Shooting of Trayvon Martin - Page 75

On July 20 2012 03:53 dAPhREAk wrote:

this is a factual (not legal) question as far as i know, and the answer (in my mind) is yes because it can influence whether the other individual (in this case trayvon) perceived a threat that required him to react. however, if its a concealed weapon then the answer would be no because the other individual would not know about the weapon.

for example, if zimmerman pulled his gun and started following trayvon, and trayvon saw the gun and punched zimmerman in reaction to seeing the gun, i would consider zimmerman the "aggressor" since brandishing the gun and following trayvon "initially provoked the use of force against himself."

however, if zimmerman merely followed trayvon with a concealed gun, and trayvon did not see the gun but nevertheless punched zimmerman in reaction to being followed, i would not consider zimmerman the "aggressor" since merely following trayvon doesn't "initially provoked the use of force against himself."

of course, these are just hypotheticals to answer your question, and these are my opinions of how the facts play out.

On July 26 2012 23:41 Zorkmid wrote:


I didn't see the Hannity interview, but I just read an article here, that says that he shot Martin because "Martin told him he was going to die and made a move for Zimmerman's handgun".

He also said that Martin attacked him when "he reached for his cell phone, Zimmerman said, Martin punched his nose and broke it when When he reached for his cell phone, Zimmerman said, Martin punched his nose and broke it."

From those two statements that Zimmerman made, is it reasonable to assume that Zimmerman's gun was not concealed (or was drawn), or that Martin interpreted Zimmerman's alleged move for his cell as a move for his handgun?

edit: (I'm mostly asking dAPhREAk)

On July 20 2012 07:05 dAPhREAk wrote:

you mean the girlfriend who refused to talk to the police and gave her information through the family's attorney weeks after the fact? zimmerman has plenty of reasons to lie (as you correctly point out), but the girlfriend's testimony is suspect in my mind. plus, she was on the phone, she didnt see what was happening. not to get too technical, but there are hearsay issues for anything trayvon allegedly said to her on the phone. also, her testimony really isnt that inconsistent with zimmerman's account of what happened.

zimmerman didn't lie at the hearing, his wife allegedly did. he just stayed quiet while it happened.

edit: forgot the address thing, he said he was looking for the number for the houses. i certainly don't know the numbers of the houses around my neighborhood off the top of my head.

On August 10 2012 04:19 NEOtheONE wrote:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/09/tand-your-ground-hearing-could-potentially-clear-zimmerman-in-trayvon-martin/?icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl24|sec1_lnk3&pLid=190206

Apparently, the whole trial could be bypassed if a judge rules Zimmerman "stood his ground."

On August 10 2012 05:00 Lightwip wrote:
I could've sworn Florida's "special prosecutor" decided to bypass the grand jury.

On August 10 2012 05:00 Lightwip wrote:
I could've sworn Florida's "special prosecutor" decided to bypass the grand jury.

Judge Debra Nelson, in the George Zimmerman murder case, has granted defense access to the personal records and information of Trayvon Martin, who was shot to death by Zimmerman.

Circuit Judge Debra Nelson set a trial date for the George Zimmerman trial for June 10. Zimmerman is being charged for second-degree murder of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.

Earlier this month, Zimmerman attorney Mark O'Mara requested the court to delay the case claiming that the defense needed more time to prepare. It is unclear whether defense will attempt to push the date further than the one assigned by the court.

According to Orlando Sentinel, prosecutors Bernie de la Rionda predicts jury selection might take as long as the trial itself, given the huge media attention the case has received from the beginning of the incident.

On Tuesday, Donald West, one of the lawyers of George Zimmerman, filed a petition claiming that prosecution is not submitting the required evidence in a timely fashion. O'Mara is requesting Judge Debra S. Nelson to conduct monthly court hearings to ensure speedy and efficient submissions of evidence.

According to the motion filed by West and reported by the Associated Press, "The state's approach to discovery has been to require the defense to figure out what the state has failed to provide and then ask for it rather than fulfilling the state's legal obligation to provide complete and timely discovery."

Zimmerman was arrested in February for the killing of the 17-year-old, Zimmerman who was armed shot Martin after claiming that he was attacked by the teenager and fired in an act of self-defense. 28-year-old Zimmerman has maintained the claim to self-defense from the beginning of the case.

On Wednesday, Mark O'Mara, defense attorney to George Zimmerman, said that his witness would be given numbers as identities. O'Mara will submit a list of additional witness to Judge Debra Nelson on Thursday, while keeping their names unknown.

In October, O'Mara presented a list of police involved in the investigation of the murder of Trayvon Martin as well as his client's arrest at the trial.

The police usually provide testimonies for the state. But according to The Hispanic Business, O'Mara will be using this unusual strategy in defending his client who is being charged with second-degree murder of 17-year-old Martin.

