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meatbox
Profile Joined August 2011
Australia349 Posts
March 26 2012 17:33 GMT
#61
It's hard to offend someone in Australia where we call our mates c**** and strangers mates.

I'm blatantly 'racist' to my chain dragging convict anglo friends, call my german mate a nazi all the time, and they make fun of my arabian heritage.

it's about delivery more than anything, if you are offended by anything said on the internet...
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MaddogStarCraft
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada64 Posts
March 26 2012 17:34 GMT
#62
On March 27 2012 02:31 AwayFromLife wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 02:25 Faggatron wrote:
Context:

He's talking about having to tiptoe around religious people because they might be "offended" by criticisms of it.

Well, even in that regard, there's a line to be drawn. There's a difference between talking calmly and kindly about differences in religion, and screaming at one another because you don't believe in the same thing.

I'm a believer, and I would never insult anyone of a different religion, and I don't make fun of my atheist friends. I don't get upset when a non-believer asks me why I believe in God, but I do get my jimmies rustled when someone immediately identifies me as a bible-thumping idiot and claims superiority over me for my beliefs.


Yes but here is the problem you support an organization (the church) that is responsible for millions of deaths.

So you support an organization that has used mass genocide, mass murder, rape, enslavement and torture. You sound like you support the Nazi's.

That's why I find "offence" in you even being part of that organization.

Let alone the fact that you are belittling the logic of all of humanity by thinking that there is a mystical man in the sky.
Lassepetri
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark112 Posts
March 26 2012 17:34 GMT
#63
People, like Stephen-whatshisname, try to generalize moral and ethics, which is just downright ignorant. As I see it, it's a part of your human empathy to give a shit. If you dont thats fine but dont be a dick about it because whats the purpose? The quote OP presented is, to me, a very populist, very modern, narcissist viewpoint. The sad thing is when people take it as more than just that - a viewpoint.

On March 27 2012 02:15 MethodSC wrote:
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On March 27 2012 01:58 Lassepetri wrote:
Well thats marvelous for Stephen Fry - whoever he is - as long as he doesn't start pretending he's talking for everyone. If he think he can bypass social norms by thinking like that, then he can go ahead for all I care.


What a ridiculous way of thinking. Idealism is strong in this one.


What a ridiculous answer. Shall we find our clubs of idiocy and start hacking at each other? Oh wait thats right we don't have to.

On March 27 2012 02:17 jello_biafra wrote:
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On March 27 2012 01:58 Lassepetri wrote:
Well thats marvelous for Stephen Fry - whoever he is - as long as he doesn't start pretending he's talking for everyone. If he think he can bypass social norms by thinking like that, then he can go ahead for all I care.

The fact that you don't know who Stephen Fry is offends me.


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Empiristic bullcrap
Ashenshugar
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden13 Posts
March 26 2012 17:35 GMT
#64
I believe in a simple answer to this.. Anything that offends you is your problem. If something offends you, stop being around that "it" or figure out some way to stop being offended by it if you insist on being around it..

I've been offended by things previously which no longer offends me, because I used my mind to think & ponder why something offended me and thus I uprooted the cause & as such I was never offended again.. .. .. by that which I uprooted.

and I still get offended to this day by many things, doesn't mean I cry "you offended me!" I merely see many tree's and stumps in myself in which to uproot because the problem lies in me, not in that which offends me.
nalgene
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada2153 Posts
March 26 2012 17:35 GMT
#65
Isn't there something called "Fighting Words" in the US...?
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amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
March 26 2012 17:35 GMT
#66
Being offended states that you have no control over your emotions and thus wants other to control it for you.
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
Chessz
Profile Joined August 2010
United States644 Posts
March 26 2012 17:36 GMT
#67
I'm tired of hearing from privileged white males being tired of other people being offended. I don't give a fuck whether anyone is offended. What I care about is harm.

This fantastic blog post echoes my view and argues very elegantly for taking care of the cultural narratives we cultivate:

http://finenessandaccuracy.wordpress.com/2010/01/13/i-dont-care-if-youre-offended/
rlordisme
Profile Joined July 2011
United States11 Posts
March 26 2012 17:38 GMT
#68
You have the right to say what you like and I have the right to be offended by it.
polysciguy
Profile Joined August 2010
United States488 Posts
March 26 2012 17:38 GMT
#69
On March 27 2012 02:35 nalgene wrote:
Isn't there something called "Fighting Words" in the US...?

yes, its the reason you can be arrested for attempting to incite a riot. if the words are meant to incite to violent action, they aren't protected speech
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AwayFromLife
Profile Joined August 2011
United States441 Posts
March 26 2012 17:38 GMT
#70
On March 27 2012 02:34 MaddogStarCraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 02:31 AwayFromLife wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:25 Faggatron wrote:
Context:

He's talking about having to tiptoe around religious people because they might be "offended" by criticisms of it.

