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On July 02 2013 07:10 Kaitlin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 07:02 xDaunt wrote:
My God. Personal injury attorneys say all of the time that it is never a good idea to try a case when the plaintiff's doctors aren't on the plaintiff's side. It looks like the equivalent of that rule for the State in criminal trials is to never try a case when the lead investigator isn't on your side. He just buttfucked the prosecution's case. Nancy Grace will be sure to tell America how well the prosecution is going and Zimmerman is certain to be convicted unless there is a travesty of justice for that poor, innocent black boy.
Is it bad that I'm actually kinda excited to watch Al Sharpton's show when Zimmerman is acquitted?
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On July 02 2013 07:15 SilverLeagueElite wrote:
Tragic for the Martins but I'm kinda starting to feel bad for Zimmerman. He has a history of being sympathetic towards blacks but is having his life ruined because of perceived racism on his part.
I don't feel bad for Zimmerman at all. He at least is getting his day in court, and is being tried by a court of law and his peers for his indiscretions
Martin was sentenced to death by Zimmerman.
It's like people are forgetting that he did technically kill a 17 year old who's only plans that night were to visit his dad. It might have been in self-defence but still. Worst. Neighborhood. Watch. Ever.
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On July 02 2013 07:24 Dosey wrote:
Damn, I missed the lead investigator. Was it really that bad?
Yes.
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On July 02 2013 07:25 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 07:15 SilverLeagueElite wrote:
Tragic for the Martins but I'm kinda starting to feel bad for Zimmerman. He has a history of being sympathetic towards blacks but is having his life ruined because of perceived racism on his part. I don't feel bad for Zimmerman at all. He at least is getting his day in court, and is being tried by a court of law and his peers for his indiscretions Martin was sentenced to death by Zimmerman. It's like people are forgetting that he did technically kill a 17 year old who's only plans that night were to visit his dad. It might have been in self-defence but still. Worst. Neighborhood. Watch. Ever.
Assuming Zimmerman's words are true, Martin sentenced himself to death.
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On July 02 2013 07:25 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 07:15 SilverLeagueElite wrote:
Tragic for the Martins but I'm kinda starting to feel bad for Zimmerman. He has a history of being sympathetic towards blacks but is having his life ruined because of perceived racism on his part. I don't feel bad for Zimmerman at all. He at least is getting his day in court, and is being tried by a court of law and his peers for his indiscretions Martin was sentenced to death by Zimmerman. It's like people are forgetting that he did technically kill a 17 year old who's only plans that night were to visit his dad. It might have been in self-defence but still. Worst. Neighborhood. Watch. Ever.
I wouldn't say worst ever. Maybe if he immediately shot him or something. But not for shooting him when he was in a fight. There's people at my work actually convinced that GZ slammed his own head into the ground to cause the cuts.
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On July 02 2013 07:25 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 07:15 SilverLeagueElite wrote:
Tragic for the Martins but I'm kinda starting to feel bad for Zimmerman. He has a history of being sympathetic towards blacks but is having his life ruined because of perceived racism on his part. I don't feel bad for Zimmerman at all. He at least is getting his day in court, and is being tried by a court of law and his peers for his indiscretions Martin was sentenced to death by Zimmerman. It's like people are forgetting that he did technically kill a 17 year old who's only plans that night were to visit his dad. It might have been in self-defence but still. Worst. Neighborhood. Watch. Ever.
Aims to protect neighborhood, shoots kid going home.
Worst. Neighborhood Watch. Ever. Indeed.
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At this point, you can decisively conclude that anyone you hear commenting on TV that the prosecution has a chance is completely full of shit and is only commenting in support of an agenda, such as creating violence upon an acquittal.
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George Zimmerman trial: Chris Serino, lead detective in case of Trayvon Martin killing, takes stand
Investigators closely questioned murder suspect George Zimmerman about whether he followed Trayvon Martin and whether he was in fear for his life in a videotaped recording of a Feb. 29, 2012 police interview played in court Monday.