The defense claims to currently have between 50-70 witnesses according to the Huffington Post. Zimmerman's legal team submitted a request to delay the trial, which is been set for June 10. O'Mara states that the defense needs additional time to prepare for the case.

Zimmerman was arrested in February for the killing of the 17-year-old, Zimmerman who was armed shot Martin after claiming that he was attacked by the teenager and fired in an act of self-defense. The 28-year-old Zimmerman has maintained the claim to self-defense from the beginning of the case.

In July, the Florida judge set Zimmerman's bail for $1 million, after previously revoking a $150,000 bond, for misleading the court about his finances.

He has been released from jail on bond, but under strict conditions including a round the clock GPS monitoring system.

Court hearing for trial has been set for June 10.

MIAMI — The judge in the Trayvon Martin murder case on Monday denied a prosecution request to bar lawyers for George Zimmerman from using a Web site about legal issues, as well as social and traditional news media, to comment about the case.

“There has not been an overriding pattern of prejudicial commentary that will overcome reasonable efforts to select a fair and impartial jury,” Judge Debra S. Nelson of Seminole County Circuit Court said in her ruling.

This is the second time the prosecution’s request has been denied. In April, Judge Kenneth Lester, the previous judge in the case, rejected a motion that lawyers be silenced on the Zimmerman matter outside the courtroom. Lawyers in the case sparred during a hearing on Friday over whether the prohibition, which also would have applied to the prosecution, was necessary to ensure an impartial jury. A trial is scheduled for June 10.

Lawyers for several news media organizations, including The New York Times, also had gone to court to oppose the request.

Mr. Zimmerman, 29, is charged with second-degree murder in the Feb. 26 shooting death of Mr. Martin, an unarmed 17-year-old, as he walked to a house in a Sanford, Fla., gated community where he was a guest. Mr. Zimmerman, who is free on bail, was the neighborhood watch leader and told the police that Mr. Martin appeared suspicious. The killing provoked widespread anger and attention around the country, calling into question Florida’s gun laws and whether racial profiling played a role in the killing of Mr. Martin, who was black.

Prosecutors requested the order once again, arguing that Mark O’Mara, Mr. Zimmerman’s lawyer, was jeopardizing the trial by making prejudicial statements to the traditional media and using a legal blog, Facebook page and Twitter posts to disseminate his opinions. The Facebook page is no longer active.

“Why was this Web site created?” Bernie de la Rionda, the prosecutor in the case, asked in court on Friday. “Was it done to influence public opinion? I would submit that is the real reason.”

But Mr. O’Mara told the judge on Friday that he made the unusual move of creating a legal Web site and using social media as a way to counter the volumes of negative publicity that surround Mr. Zimmerman. Mr. O’Mara said that early on in the case, the Martin family, through their lawyers and a publicist, unleashed a campaign to “sway national opinion” by portraying Mr. Zimmerman as a racist.

This is “why today he is wearing a bulletproof vest and living in hiding,” Mr. O’Mara said.

At the same time, the Martin family and their lawyers appeared routinely in the traditional news media and deftly used social media to make their case, Mr. O’Mara said, adding that he and his client also have a right to rebut what they see as inaccurate accusations.

“The case against Mr. Zimmerman was created far outside the facts that happened that night,” Mr. O’Mara said. “It is particularly relevant to look at the environment into which Mr. Zimmerman was thrown.”

On December 04 2012 08:49 Sufficiency wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/03/justice/george-zimmerman-photo/index.html?hpt=hp_c1

I really don't see Zimmerman losing the case now.

On December 04 2012 08:50 dAPhREAk wrote:

wow, you are fast. I was just about to post it.

On December 04 2012 08:55 Sufficiency wrote:


I think the case is basically fucked lol. I don't see how they can sustain the murder charge against him.

On December 04 2012 08:49 Sufficiency wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/03/justice/george-zimmerman-photo/index.html?hpt=hp_c1

I really don't see Zimmerman losing the case now.

On December 04 2012 09:04 Sub40APM wrote:

Why is that? Zimmerman stalked Martin, then assaulted him, then when Martin in self defense took the upper hand Zimmerman shot him. A murderer doesnt get of because his victim managed to get in some good hits before being killed.

On December 04 2012 09:04 Sub40APM wrote:

Why is that? Zimmerman stalked Martin, then assaulted him, then when Martin in self defense took the upper hand Zimmerman shot him. A murderer doesnt get of because his victim managed to get in some good hits before being killed.

On December 04 2012 09:04 Sub40APM wrote:

Why is that? Zimmerman stalked Martin, then assaulted him, then when Martin in self defense took the upper hand Zimmerman shot him. A murderer doesnt get of because his victim managed to get in some good hits before being killed.