Well, even in that regard, there's a line to be drawn. There's a difference between talking calmly and kindly about differences in religion, and screaming at one another because you don't believe in the same thing.

I'm a believer, and I would never insult anyone of a different religion, and I don't make fun of my atheist friends. I don't get upset when a non-believer asks me why I believe in God, but I do get my jimmies rustled when someone immediately identifies me as a bible-thumping idiot and claims superiority over me for my beliefs.


Yes but here is the problem you support an organization (the church) that is responsible for millions of deaths.

So you support an organization that has used mass genocide, mass murder, rape, enslavement and torture. You sound like you support the Nazi's.

That's why I find "offence" in you even being part of that organization.

Let alone the fact that you are belittling the logic of all of humanity by thinking that there is a mystical man in the sky.

I also choose to live in America, so does that mean I support the genocide of Native Americans, the use of minorities as slave labor, and using nuclear weapons on civilians? Because Americans have done all that in the past.

Extremism statements are silly. I don't condone everything the organizations I'm part of have done in the past (I live in Illinois, but I think selling Senate seats is wrong. How craAazy), and if you think every single person of faith does, you're an idiot.
goldenwitch
Profile Joined August 2010
United States338 Posts
March 26 2012 17:38 GMT
#71
I can't believe the tendency of people to throw everything into two categories. Do you all have borderline personality?

Perhaps instead of looking at it like, "People should never be offended," or "People should always be allowed to be offended." You instead try a more middle of the road approach like, "Each case should be individually examined for the legitimacy of the offense."

Irrationally causing harm to other people, regardless of whether or not it is intentional will almost always be offensive.
BoX
Profile Joined July 2003
United States214 Posts
March 26 2012 17:39 GMT
#72
Oh god, a post whose topic of debate is centered on values that are SUPER SUBJECTIVE, on a forum full of geniuses?

I like where this is going!
Fyrewolf
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1533 Posts
March 26 2012 17:39 GMT
#73
I totally agree that it is a whine. When someone says they are offended, they really mean their feelings were hurt. So fucking what? Feelings get hurt, that's part of life. If you intentionally offend someone to hurt their feelings it's not nice. But there is no law against being mean to someone. In fact, capitalism encourages not caring about feelings, but only about profits. People act like they have a right not to be offended, but they don't. You don't have a right not to have your feelings hurt. When you live in a society, it will happen. 7 billion people can't all get their way.
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Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
March 26 2012 17:39 GMT
#74
On March 27 2012 02:32 xenobarf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 02:27 Cascade wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:17 xenobarf wrote:
Thoughts are as follows, either we have free speech or we do not, there is no middle area. Personally I'm for free speech.

Happy birthday, but really? No middle area?

(Everything allowed to say) ------------------------- (???????????????) ---------------------------------- (nothing allowed to say)

Any ideas of what could go in a middle area?
(Hint, think of how it is in Sweden.)


The problem is that if we go into it trying to define a middle area, the who does this? All human beings are infallible and or biased in some form or another.

And yes, I agree that going around throwing racial slurs or doing salutes to Hitler is not a nice thing.

Yeah, it's crazy hard to decide what things are ok to say, and which are simply not ok. And different people have different opinions as you say. There is no single right answer, and it is certainly different in different places and at different times.

The ones to decide and enforce it should be the same people that decide and enforce what you are allowed to DO, rather than SAY. Which will be some kind democratically elected (well, in several steps, representative w/e don't know the terms) group of people and some kind of police force.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
March 26 2012 17:39 GMT
#75
Stephen Frye again.

Likewise, this again:

On March 27 2012 02:01 Djzapz wrote:
Was just going to post that one from Steve Hughes. Offended people should just grow up, at least a lot of the time.


This topic has been discussed to death on these forums. I've seen those videos at least four times on these forums within the last year. X_X
PanN
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2828 Posts
March 26 2012 17:39 GMT
#76
On March 27 2012 02:36 Chessz wrote:
I'm tired of hearing from privileged white males being tired of other people being offended. I don't give a fuck whether anyone is offended. What I care about is harm.