"You basically jumped out of the car to see where he was going. That's not fear," said detective Chris Serino in the videotape.
Serino, the lead detective in the investigation, took the stand Monday afternoon. The jury watched the videotaped interview as Serino testified. They also watched a video of Zimmerman's re-enactment of the fatal altercation taped by police in his Sanford, Fla. gated community the day after the shooting.
Zimmerman is standing trial in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, a Florida teen who was walking to his father's fiancee's home in the community. Zimmerman claims he shot the teen in self-defense.
In the Feb. 29 interview tape, Serino and Det. Doris Singleton - who took the stand just before Serino - questioned Zimmerman about his assertion that he was afraid of Martin and didn't want to confront him.
"Did you ask what this person was doing out there?" Serino asks Zimmerman on the tape.
"No sir. I didn't want to confront him and it wasn't my job."
On the video, the detectives also question him about the profanity-laced language he used on a non-emergency call to describe suspicious people in his neighborhood --- "f---ing punks" and "these ---holes."
Zimmerman said he was referring to people that "victimize the neighborhood."
On the tape, detectives played portions of the call.
"You want to catch him. You want to catch the bad guy," Serino said. "F---ing punk can't get away. Did you pursue this kid? Did you want to catch him?"
Zimmerman said no.
Singleton asked Zimmerman again about why he left his car, implying the non-emergency call painted a different picture than the account he gave her immediately following the altercation. Earlier in the day Monday, the court heard an audio recording of the Feb. 26 interview as Singleton testified.
"You did not tell me that you said 'Oh (expletive), he's running, and you got out of the car at the same time," Singleton said on the Feb. 29 videotape. "You told me the only reason you got out of the car was to get an address."
Singleton repeatedly questioned Zimmerman as to whether he thought Martin might have been afraid of him.
"Can you see how that might frighten him, you'd been following him? Do you think he was scared? Do you think he thought you were trying to hurt him?" asks Singleton in the video.
Monday evening, defense attorney Mark O'Mara was cross-examining Serino. Court was expected to recess at 6 p.m. and resume again Tuesday morning, with more testimony from Serino.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57591875-504083/george-zimmerman-trial-chris-serino-lead-detective-in-case-of-trayvon-martin-killing-takes-stand/
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On July 02 2013 07:29 dAPhREAk wrote:George Zimmerman trial: Chris Serino, lead detective in case of Trayvon Martin killing, takes stand Show nested quote +Investigators closely questioned murder suspect George Zimmerman about whether he followed Trayvon Martin and whether he was in fear for his life in a videotaped recording of a Feb. 29, 2012 police interview played in court Monday.
"You basically jumped out of the car to see where he was going. That's not fear," said detective Chris Serino in the videotape.
Serino, the lead detective in the investigation, took the stand Monday afternoon. The jury watched the videotaped interview as Serino testified. They also watched a video of Zimmerman's re-enactment of the fatal altercation taped by police in his Sanford, Fla. gated community the day after the shooting.
Zimmerman is standing trial in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, a Florida teen who was walking to his father's fiancee's home in the community. Zimmerman claims he shot the teen in self-defense.
In the Feb. 29 interview tape, Serino and Det. Doris Singleton - who took the stand just before Serino - questioned Zimmerman about his assertion that he was afraid of Martin and didn't want to confront him.
"Did you ask what this person was doing out there?" Serino asks Zimmerman on the tape.
"No sir. I didn't want to confront him and it wasn't my job."
On the video, the detectives also question him about the profanity-laced language he used on a non-emergency call to describe suspicious people in his neighborhood --- "f---ing punks" and "these ---holes."
Zimmerman said he was referring to people that "victimize the neighborhood."
On the tape, detectives played portions of the call.
"You want to catch him. You want to catch the bad guy," Serino said. "F---ing punk can't get away. Did you pursue this kid? Did you want to catch him?"
Zimmerman said no.
