I'm blatantly 'racist' to my chain dragging convict anglo friends, call my german mate a nazi all the time, and they make fun of my arabian heritage.
it's about delivery more than anything, if you are offended by anything said on the internet...
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meatbox
Australia349 Posts
I'm blatantly 'racist' to my chain dragging convict anglo friends, call my german mate a nazi all the time, and they make fun of my arabian heritage. it's about delivery more than anything, if you are offended by anything said on the internet... | ||
MaddogStarCraft
Canada64 Posts
On March 27 2012 02:31 AwayFromLife wrote: Show nested quote + On March 27 2012 02:25 Faggatron wrote: Context: He's talking about having to tiptoe around religious people because they might be "offended" by criticisms of it. Well, even in that regard, there's a line to be drawn. There's a difference between talking calmly and kindly about differences in religion, and screaming at one another because you don't believe in the same thing. I'm a believer, and I would never insult anyone of a different religion, and I don't make fun of my atheist friends. I don't get upset when a non-believer asks me why I believe in God, but I do get my jimmies rustled when someone immediately identifies me as a bible-thumping idiot and claims superiority over me for my beliefs. Yes but here is the problem you support an organization (the church) that is responsible for millions of deaths. So you support an organization that has used mass genocide, mass murder, rape, enslavement and torture. You sound like you support the Nazi's. That's why I find "offence" in you even being part of that organization. Let alone the fact that you are belittling the logic of all of humanity by thinking that there is a mystical man in the sky. | ||
Lassepetri
Denmark112 Posts
On March 27 2012 02:15 MethodSC wrote: Show nested quote + On March 27 2012 01:58 Lassepetri wrote: Well thats marvelous for Stephen Fry - whoever he is - as long as he doesn't start pretending he's talking for everyone. If he think he can bypass social norms by thinking like that, then he can go ahead for all I care. What a ridiculous way of thinking. Idealism is strong in this one. What a ridiculous answer. Shall we find our clubs of idiocy and start hacking at each other? Oh wait thats right we don't have to. On March 27 2012 02:17 jello_biafra wrote: Show nested quote + On March 27 2012 01:58 Lassepetri wrote: Well thats marvelous for Stephen Fry - whoever he is - as long as he doesn't start pretending he's talking for everyone. If he think he can bypass social norms by thinking like that, then he can go ahead for all I care. The fact that you don't know who Stephen Fry is offends me. User was warned for this post | ||
Ashenshugar
Sweden13 Posts
I've been offended by things previously which no longer offends me, because I used my mind to think & ponder why something offended me and thus I uprooted the cause & as such I was never offended again.. .. .. by that which I uprooted. and I still get offended to this day by many things, doesn't mean I cry "you offended me!" I merely see many tree's and stumps in myself in which to uproot because the problem lies in me, not in that which offends me. | ||
nalgene
Canada2153 Posts
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
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Chessz
United States644 Posts
This fantastic blog post echoes my view and argues very elegantly for taking care of the cultural narratives we cultivate: http://finenessandaccuracy.wordpress.com/2010/01/13/i-dont-care-if-youre-offended/ | ||
rlordisme
United States11 Posts
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polysciguy
United States488 Posts
On March 27 2012 02:35 nalgene wrote: Isn't there something called "Fighting Words" in the US...? yes, its the reason you can be arrested for attempting to incite a riot. if the words are meant to incite to violent action, they aren't protected speech | ||
AwayFromLife
United States441 Posts
On March 27 2012 02:34 MaddogStarCraft wrote: Show nested quote + On March 27 2012 02:31 AwayFromLife wrote: On March 27 2012 02:25 Faggatron wrote: Context: He's talking about having to tiptoe around religious people because they might be "offended" by criticisms of it. Well, even in that regard, there's a line to be drawn. There's a difference between talking calmly and kindly about differences in religion, and screaming at one another because you don't believe in the same thing. I'm a believer, and I would never insult anyone of a different religion, and I don't make fun of my atheist friends. I don't get upset when a non-believer asks me why I believe in God, but I do get my jimmies rustled when someone immediately identifies me as a bible-thumping idiot and claims superiority over me for my beliefs. Yes but here is the problem you support an organization (the church) that is responsible for millions of deaths. So you support an organization that has used mass genocide, mass murder, rape, enslavement and torture. You sound like you support the Nazi's. That's why I find "offence" in you even being part of that organization. Let alone the fact that you are belittling the logic of all of humanity by thinking that there is a mystical man in the sky. I also choose to live in America, so does that mean I support the genocide of Native Americans, the use of minorities as slave labor, and using nuclear weapons on civilians? Because Americans have done all that in the past. Extremism statements are silly. I don't condone everything the organizations I'm part of have done in the past (I live in Illinois, but I think selling Senate seats is wrong. How craAazy), and if you think every single person of faith does, you're an idiot. | ||
goldenwitch
United States338 Posts
Perhaps instead of looking at it like, "People should never be offended," or "People should always be allowed to be offended." You instead try a more middle of the road approach like, "Each case should be individually examined for the legitimacy of the offense." Irrationally causing harm to other people, regardless of whether or not it is intentional will almost always be offensive. | ||
BoX
United States214 Posts
I like where this is going! | ||
Fyrewolf
United States1533 Posts
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
