April 15 2012 03:47 GMT
#163
On April 15 2012 12:42 RoosterSamurai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2012 12:35 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Any non-vegetarian who has an issue with dog meat has some serious logic issues.

So you think cow = dog?
Dogs have been domesticated. Cows have not. There is a difference, no matter how hard you want to try and put a round peg in a square hole.


? Cows have been domesticated
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
April 15 2012 03:48 GMT
#164
I love SEA street food. Chances are i've unknowingly eaten several dogs at the Thailand food stalls =P.
MichaelDonovan
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1453 Posts
April 15 2012 03:48 GMT
#165
If eating dog is wrong then eating any meat is wrong.
Ai.Cola
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany236 Posts
April 15 2012 03:49 GMT
#166
On April 15 2012 12:42 RoosterSamurai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2012 12:35 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Any non-vegetarian who has an issue with dog meat has some serious logic issues.

So you think cow = dog?
Dogs have been domesticated. Cows have not. There is a difference, no matter how hard you want to try and put a round peg in a square hole.


Can you define "domesticated" please?
Pigs have been domesticated, why do you eat them?
Goats have been domesticated, why eat them?
Why are cows not domesticated?

Like the guy you quoted said, you have some serious logic issues sir.
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ObliviousNA
Profile Joined March 2011
United States535 Posts
April 15 2012 03:54 GMT
#167
I am a meat eater out of convenience and culture. I grew to love it, but I would never eat dog meat. (Too many pets - it would be like eating human to me.) Hell, if I had to work on a farm (raise my own meat) I'd probably be a vegetarian. There are plenty of healthy and tasty alternatives.

That being said, I don't disrespect other cultures for eating dog meat.
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Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
April 15 2012 03:55 GMT
#168
On April 15 2012 12:19 babylon wrote:
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On April 15 2012 12:14 Forikorder wrote:
On April 15 2012 11:55 Silidons wrote:
On April 15 2012 11:31 r.Evo wrote:
As a vegetarian I have the clear view that it's okay to eat dog meat if you eat other meat anyway. Why? Because I can't take people seriously who gladly eat pigs or cows but then suddenly dogs, horses or cats are "too cute" to eat them.

Actually I can't take anyone seriously who eats meat but is unable to kill the animal himself and/or has never seen how it is done live and in person, but that's another topic.

also, i guess you're completely fine with human consumption too? we're only an animal, one with a conscience. that's the major difference between us and our primape relatives. you're fine with cannibalism since meat is meat?

what argument do you have for that?

cannibalism is only frowned on because somehow man decided that killing each other sint a good idea


Sometimes I wonder about the consistency/texture of human meat. In my imagination, it's not particularly great. Not sure how I imagine the taste. Hm.

ive heard its actually really tasty

and i can see why, take someone whos been living well, doesnt exercise much (like say someone with Artosis' general build)

the whole body would be nice and tender, with such a great diet the meat would have good protein and full of nutrients
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
April 15 2012 03:57 GMT
#169
had dog meat before, it was meh...

too dry for my taste. prefer beef
Rillanon.au
Lu_e
Profile Joined December 2011
United States95 Posts
April 15 2012 03:58 GMT
#170
No I do not believe eating "Mans best Friend" is ethical.

I'm 100% sure Dogs are more intelligent than chickens, cows and pigs. Dogs can be trained and used as awesome tools/companions.

Can this be said about cow chicken pig? c'mon now....
Orcasgt24
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada3238 Posts
April 15 2012 03:59 GMT
#171
Cows are living creatures too. We would never hesitate to eat one. JI would be upset if someone tried to cook my dog but some other dog IDC
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FoeHamr
Profile Joined December 2010
United States489 Posts
April 15 2012 03:59 GMT
#172
I am not going to eat a dog but I don't really care if other people do.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
April 15 2012 04:00 GMT
#173
On April 15 2012 12:58 Lu_e wrote:
No I do not believe eating "Mans best Friend" is ethical.

I'm 100% sure Dogs are more intelligent than chickens, cows and pigs. Dogs can be trained and used as awesome tools/companions.