Singleton asked Zimmerman again about why he left his car, implying the non-emergency call painted a different picture than the account he gave her immediately following the altercation. Earlier in the day Monday, the court heard an audio recording of the Feb. 26 interview as Singleton testified.
"You did not tell me that you said 'Oh (expletive), he's running, and you got out of the car at the same time," Singleton said on the Feb. 29 videotape. "You told me the only reason you got out of the car was to get an address."
Singleton repeatedly questioned Zimmerman as to whether he thought Martin might have been afraid of him.
"Can you see how that might frighten him, you'd been following him? Do you think he was scared? Do you think he thought you were trying to hurt him?" asks Singleton in the video.
Monday evening, defense attorney Mark O'Mara was cross-examining Serino. Court was expected to recess at 6 p.m. and resume again Tuesday morning, with more testimony from Serino. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57591875-504083/george-zimmerman-trial-chris-serino-lead-detective-in-case-of-trayvon-martin-killing-takes-stand/
They never give up.
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By the way, let's not pretend that Zimmerman will be getting off scot-free if he's acquitted. This past year and half has been hell for him and his family, who knows what kind of legal fees he has incurred, and he still faces the possibility of a civil wrongful death suit by the parents (though that is looking less likely now). Plus, who knows what kind of stigma that he's going to have to deal with in the future. He has paid and is continuing to pay a very steep price for doing something that probably will be determined to be completely legal.
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Monday evening, defense attorney Mark O'Mara was cross-examining Serino.
great job on the objective reporting CBS News.
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On July 02 2013 07:27 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 07:25 Defacer wrote:On July 02 2013 07:15 SilverLeagueElite wrote:
Tragic for the Martins but I'm kinda starting to feel bad for Zimmerman. He has a history of being sympathetic towards blacks but is having his life ruined because of perceived racism on his part. I don't feel bad for Zimmerman at all. He at least is getting his day in court, and is being tried by a court of law and his peers for his indiscretions Martin was sentenced to death by Zimmerman. It's like people are forgetting that he did technically kill a 17 year old who's only plans that night were to visit his dad. It might have been in self-defence but still. Worst. Neighborhood. Watch. Ever. Aims to protect neighborhood, shoots kid going home. Worst. Neighborhood Watch. Ever. Indeed.
Yeah, and the passengers on Flight 93 killed some foreign tourists resulting in crashing their plane and killing everyone onboard.
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On July 02 2013 07:27 SKC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 07:25 Defacer wrote:On July 02 2013 07:15 SilverLeagueElite wrote:
Tragic for the Martins but I'm kinda starting to feel bad for Zimmerman. He has a history of being sympathetic towards blacks but is having his life ruined because of perceived racism on his part. I don't feel bad for Zimmerman at all. He at least is getting his day in court, and is being tried by a court of law and his peers for his indiscretions Martin was sentenced to death by Zimmerman. It's like people are forgetting that he did technically kill a 17 year old who's only plans that night were to visit his dad. It might have been in self-defence but still. Worst. Neighborhood. Watch. Ever. Assuming Zimmerman's words are true, Martin sentenced himself to death.
This.
If I was in a fight with someone, and he reached for my gun saying, "You're dying tonight". I would make the snap judgment, then and there, to shoot him than be shot.
This is a very unfortunate situation for Zimmerman, but he is dealing with it quite well imo. People need to understand that hes under a magnifying glass by everyone, waiting for him to slip up, anything that can be used against him.
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On July 02 2013 07:31 dAPhREAk wrote:great job on the objective reporting CBS News.
Here's a more accurate one-liner:
Monday evening, defense attorney Mark O'Mara was on a honeymoon with Serino.