This fantastic blog post echoes my view and argues very elegantly for taking care of the cultural narratives we cultivate:

http://finenessandaccuracy.wordpress.com/2010/01/13/i-dont-care-if-youre-offended/


Maybe you'd prefer hearing it from privileged black people? How about privileged brown people? Maybe even privileged purple people? Ooh! How about green!?
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MaddogStarCraft
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada64 Posts
March 26 2012 17:40 GMT
#77
On March 27 2012 02:38 AwayFromLife wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 02:34 MaddogStarCraft wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:31 AwayFromLife wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:25 Faggatron wrote:
Context:

He's talking about having to tiptoe around religious people because they might be "offended" by criticisms of it.

Well, even in that regard, there's a line to be drawn. There's a difference between talking calmly and kindly about differences in religion, and screaming at one another because you don't believe in the same thing.

I'm a believer, and I would never insult anyone of a different religion, and I don't make fun of my atheist friends. I don't get upset when a non-believer asks me why I believe in God, but I do get my jimmies rustled when someone immediately identifies me as a bible-thumping idiot and claims superiority over me for my beliefs.


Yes but here is the problem you support an organization (the church) that is responsible for millions of deaths.

So you support an organization that has used mass genocide, mass murder, rape, enslavement and torture. You sound like you support the Nazi's.

That's why I find "offence" in you even being part of that organization.

Let alone the fact that you are belittling the logic of all of humanity by thinking that there is a mystical man in the sky.

I also choose to live in America, so does that mean I support the genocide of Native Americans, the use of minorities as slave labor, and using nuclear weapons on civilians? Because Americans have done all that in the past.

Extremism statements are silly. I don't condone everything the organizations I'm part of have done in the past (I live in Illinois, but I think selling Senate seats is wrong. How craAazy), and if you think every single person of faith does, you're an idiot.


Yes but the government provides something?

Your mystical man in the sky doesn't provide anything other than a false hope and a jobs for virgins.
NewbieOne
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Poland560 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-26 17:44:54
March 26 2012 17:40 GMT
#78
People could be more polite and sensitive but on the other hand there is a lot of hysteria about being offended, just as if it gave people rights, just as the quotation in the opening post said. Some people just like being offended, which, IMHO, is a social problem if not actually a mild personality/psychic disorder, at least in the more extreme cases (like the woman getting offended because someone wanted to lift something for her). Or it can be a form of emotional blackmail. I feel sort of mildly offended actually by that kind of behaviour, which is a twist, I guess.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
March 26 2012 17:41 GMT
#79
On March 27 2012 02:38 goldenwitch wrote:
I can't believe the tendency of people to throw everything into two categories. Do you all have borderline personality?

Perhaps instead of looking at it like, "People should never be offended," or "People should always be allowed to be offended." You instead try a more middle of the road approach like, "Each case should be individually examined for the legitimacy of the offense."

Irrationally causing harm to other people, regardless of whether or not it is intentional will almost always be offensive.

I'm one of those people who say "People are allowed to be offended all they want, it never matters in the slightest and it's entirely their problem". Anything that's more relevant, like if actual harm is caused to the person, then it matters obviously - but at that point they're no longer merely offended - something ACTUALLY bad is occurring and we've moved beyond "offensive".
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AwayFromLife
Profile Joined August 2011
United States441 Posts
March 26 2012 17:42 GMT
#80
On March 27 2012 02:40 MaddogStarCraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 02:38 AwayFromLife wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:34 MaddogStarCraft wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:31 AwayFromLife wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:25 Faggatron wrote:
Context:

He's talking about having to tiptoe around religious people because they might be "offended" by criticisms of it.

Well, even in that regard, there's a line to be drawn. There's a difference between talking calmly and kindly about differences in religion, and screaming at one another because you don't believe in the same thing.

I'm a believer, and I would never insult anyone of a different religion, and I don't make fun of my atheist friends. I don't get upset when a non-believer asks me why I believe in God, but I do get my jimmies rustled when someone immediately identifies me as a bible-thumping idiot and claims superiority over me for my beliefs.


Yes but here is the problem you support an organization (the church) that is responsible for millions of deaths.

So you support an organization that has used mass genocide, mass murder, rape, enslavement and torture. You sound like you support the Nazi's.

That's why I find "offence" in you even being part of that organization.

Let alone the fact that you are belittling the logic of all of humanity by thinking that there is a mystical man in the sky.

I also choose to live in America, so does that mean I support the genocide of Native Americans, the use of minorities as slave labor, and using nuclear weapons on civilians? Because Americans have done all that in the past.

Extremism statements are silly. I don't condone everything the organizations I'm part of have done in the past (I live in Illinois, but I think selling Senate seats is wrong. How craAazy), and if you think every single person of faith does, you're an idiot.


Yes but the government provides something?

Your mystical man in the sky doesn't provide anything other than a false hope and a jobs for virgins.

Honestly? I'd rather have "false" hope than $5 a gallon for gas.
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