On March 27 2012 02:32 xenobarf wrote: Show nested quote + On March 27 2012 02:27 Cascade wrote: On March 27 2012 02:17 xenobarf wrote: Thoughts are as follows, either we have free speech or we do not, there is no middle area. Personally I'm for free speech. Happy birthday, but really? No middle area? (Everything allowed to say) ------------------------- (???????????????) ---------------------------------- (nothing allowed to say) Any ideas of what could go in a middle area? (Hint, think of how it is in Sweden.) The problem is that if we go into it trying to define a middle area, the who does this? All human beings are infallible and or biased in some form or another. And yes, I agree that going around throwing racial slurs or doing salutes to Hitler is not a nice thing. Yeah, it's crazy hard to decide what things are ok to say, and which are simply not ok. And different people have different opinions as you say. There is no single right answer, and it is certainly different in different places and at different times. The ones to decide and enforce it should be the same people that decide and enforce what you are allowed to DO, rather than SAY. Which will be some kind democratically elected (well, in several steps, representative w/e don't know the terms) group of people and some kind of police force. | ||
StarStruck
25339 Posts
Likewise, this again: On March 27 2012 02:01 Djzapz wrote: Was just going to post that one from Steve Hughes. Offended people should just grow up, at least a lot of the time. This topic has been discussed to death on these forums. I've seen those videos at least four times on these forums within the last year. X_X | ||
PanN
United States2828 Posts
On March 27 2012 02:36 Chessz wrote: I'm tired of hearing from privileged white males being tired of other people being offended. I don't give a fuck whether anyone is offended. What I care about is harm. This fantastic blog post echoes my view and argues very elegantly for taking care of the cultural narratives we cultivate: http://finenessandaccuracy.wordpress.com/2010/01/13/i-dont-care-if-youre-offended/ Maybe you'd prefer hearing it from privileged black people? How about privileged brown people? Maybe even privileged purple people? Ooh! How about green!? | ||
MaddogStarCraft
Canada64 Posts
On March 27 2012 02:38 AwayFromLife wrote: Show nested quote + On March 27 2012 02:34 MaddogStarCraft wrote: On March 27 2012 02:31 AwayFromLife wrote: On March 27 2012 02:25 Faggatron wrote: Context: He's talking about having to tiptoe around religious people because they might be "offended" by criticisms of it. Well, even in that regard, there's a line to be drawn. There's a difference between talking calmly and kindly about differences in religion, and screaming at one another because you don't believe in the same thing. I'm a believer, and I would never insult anyone of a different religion, and I don't make fun of my atheist friends. I don't get upset when a non-believer asks me why I believe in God, but I do get my jimmies rustled when someone immediately identifies me as a bible-thumping idiot and claims superiority over me for my beliefs. Yes but here is the problem you support an organization (the church) that is responsible for millions of deaths. So you support an organization that has used mass genocide, mass murder, rape, enslavement and torture. You sound like you support the Nazi's. That's why I find "offence" in you even being part of that organization. Let alone the fact that you are belittling the logic of all of humanity by thinking that there is a mystical man in the sky. I also choose to live in America, so does that mean I support the genocide of Native Americans, the use of minorities as slave labor, and using nuclear weapons on civilians? Because Americans have done all that in the past. Extremism statements are silly. I don't condone everything the organizations I'm part of have done in the past (I live in Illinois, but I think selling Senate seats is wrong. How craAazy), and if you think every single person of faith does, you're an idiot. Yes but the government provides something? Your mystical man in the sky doesn't provide anything other than a false hope and a jobs for virgins. | ||
NewbieOne
Poland560 Posts
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On March 27 2012 02:38 goldenwitch wrote: I can't believe the tendency of people to throw everything into two categories. Do you all have borderline personality? Perhaps instead of looking at it like, "People should never be offended," or "People should always be allowed to be offended." You instead try a more middle of the road approach like, "Each case should be individually examined for the legitimacy of the offense." Irrationally causing harm to other people, regardless of whether or not it is intentional will almost always be offensive. I'm one of those people who say "People are allowed to be offended all they want, it never matters in the slightest and it's entirely their problem". Anything that's more relevant, like if actual harm is caused to the person, then it matters obviously - but at that point they're no longer merely offended - something ACTUALLY bad is occurring and we've moved beyond "offensive". | ||
AwayFromLife
United States441 Posts
On March 27 2012 02:40 MaddogStarCraft wrote: Show nested quote + On March 27 2012 02:38 AwayFromLife wrote: On March 27 2012 02:34 MaddogStarCraft wrote: On March 27 2012 02:31 AwayFromLife wrote: On March 27 2012 02:25 Faggatron wrote: Context: He's talking about having to tiptoe around religious people because they might be "offended" by criticisms of it. Well, even in that regard, there's a line to be drawn. There's a difference between talking calmly and kindly about differences in religion, and screaming at one another because you don't believe in the same thing. I'm a believer, and I would never insult anyone of a different religion, and I don't make fun of my atheist friends. I don't get upset when a non-believer asks me why I believe in God, but I do get my jimmies rustled when someone immediately identifies me as a bible-thumping idiot and claims superiority over me for my beliefs. Yes but here is the problem you support an organization (the church) that is responsible for millions of deaths. So you support an organization that has used mass genocide, mass murder, rape, enslavement and torture. You sound like you support the Nazi's. That's why I find "offence" in you even being part of that organization. Let alone the fact that you are belittling the logic of all of humanity by thinking that there is a mystical man in the sky. I also choose to live in America, so does that mean I support the genocide of Native Americans, the use of minorities as slave labor, and using nuclear weapons on civilians? Because Americans have done all that in the past. Extremism statements are silly. I don't condone everything the organizations I'm part of have done in the past (I live in Illinois, but I think selling Senate seats is wrong. How craAazy), and if you think every single person of faith does, you're an idiot. Yes but the government provides something? Your mystical man in the sky doesn't provide anything other than a false hope and a jobs for virgins. Honestly? I'd rather have "false" hope than $5 a gallon for gas. | ||
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