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Lassepetri
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark112 Posts
March 26 2012 16:58 GMT
#21
Well thats marvelous for Stephen Fry - whoever he is - as long as he doesn't start pretending he's talking for everyone. If he think he can bypass social norms by thinking like that, then he can go ahead for all I care.
Empiristic bullcrap
AwayFromLife
Profile Joined August 2011
United States441 Posts
March 26 2012 16:58 GMT
#22
On March 27 2012 01:51 decerto wrote:
"I don't think you should just be able to just say whatever the hell you want", then you probably shouldnt be living in a country where its built into your constitution

Apparently you didn't finish reading. It's great to say whatever you want, but you should also be prepared for other people to voice their opinions at what you say. I see so many online arguments (usually pirating, religion, or dumb things like consoles) turn into:

-I'm offended by that, that's not a polite thing to say.
-I don't care if you're offended, this is America! So FUCK YOU!

If you purposefully say something that offends someone else, that's your right, but that person also has a right to get pissed about it, not get ridiculed for getting riled up over your obviously vitriolic words. If you insult someone and they sock you in the face, it seems stupid to say "Oh, but you're just too easily offended, I can say whatever I want so don't hit me."
Crushgroove
Profile Joined July 2010
United States793 Posts
March 26 2012 17:00 GMT
#23
On March 27 2012 01:36 AwayFromLife wrote:


I'm a bit torn on it, myself. I think it's stupid to get offended over little things:



Problem with this is that what constitutes a "little thing" is a matter of perspective. Ultimately, who gives a fuck? No matter what the action or speech is, someone somewhere will likely find it offensive, so just don't bother worrying about it unless your career or an important relationship is particularly at risk. Then say it anyway, and apologize later.

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Sveet
Profile Joined November 2010
United States86 Posts
March 26 2012 17:00 GMT
#24
Sometimes reality hurts. If someone calls you fat, and its true, you have no right to be offended. Emotional responses are normal to humans, but one must learn to master those urges.
Lassepetri
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark112 Posts
March 26 2012 17:01 GMT
#25
On March 27 2012 02:00 Sveet wrote:
Sometimes reality hurts. If someone calls you fat, and its true, you have no right to be offended. Emotional responses are normal to humans, but one must learn to master those urges.


Like an urge to call someone fat?
Empiristic bullcrap
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
March 26 2012 17:01 GMT
#26
Was just going to post that one from Steve Hughes. Offended people should just grow up, at least a lot of the time.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
AwayFromLife
Profile Joined August 2011
United States441 Posts
March 26 2012 17:03 GMT
#27
On March 27 2012 02:00 Sveet wrote:
Sometimes reality hurts. If someone calls you fat, and its true, you have no right to be offended. Emotional responses are normal to humans, but one must learn to master those urges.

It depends in that case, though. Are you calling someone fat just to be a dick? Or are you pointing it out as an observation?

If it's like schoolyard bullying and you're picking on a kid because of his weight, he has every right to be offended. If you just say "hey man, you should work out a bit, that's not healthy", then no, they probably shouldn't be.
AwayFromLife
Profile Joined August 2011
United States441 Posts
March 26 2012 17:05 GMT
#28
On March 27 2012 02:01 Djzapz wrote:
Was just going to post that one from Steve Hughes. Offended people should just grow up, at least a lot of the time.

But again, like I said, it depends. Should that audience have just "grown up" when Michael Richards (the Kramer guy) stood on stage and just said the N-word repeatedly? No, I think they were well within their rights to get pissed at him.
RA
Profile Joined October 2008
Latvia791 Posts
March 26 2012 17:07 GMT
#29
Bottomline isn't just about being less whiny or crybaby, it's about being less cocky, insensitve and rude, too.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-26 17:08:28
March 26 2012 17:07 GMT
#30
On March 27 2012 02:05 AwayFromLife wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 02:01 Djzapz wrote:
Was just going to post that one from Steve Hughes. Offended people should just grow up, at least a lot of the time.

But again, like I said, it depends. Should that audience have just "grown up" when Michael Richards (the Kramer guy) stood on stage and just said the N-word repeatedly? No, I think they were well within their rights to get pissed at him.

What's your rationale for that? Just because? The audience shouldn't give a fuck, it doesn't hurt them unless they let it.

And like Louis C.K said, what's that bullshit with saying "n-word", everyone knows what it means, man up and type it.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-26 17:10:47
March 26 2012 17:08 GMT
#31
On March 27 2012 01:51 decerto wrote:
"I don't think you should just be able to just say whatever the hell you want", then you probably shouldnt be living in a country where its built into your constitution


No, it isn't built into our constitution. What is built into the constitution is a protection from criminal charges when you speak your mind, that does not mean you have protection from social consequences or other consequences. Yes you have the right to insult anyone and everyone you want, or say whatever you want that is offensive, but you can still be punished for it. Try calling your boss a raging asshole and then tell him to fuck off and see if you get to keep your job.

"But I have the right to free speech!" No, no you have the right to say what you want without consequences from the law, not from all consequences period.

And the law doesn't even extend to all circumstances: try shouting fire in a crowded theater when there is no fire and see what happens to you.



As for being offended: if someone says something deliberately offensive, then chances are pretty good they intended for you to be offended. Yes, it's silly to state how you feel about something for no other reason than to state it, it doesn't really have any purpose other than to share information most people don't care about. That said, offending people probably isn't a very good way to get anything useful done.
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
Rob28
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada705 Posts
March 26 2012 17:09 GMT
#32
I was raised to know that you shouldn't point out/comment on/ridicule things that are outside of a person's control (skin color, gender, handicaps, etc.), but that things within a person's control are fair game (shitty clothes, bad hygeine, ugly hairstyles, stupid behaviour). I think being offended by something works on a similar principle for me. I can't realistically get offended by something within my control, and I believe others shouldn't get offended by it either. But if it's not controllable, then it's ok to get upset when someone says something that offends you on it.

