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Lassepetri
Denmark112 Posts
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AwayFromLife
United States441 Posts
On March 27 2012 01:51 decerto wrote: "I don't think you should just be able to just say whatever the hell you want", then you probably shouldnt be living in a country where its built into your constitution Apparently you didn't finish reading. It's great to say whatever you want, but you should also be prepared for other people to voice their opinions at what you say. I see so many online arguments (usually pirating, religion, or dumb things like consoles) turn into: -I'm offended by that, that's not a polite thing to say. -I don't care if you're offended, this is America! So FUCK YOU! If you purposefully say something that offends someone else, that's your right, but that person also has a right to get pissed about it, not get ridiculed for getting riled up over your obviously vitriolic words. If you insult someone and they sock you in the face, it seems stupid to say "Oh, but you're just too easily offended, I can say whatever I want so don't hit me." | ||
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Crushgroove
United States793 Posts
On March 27 2012 01:36 AwayFromLife wrote: I'm a bit torn on it, myself. I think it's stupid to get offended over little things: Problem with this is that what constitutes a "little thing" is a matter of perspective. Ultimately, who gives a fuck? No matter what the action or speech is, someone somewhere will likely find it offensive, so just don't bother worrying about it unless your career or an important relationship is particularly at risk. Then say it anyway, and apologize later. | ||
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Sveet
United States86 Posts
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Lassepetri
Denmark112 Posts
On March 27 2012 02:00 Sveet wrote: Sometimes reality hurts. If someone calls you fat, and its true, you have no right to be offended. Emotional responses are normal to humans, but one must learn to master those urges. Like an urge to call someone fat? | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
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AwayFromLife
United States441 Posts
On March 27 2012 02:00 Sveet wrote: Sometimes reality hurts. If someone calls you fat, and its true, you have no right to be offended. Emotional responses are normal to humans, but one must learn to master those urges. It depends in that case, though. Are you calling someone fat just to be a dick? Or are you pointing it out as an observation? If it's like schoolyard bullying and you're picking on a kid because of his weight, he has every right to be offended. If you just say "hey man, you should work out a bit, that's not healthy", then no, they probably shouldn't be. | ||
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AwayFromLife
United States441 Posts
On March 27 2012 02:01 Djzapz wrote: Was just going to post that one from Steve Hughes. Offended people should just grow up, at least a lot of the time. But again, like I said, it depends. Should that audience have just "grown up" when Michael Richards (the Kramer guy) stood on stage and just said the N-word repeatedly? No, I think they were well within their rights to get pissed at him. | ||
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RA
Latvia791 Posts
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On March 27 2012 02:05 AwayFromLife wrote: But again, like I said, it depends. Should that audience have just "grown up" when Michael Richards (the Kramer guy) stood on stage and just said the N-word repeatedly? No, I think they were well within their rights to get pissed at him. What's your rationale for that? Just because? The audience shouldn't give a fuck, it doesn't hurt them unless they let it. And like Louis C.K said, what's that bullshit with saying "n-word", everyone knows what it means, man up and type it. | ||
Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On March 27 2012 01:51 decerto wrote: "I don't think you should just be able to just say whatever the hell you want", then you probably shouldnt be living in a country where its built into your constitution No, it isn't built into our constitution. What is built into the constitution is a protection from criminal charges when you speak your mind, that does not mean you have protection from social consequences or other consequences. Yes you have the right to insult anyone and everyone you want, or say whatever you want that is offensive, but you can still be punished for it. Try calling your boss a raging asshole and then tell him to fuck off and see if you get to keep your job. "But I have the right to free speech!" No, no you have the right to say what you want without consequences from the law, not from all consequences period. And the law doesn't even extend to all circumstances: try shouting fire in a crowded theater when there is no fire and see what happens to you. As for being offended: if someone says something deliberately offensive, then chances are pretty good they intended for you to be offended. Yes, it's silly to state how you feel about something for no other reason than to state it, it doesn't really have any purpose other than to share information most people don't care about. That said, offending people probably isn't a very good way to get anything useful done. | ||