Can this be said about cow chicken pig? c'mon now....

love the bias

Pigs are confirmed to be far far smarter then dogs

weve been trying to train our dog to be used to the invisible fence for over a month and he wont even get within 5 meters of the boundry
Ai.Cola
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany236 Posts
April 15 2012 04:03 GMT
#174
On April 15 2012 12:58 Lu_e wrote:
No I do not believe eating "Mans best Friend" is ethical.

I'm 100% sure Dogs are more intelligent than chickens, cows and pigs. Dogs can be trained and used as awesome tools/companions.

Can this be said about cow chicken pig? c'mon now....


are you kidding me?
are you literally serious?
Pigs are definitly more intelligent than dogs, possibly almost as smart as other primates.
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Yst
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada70 Posts
April 15 2012 04:07 GMT
#175
I am a vegan, and have been for over a decade. That having said, to the extent that, and in such circumstances as the meat of animals as intelligent as pigs and cows is considered to be an ethical source of food, dog (and horse for that matter) are likewise surely to be considered an ethical source of food.

If someone has a culturally based aversion to the consumption of dog (or horse), that's perfectly fine. They don't have to eat it. But if they express disgust for the choice of others to consume these meats, and judge them for it, while consuming the meats of equally intelligent animals, they're merely hypocrites.
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
April 15 2012 04:08 GMT
#176
So long as you aren't stealing dogs, or taking them off the street, I'm OK with it. So long as it does not endanger morals of production et.c
Chvol
Profile Joined August 2010
United States200 Posts
April 15 2012 04:09 GMT
#177
It's an animal like any other. If you're going to deem it that life forms less intelligent than your own race are fair game to be killed and or eaten, then I don't see the significance of the particular species. Ethics of eating any other life is a more interesting question.

If there were an alien species say 5 times more intelligent than humans that discovered earth, they would probably think nothing of killing and eating us, just as we do to the animals here. They wouldn't consider themselves evil( as many movies portray invading aliens), just as we probably wouldn't think we were evil if we colonized a planet we discovered by wiping out a bunch of chimpanzees.
Sinensis
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2513 Posts
April 15 2012 04:10 GMT
#178
I would eat any animal that I hadn't raised as a pet. I would not eat my pets.

Pets are for loving. Not eating.

That said I would eat a dog that wasn't my pet.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-15 04:15:47
April 15 2012 04:10 GMT
#179
On April 15 2012 11:47 Silidons wrote:
dogs are not bred for consumption. how much meat is on a dog? i can't believe the poll here.

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On April 15 2012 11:31 r.Evo wrote:
As a vegetarian I have the clear view that it's okay to eat dog meat if you eat other meat anyway. Why? Because I can't take people seriously who gladly eat pigs or cows but then suddenly dogs, horses or cats are "too cute" to eat them.

Actually I can't take anyone seriously who eats meat but is unable to kill the animal himself and/or has never seen how it is done live and in person, but that's another topic.


well then it seems your opinion is completely irrelevent, and you have no idea how dogs were used in tribes and shit. they were used to help hunt, and what would they hunt? shit like deer and probably horses (eventually led to pig/cow farms once they got their shit together) and dogs were never hunted down and killed to consume, unless they were hungry and chased a pack of wolves or something.

i can't take vegetarians seriously who have no idea of human history and would know that if everyone was a vegatarian, you wouldn't be alive today.

the #1 problem with dog consumption? there is absolutely 0 reason to eat a dog compared to other ways to get food. this is 2012, there was many many many more ways that are also cheaper in order to get food onto someones plate.


On April 15 2012 11:55 Silidons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2012 11:31 r.Evo wrote:
As a vegetarian I have the clear view that it's okay to eat dog meat if you eat other meat anyway. Why? Because I can't take people seriously who gladly eat pigs or cows but then suddenly dogs, horses or cats are "too cute" to eat them.

Actually I can't take anyone seriously who eats meat but is unable to kill the animal himself and/or has never seen how it is done live and in person, but that's another topic.

also, i guess you're completely fine with human consumption too? we're only an animal, one with a conscience. that's the major difference between us and our primape relatives. you're fine with cannibalism since meat is meat?

what argument do you have for that?


