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On July 02 2013 06:24 Defacer wrote:
Out of curiosity, do lawyers ever talk about a case seeming very one-sided and then the other side coming back from behind for the win? Do they see it as sport/A Few Good Men? Is there a hall of fame out there of the greatest comebacks in trial law of all time?
You mean Rain Maker or 12 Angry Men cases? I am sure there is one out there, but I don't know any off the top of my head. Most law is pretty dull and most Courtroom do not look like they do on TV.
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On July 02 2013 06:24 GorbadTheGreat wrote:
One of the most disturbing aspects of the case is the all-female jury. Nobody would even contemplate an all-male jury...that would lead to accusations of sexism. Yet the all-female jury is hardly being questioned.
pfft u obviously havent seen 12 angry men
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On July 02 2013 06:26 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 06:24 Defacer wrote:
Out of curiosity, do lawyers ever talk about a case seeming very one-sided and then the other side coming back from behind for the win? Do they see it as sport/A Few Good Men? Is there a hall of fame out there of the greatest comebacks in trial law of all time? You mean Rain Maker or 12 Angry Men cases? I am sure there is one out there, but I don't know any off the top of my head. Most law is pretty dull and most Courtroom do not look like they do on TV.
This is the first time I've watched this case live, and I actually find it kind of exciting, with all the colorful characters and high stakes and everything.
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On July 02 2013 06:26 AdamBanks wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 06:24 GorbadTheGreat wrote:
One of the most disturbing aspects of the case is the all-female jury. Nobody would even contemplate an all-male jury...that would lead to accusations of sexism. Yet the all-female jury is hardly being questioned. pfft u obviously havent seen 12 angry men
An amazing film in every way, even the remake. They even get the tiny details like the fact that jury rooms suck and sometimes don't have AC.
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On July 02 2013 06:28 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 06:26 Plansix wrote:On July 02 2013 06:24 Defacer wrote:
Out of curiosity, do lawyers ever talk about a case seeming very one-sided and then the other side coming back from behind for the win? Do they see it as sport/A Few Good Men? Is there a hall of fame out there of the greatest comebacks in trial law of all time? You mean Rain Maker or 12 Angry Men cases? I am sure there is one out there, but I don't know any off the top of my head. Most law is pretty dull and most Courtroom do not look like they do on TV. This is the first time I've watched this case live, and I actually find it kind of exciting, with all the colorful characters and high stakes and everything.
Criminal cases are far more exciting than civil cases. Those are dull as shit, while both sides try to stall out the case until they can get their clients to remember to be reasonable people. Criminal cases move with some speed and resolve in a reasonable period of time.
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Well there you have it. The lead investigator just testified that there is no witness who can say how the altercation began. All that were left with it is the collection of statements from Zimmerman on that point, which are all basically consistent, and the testimony of some of the neighbors -- most notably John Good.
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civil cases. Those are dull as shit, while both sides try to stall out the case until they can get their clients to remember to be reasonable people.
So right my mother is a civil attorney and I used to work part-time as her secretary and this is literally 60% of the job at least. Especially in domestic cases.
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Some civil cases can be pretty sexy. It just depends upon the subject matter.
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Back on topic, this is an absolutely crushing cross by O'Mara. Very well done.
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Cops love street names. I've been stopped at least three separate occasions by cops asking me what I'm doing out on the street at two in the morning, and two of those times they asked, "Hey, I'm not familiar with this area, what's that street down there by the lights?" Trying to see if I'm really local, I guess.
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sexual harassment civil cases are sexy (no pun intended) as well as most employment law cases.
civil isnt all bad; sometimes you get to review documents and listen to the trayvon martin trial.
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On July 02 2013 06:35 DeepElemBlues wrote:Show nested quote +civil cases. Those are dull as shit, while both sides try to stall out the case until they can get their clients to remember to be reasonable people. So right my mother is a civil attorney and I used to work part-time as her secretary and this is literally 60% of the job at least. Especially in domestic cases.
I can't deal with domestic cases. I tell my attorney not to take them, because we end up hating our clients so much we don't even want to charge them for fear of having to interact with them. There is a saying in law: When you work as a defense counsel, you see bad people on their best behavior. When you work in divorce/domestic law, you see good people on their worst behavior.
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So at that point, what happens, does the prosecution try to backpedal the case to negligent homicide or something ? There's no fucking way he'll be judged guilty to 2nd degree murder unless something gigantic happens. And if he gets released bad things will happen.
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So I've been meaning to ask this, why 6 jurors instead of 12? I don't know much about law, but I thought it was always 12.
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On July 02 2013 06:39 Microchaton wrote:
So at that point, what happens, does the prosecution try to backpedal the case to negligent homicide or something ? There's no fucking way he'll be judged guilty to 2nd degree murder unless something gigantic happens. And if he gets released bad things will happen.
Prepare for the riots. Doesn't seem like the prosecution has anything substantial left after using up all eye and ear witnesses..
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On July 02 2013 06:41 mastergriggy wrote:
So I've been meaning to ask this, why 6 jurors instead of 12? I don't know much about law, but I thought it was always 12.
Florida is six. twelve isnt required per Supreme Court.
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On July 02 2013 06:41 mastergriggy wrote:
So I've been meaning to ask this, why 6 jurors instead of 12? I don't know much about law, but I thought it was always 12.
Florida allows 6 jurors unless death penalty is considered, IIRC.
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On July 02 2013 06:41 mastergriggy wrote:
So I've been meaning to ask this, why 6 jurors instead of 12? I don't know much about law, but I thought it was always 12.
Florida is a strange land, filled with swamp gas that damages people's ability to do math.
That and their stay law likely requires 6 people and two alternates.
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On July 02 2013 06:39 Microchaton wrote:
So at that point, what happens, does the prosecution try to backpedal the case to negligent homicide or something ? There's no fucking way he'll be judged guilty to 2nd degree murder unless something gigantic happens. And if he gets released bad things will happen.
I think at this point, if Zimmerman is found guilty bad things will happen.
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On July 02 2013 06:41 ConGee wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 06:39 Microchaton wrote:
So at that point, what happens, does the prosecution try to backpedal the case to negligent homicide or something ? There's no fucking way he'll be judged guilty to 2nd degree murder unless something gigantic happens. And if he gets released bad things will happen. Prepare for the riots. Doesn't seem like the prosecution has anything substantial left after using up all eye and ear witnesses..
In all seriousness, after seeing how bad this case is going for the prosecution, I will be telling my friends to stay out of the state until after the ruling.
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