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Rob28
Canada705 Posts
I should also note that I'm kinda an offensive prick with a thick skin, so really the people who can't deal tend to get cycled out of my life fast anyways. | ||
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AwayFromLife
United States441 Posts
On March 27 2012 02:07 Djzapz wrote: What's your rationale for that? Just because? The audience shouldn't give a fuck, it doesn't hurt them unless they let it. Have you seen the video for it? It wasn't that he used the word in a joke, he was actually genuinely being racist for the sake of being racist, putting another person down because of the color of their skin. And everyone should have just stayed silent and condoned it? No, that's fucked up, imo. | ||
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RDaneelOlivaw
Vatican City State733 Posts
On March 27 2012 01:58 Lassepetri wrote: Well thats marvelous for Stephen Fry - whoever he is - as long as he doesn't start pretending he's talking for everyone. If he think he can bypass social norms by thinking like that, then he can go ahead for all I care. Social norms are one thing. The whole "offended" idea has gotten way out of hand though. No, you shouldn't go out of your way to irritate your fellow humans, but your fellow humans also need to learn to deal with viewpoints that challenge their own | ||
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WaesumNinja
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DawN883
Sweden558 Posts
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GloPikkle
United States197 Posts
Honestly, you don't know why the person is getting offended so hold off on the judgement and just respect their dignity. You don't have to agree, understand, or believe the same thing to respect someone else. They may just be really immature and not have any self-awareness, but that's their problem. Or maybe they've experienced significant prejudice, hardship or pain and they feel violated. It doesn't take much to just shut your mouth and not feel entitled to judge others. If they're a baby, let them be a baby, you don't have to be one too. | ||
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MethodSC
United States928 Posts
On March 27 2012 01:58 Lassepetri wrote: Well thats marvelous for Stephen Fry - whoever he is - as long as he doesn't start pretending he's talking for everyone. If he think he can bypass social norms by thinking like that, then he can go ahead for all I care. What a ridiculous way of thinking. Idealism is strong in this one. | ||
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xenobarf
Sweden47 Posts
On March 27 2012 01:36 AwayFromLife wrote: So my friend and I were having a discussion about this Stephen Fry quote the other day: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/EX5v4.jpg) I'm a bit torn on it, myself. I think it's stupid to get offended over little things: -"Oh, you want to lift that for me because I'm a woman? That's offensive!" "No bitch, that's called being polite." -"You think I'm a criminal because I'm black? That's offensive!" "No sir, we pat everyone down in the airport." So I can understand where the quote comes from. People get offended over every little thing. Hell, comedians and shows like South Park get yelled at all the time for being offensive when it's very clear they're just saying those things as jokes. But on the other hand, I see people use this quote (or some variation thereof) to justify the stupidest things. Extreme racism, putting people down, and (most controversially) religion/atheism. There's definitely a difference between getting offended at comments that don't mean anything and comments that are meant to be scathing and offensive. I don't think you should just be able to just say whatever the hell you want, then get away by saying "Oh, if you get offended, you're just closed-minded." If you say something that's intended to be cruel towards someone, you should expect them to say something back. Anyway, what are your thought, TL? Thoughts are as follows, either we have free speech or we do not, there is no middle area. Personally I'm for free speech. The idea of getting offended is indeed stupid when used in todays world because people feel just because they have been offended there has to be some kind of measure against whatever they were offended against. If people want to point out that black people are infact black and that being black is bad then by all means, that doesnt mean we cant just shun these people and look upon them as idiots. As for whenever people point out religion as if though its actually part of a person in the same sense that being of a certain ethnicity is, I always laugh. | ||
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6642 Posts
On March 27 2012 01:58 Lassepetri wrote: Well thats marvelous for Stephen Fry - whoever he is - as long as he doesn't start pretending he's talking for everyone. If he think he can bypass social norms by thinking like that, then he can go ahead for all I care. The fact that you don't know who Stephen Fry is offends me. | ||
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