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On July 02 2013 07:32 Kaitlin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 07:27 Thieving Magpie wrote:On July 02 2013 07:25 Defacer wrote:On July 02 2013 07:15 SilverLeagueElite wrote:
Tragic for the Martins but I'm kinda starting to feel bad for Zimmerman. He has a history of being sympathetic towards blacks but is having his life ruined because of perceived racism on his part. I don't feel bad for Zimmerman at all. He at least is getting his day in court, and is being tried by a court of law and his peers for his indiscretions Martin was sentenced to death by Zimmerman. It's like people are forgetting that he did technically kill a 17 year old who's only plans that night were to visit his dad. It might have been in self-defence but still. Worst. Neighborhood. Watch. Ever. Aims to protect neighborhood, shoots kid going home. Worst. Neighborhood Watch. Ever. Indeed. Yeah, and the passengers on Flight 93 killed some foreign tourists resulting in crashing their plane and killing everyone onboard.
Worst vacation ever.
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On July 02 2013 07:27 SKC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 07:25 Defacer wrote:On July 02 2013 07:15 SilverLeagueElite wrote:
Tragic for the Martins but I'm kinda starting to feel bad for Zimmerman. He has a history of being sympathetic towards blacks but is having his life ruined because of perceived racism on his part. I don't feel bad for Zimmerman at all. He at least is getting his day in court, and is being tried by a court of law and his peers for his indiscretions Martin was sentenced to death by Zimmerman. It's like people are forgetting that he did technically kill a 17 year old who's only plans that night were to visit his dad. It might have been in self-defence but still. Worst. Neighborhood. Watch. Ever. Assuming Zimmerman's words are true, Martin sentenced himself to death.
Well, that's when it becomes a question of morals. If someone you were following turns around and beats you up, does that mean he deserves to get shot in the chest? Punishment doesn't fit the crime, IMO.
George Zimmerman may be innocent, and is probably only guilty of defending himself in the heat of the moment. But personally, I don't think Trayvon deserved to die for for how he reacted.
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On July 02 2013 07:25 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 07:15 SilverLeagueElite wrote:
Tragic for the Martins but I'm kinda starting to feel bad for Zimmerman. He has a history of being sympathetic towards blacks but is having his life ruined because of perceived racism on his part. I don't feel bad for Zimmerman at all. He at least is getting his day in court, and is being tried by a court of law and his peers for his indiscretions Martin was sentenced to death by Zimmerman. It's like people are forgetting that he did technically kill a 17 year old who's only plans that night were to visit his dad. It might have been in self-defence but still. Worst. Neighborhood. Watch. Ever.
"Sentenced to death" has a connotation to it that is not accurate in this context. You make it sound like he got Trayvon's story, then held a gun to his head and pulled the trigger. Handing down a sentence involves careful deliberation, something that Zimmerman didn't really have time for, wouldn't you say? That is a far cry from discharging a firearm during an altercation, and it resulting in a death.
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On July 02 2013 07:27 Infernal_dream wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 07:25 Defacer wrote:On July 02 2013 07:15 SilverLeagueElite wrote:
Tragic for the Martins but I'm kinda starting to feel bad for Zimmerman. He has a history of being sympathetic towards blacks but is having his life ruined because of perceived racism on his part. I don't feel bad for Zimmerman at all. He at least is getting his day in court, and is being tried by a court of law and his peers for his indiscretions Martin was sentenced to death by Zimmerman. It's like people are forgetting that he did technically kill a 17 year old who's only plans that night were to visit his dad. It might have been in self-defence but still. Worst. Neighborhood. Watch. Ever. I wouldn't say worst ever. Maybe if he immediately shot him or something. But not for shooting him when he was in a fight. There's people at my work actually convinced that GZ slammed his own head into the ground to cause the cuts.
My building has a Neighborhood Watch, and we have managed to kill 0 relatives of the people that live here. *pats himself on the back*
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On July 02 2013 07:31 Kaitlin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 07:29 dAPhREAk wrote:George Zimmerman trial: Chris Serino, lead detective in case of Trayvon Martin killing, takes stand Investigators closely questioned murder suspect George Zimmerman about whether he followed Trayvon Martin and whether he was in fear for his life in a videotaped recording of a Feb. 29, 2012 police interview played in court Monday.