I should also note that I'm kinda an offensive prick with a thick skin, so really the people who can't deal tend to get cycled out of my life fast anyways.
"power overwhelming"... work, dammit, work!
AwayFromLife
Profile Joined August 2011
United States441 Posts
March 26 2012 17:10 GMT
#33
On March 27 2012 02:07 Djzapz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 02:05 AwayFromLife wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:01 Djzapz wrote:
Was just going to post that one from Steve Hughes. Offended people should just grow up, at least a lot of the time.

But again, like I said, it depends. Should that audience have just "grown up" when Michael Richards (the Kramer guy) stood on stage and just said the N-word repeatedly? No, I think they were well within their rights to get pissed at him.

What's your rationale for that? Just because? The audience shouldn't give a fuck, it doesn't hurt them unless they let it.

Have you seen the video for it?



It wasn't that he used the word in a joke, he was actually genuinely being racist for the sake of being racist, putting another person down because of the color of their skin. And everyone should have just stayed silent and condoned it?

No, that's fucked up, imo.
RDaneelOlivaw
Profile Joined April 2011
Vatican City State733 Posts
March 26 2012 17:10 GMT
#34
On March 27 2012 01:58 Lassepetri wrote:
Well thats marvelous for Stephen Fry - whoever he is - as long as he doesn't start pretending he's talking for everyone. If he think he can bypass social norms by thinking like that, then he can go ahead for all I care.

Social norms are one thing. The whole "offended" idea has gotten way out of hand though. No, you shouldn't go out of your way to irritate your fellow humans, but your fellow humans also need to learn to deal with viewpoints that challenge their own
WaesumNinja
Profile Joined February 2012
210 Posts
March 26 2012 17:11 GMT
#35
Adding this one into the mix

DawN883
Profile Joined November 2011
Sweden558 Posts
March 26 2012 17:11 GMT
#36
I agree with OP. Most of the time people shouldn't be offended by the most trivial of things. But then again there will always be people that doesn't care that others are offended by their plainly idiotic statements.
If the dead are not raised, Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die
GloPikkle
Profile Joined October 2010
United States197 Posts
March 26 2012 17:13 GMT
#37
If you're going to tell other people to not be offended, then don't be offended if someone says or does something that attacks something that you value as well.

Honestly, you don't know why the person is getting offended so hold off on the judgement and just respect their dignity. You don't have to agree, understand, or believe the same thing to respect someone else. They may just be really immature and not have any self-awareness, but that's their problem. Or maybe they've experienced significant prejudice, hardship or pain and they feel violated.

It doesn't take much to just shut your mouth and not feel entitled to judge others. If they're a baby, let them be a baby, you don't have to be one too.
MethodSC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States928 Posts
March 26 2012 17:15 GMT
#38
On March 27 2012 01:58 Lassepetri wrote:
Well thats marvelous for Stephen Fry - whoever he is - as long as he doesn't start pretending he's talking for everyone. If he think he can bypass social norms by thinking like that, then he can go ahead for all I care.


What a ridiculous way of thinking. Idealism is strong in this one.
xenobarf
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden47 Posts
March 26 2012 17:17 GMT
#39
On March 27 2012 01:36 AwayFromLife wrote:
So my friend and I were having a discussion about this Stephen Fry quote the other day:

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I'm a bit torn on it, myself. I think it's stupid to get offended over little things:
-"Oh, you want to lift that for me because I'm a woman? That's offensive!" "No bitch, that's called being polite."
-"You think I'm a criminal because I'm black? That's offensive!" "No sir, we pat everyone down in the airport."

So I can understand where the quote comes from. People get offended over every little thing. Hell, comedians and shows like South Park get yelled at all the time for being offensive when it's very clear they're just saying those things as jokes.

But on the other hand, I see people use this quote (or some variation thereof) to justify the stupidest things. Extreme racism, putting people down, and (most controversially) religion/atheism.

There's definitely a difference between getting offended at comments that don't mean anything and comments that are meant to be scathing and offensive.

I don't think you should just be able to just say whatever the hell you want, then get away by saying "Oh, if you get offended, you're just closed-minded." If you say something that's intended to be cruel towards someone, you should expect them to say something back.

Anyway, what are your thought, TL?


Thoughts are as follows, either we have free speech or we do not, there is no middle area. Personally I'm for free speech.

The idea of getting offended is indeed stupid when used in todays world because people feel just because they have been offended there has to be some kind of measure against whatever they were offended against.
If people want to point out that black people are infact black and that being black is bad then by all means, that doesnt mean we cant just shun these people and look upon them as idiots.

As for whenever people point out religion as if though its actually part of a person in the same sense that being of a certain ethnicity is, I always laugh.
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6642 Posts
March 26 2012 17:17 GMT
#40
On March 27 2012 01:58 Lassepetri wrote:
Well thats marvelous for Stephen Fry - whoever he is - as long as he doesn't start pretending he's talking for everyone. If he think he can bypass social norms by thinking like that, then he can go ahead for all I care.

The fact that you don't know who Stephen Fry is offends me.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions | aka Probert[PaiN] @ iccup / godlikeparagon @ twitch | my BW stream: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/jello_biafra
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