Since you seem to have such a great issue with my views that it took you two posts to sum up your anger, I'll just take the liberty to respond to both in one.


#1 Why is my opinion less relevant than yours?
Because I don't eat meat in general?


#2 Why do you assume I am not aware as to how dogs were used in human history? In my view of the world a dog doesn't stand higher than a pig. A sheep isn't above a cat. Can I relate more to dogs and cats than to pigs and sheep? Yes, definitely. Does that make them in any way superior or inferior from my personal moral point of view? No. That is my main reasoning why I'm for treating them all the same. And again, for me a person who can eat cows or pigs without a problem but suddenly has moral issues when it comes to a dog, cat or horse is a hypocrit.

Such a persons reasoning to eat one species but not another only shows that he or she refuses to acknowledge that those species are similar. While I do understand that view (how many of us can relate to a pig just like they can to a dog when you see the letter everywhere on a daily basis?), that doesn't make it less speciecist.

For you everything humans used to do for millions of years (e.g. hitting each other on the head to get his wife) is something that we should keep doing without thinking about it?


#3 You accuse me of claiming that everyone should be vegeterian, why exactly?


#4 ... and I just have to throw your quote right back at you, since you seem to have a problem with my view of the world:
the #1 problem with dog consumption? there is absolutely 0 reason to eat a dog compared to other ways to get food. this is 2012, there was many many many more ways that are also cheaper in order to get food onto someones plate.


So what? This is 2012. There is absolutely no reason to eat any animal compared to other ways to get food.* There are many many more ways that are also cheaper in order to get food onto someones plate. Putting a dog above a pig is not an inch better than putting a white person above a black or a christian above a jew.


#5 Personally I have no issue with cannibalism. I do have an issue with living beings harming other living beings though. The human body or mind isn't anything holy or special in my opinion. So, yes, I'd be one of the later guys to call someone a bad person if he decides to eat human meat. Also, obviously, I find it more disgusting than eating an animal, but in general I don't see a real difference. Since I'm assuming you're going to ask me if I'm cool with my mother, father or girlfriend being eaten after their death let me put it this way before it comes to that: I don't care if you want to eat humans, dogs or pigs. I find it all disgusting and would love it if everyone would stop with it as far as for him personally possible. However, I do care if you try to pull any of that shit to people and animals close to me.


(*)I'm aware that this statement isn't 100% accurate and/or that a life without any consumption of meat is exactly easy to pull off. Doesn't change the fact that eating a dog is still easier than what some other human degenerations of taste enjoy when it comes to what we consume.


Edit: After reading this post here:

On April 15 2012 13:07 Yst wrote:
If someone has a culturally based aversion to the consumption of dog (or horse), that's perfectly fine. They don't have to eat it. But if they express disgust for the choice of others to consume these meats, and judge them for it, while consuming the meats of equally intelligent animals, they're merely hypocrites.


...I'm not really sure if my #2 should stand as it is anymore. I think I actually DO find the "culturally based aversion" itself already hypocritical, but you got me thinking. Your point is probably ahead of mine there. <3
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Friedrich Nietzsche
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany171 Posts
April 15 2012 04:10 GMT
#180
On April 15 2012 12:12 smokeyhoodoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2012 11:55 Silidons wrote:
On April 15 2012 11:31 r.Evo wrote:
As a vegetarian I have the clear view that it's okay to eat dog meat if you eat other meat anyway. Why? Because I can't take people seriously who gladly eat pigs or cows but then suddenly dogs, horses or cats are "too cute" to eat them.

Actually I can't take anyone seriously who eats meat but is unable to kill the animal himself and/or has never seen how it is done live and in person, but that's another topic.

also, i guess you're completely fine with human consumption too? we're only an animal, one with a conscience. that's the major difference between us and our primape relatives. you're fine with cannibalism since meat is meat?

what argument do you have for that?


There's nothing inherently wrong with consumption of human flesh either. I wouldn't care if someone ate me after I was dead.

Would you eat human flesh given it is healthy (fresh)?
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