"You basically jumped out of the car to see where he was going. That's not fear," said detective Chris Serino in the videotape.
Serino, the lead detective in the investigation, took the stand Monday afternoon. The jury watched the videotaped interview as Serino testified. They also watched a video of Zimmerman's re-enactment of the fatal altercation taped by police in his Sanford, Fla. gated community the day after the shooting.
Zimmerman is standing trial in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, a Florida teen who was walking to his father's fiancee's home in the community. Zimmerman claims he shot the teen in self-defense.
In the Feb. 29 interview tape, Serino and Det. Doris Singleton - who took the stand just before Serino - questioned Zimmerman about his assertion that he was afraid of Martin and didn't want to confront him.
"Did you ask what this person was doing out there?" Serino asks Zimmerman on the tape.
"No sir. I didn't want to confront him and it wasn't my job."
On the video, the detectives also question him about the profanity-laced language he used on a non-emergency call to describe suspicious people in his neighborhood --- "f---ing punks" and "these ---holes."
Zimmerman said he was referring to people that "victimize the neighborhood."
On the tape, detectives played portions of the call.
"You want to catch him. You want to catch the bad guy," Serino said. "F---ing punk can't get away. Did you pursue this kid? Did you want to catch him?"
Zimmerman said no.
Singleton asked Zimmerman again about why he left his car, implying the non-emergency call painted a different picture than the account he gave her immediately following the altercation. Earlier in the day Monday, the court heard an audio recording of the Feb. 26 interview as Singleton testified.
"You did not tell me that you said 'Oh (expletive), he's running, and you got out of the car at the same time," Singleton said on the Feb. 29 videotape. "You told me the only reason you got out of the car was to get an address."
Singleton repeatedly questioned Zimmerman as to whether he thought Martin might have been afraid of him.
"Can you see how that might frighten him, you'd been following him? Do you think he was scared? Do you think he thought you were trying to hurt him?" asks Singleton in the video.
Monday evening, defense attorney Mark O'Mara was cross-examining Serino. Court was expected to recess at 6 p.m. and resume again Tuesday morning, with more testimony from Serino. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57591875-504083/george-zimmerman-trial-chris-serino-lead-detective-in-case-of-trayvon-martin-killing-takes-stand/ They never give up.
You know, I never was really convinced that the media straight up lies as much as some people say they do, until this case.
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On July 02 2013 07:36 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 07:27 SKC wrote:On July 02 2013 07:25 Defacer wrote:On July 02 2013 07:15 SilverLeagueElite wrote:
Tragic for the Martins but I'm kinda starting to feel bad for Zimmerman. He has a history of being sympathetic towards blacks but is having his life ruined because of perceived racism on his part. I don't feel bad for Zimmerman at all. He at least is getting his day in court, and is being tried by a court of law and his peers for his indiscretions Martin was sentenced to death by Zimmerman. It's like people are forgetting that he did technically kill a 17 year old who's only plans that night were to visit his dad. It might have been in self-defence but still. Worst. Neighborhood. Watch. Ever. Assuming Zimmerman's words are true, Martin sentenced himself to death. Well, that's when it becomes a question of morals. If someone you were following turns around and beats you up, does that mean he deserves to get shot in the chest? Punishment doesn't fit the crime, IMO. George Zimmerman may be innocent, and is probably only guilty of defending himself in the heat of the moment. But personally, I don't think Trayvon deserved to die for for how he reacted.
He reacted by punching someone in the face, getting on top of him, slamming his head on the sidewalk and attempting to grab his weapon while saying "you are going to die". This is Zimmermann's version of the history. This whole trial is showing how hard it is to prove that Zimmermann is lying.
I personally don't think it has to have happened exactly like he said, but according to his version Martin did indeed deserve such reaction. But thinking it probally didn't happen exactly like that is, thankfully, not enough to convict anyone. And it shouldn't be enough to submit that person to a witchhunt such as the one he received.
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