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AwayFromLife
Profile Joined August 2011
United States441 Posts
March 26 2012 17:56 GMT
#101
On March 27 2012 02:46 seppolevne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 02:42 AwayFromLife wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:40 MaddogStarCraft wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:38 AwayFromLife wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:34 MaddogStarCraft wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:31 AwayFromLife wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:25 Faggatron wrote:
Context:

He's talking about having to tiptoe around religious people because they might be "offended" by criticisms of it.

Well, even in that regard, there's a line to be drawn. There's a difference between talking calmly and kindly about differences in religion, and screaming at one another because you don't believe in the same thing.

I'm a believer, and I would never insult anyone of a different religion, and I don't make fun of my atheist friends. I don't get upset when a non-believer asks me why I believe in God, but I do get my jimmies rustled when someone immediately identifies me as a bible-thumping idiot and claims superiority over me for my beliefs.


Yes but here is the problem you support an organization (the church) that is responsible for millions of deaths.

So you support an organization that has used mass genocide, mass murder, rape, enslavement and torture. You sound like you support the Nazi's.

That's why I find "offence" in you even being part of that organization.

Let alone the fact that you are belittling the logic of all of humanity by thinking that there is a mystical man in the sky.

I also choose to live in America, so does that mean I support the genocide of Native Americans, the use of minorities as slave labor, and using nuclear weapons on civilians? Because Americans have done all that in the past.

Extremism statements are silly. I don't condone everything the organizations I'm part of have done in the past (I live in Illinois, but I think selling Senate seats is wrong. How craAazy), and if you think every single person of faith does, you're an idiot.


Yes but the government provides something?

Your mystical man in the sky doesn't provide anything other than a false hope and a jobs for virgins.

Honestly? I'd rather have "false" hope than $5 a gallon for gas.

But the point is that you are throwing all of human knowledge out the window because "fuck proof". You are an idiot or insane. Fucking bonkers. You can be called such.

Throwing out... alright, history lesson.

Who started the college system? Oh yeah, the Catholic Church.

Who came up with the initial idea of the Big Bang? Catholic Priest.

Who kept the majority of the European countries from falling apart during the Dark Ages and kept a record of all scientific advances during that time so they weren't lost? ...Catholic Church, again.

Who never taught that the Earth was flat? The Church, even though they did stick to the whole "Sun revolving around the Earth" bit for a long time.

Who supports the largest charitable organizations on the planet? Huh, Catholic Church again.

What organization runs most of the colleges and private school institutions (at least in America)? I think you see where I'm going with this.

But hey, keep your blinders on.
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
March 26 2012 17:56 GMT
#102
On March 27 2012 02:48 xenobarf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 02:39 Cascade wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:32 xenobarf wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:27 Cascade wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:17 xenobarf wrote:
Thoughts are as follows, either we have free speech or we do not, there is no middle area. Personally I'm for free speech.

Happy birthday, but really? No middle area?

(Everything allowed to say) ------------------------- (???????????????) ---------------------------------- (nothing allowed to say)

Any ideas of what could go in a middle area?
(Hint, think of how it is in Sweden.)


The problem is that if we go into it trying to define a middle area, the who does this? All human beings are infallible and or biased in some form or another.

And yes, I agree that going around throwing racial slurs or doing salutes to Hitler is not a nice thing.

Yeah, it's crazy hard to decide what things are ok to say, and which are simply not ok. And different people have different opinions as you say. There is no single right answer, and it is certainly different in different places and at different times.

The ones to decide and enforce it should be the same people that decide and enforce what you are allowed to DO, rather than SAY. Which will be some kind democratically elected (well, in several steps, representative w/e don't know the terms) group of people and some kind of police force.


Because letting the government (or some form of government) decide what you can and cannot say is going to work out just fine. It's okay to have utopian ideas, but we still live in reality where, like I said, people are infallible and biased.


hmm, not sure if any of that is sarcasm, please clarify if so.

Anyway, no, it's not the ultimate solution, but I think it is the best we can do in the current political system we are using atm. I mean, you can vote for a party that will decide where to put this line, and then it is by democracy supposed to end up with a set of rules that most find acceptable, although everyone will have some details that they would have done differently.

I don't know, what do you propose to do differently?
GhostLink
Profile Joined January 2011
United States450 Posts
March 26 2012 17:58 GMT
#103


Related to the topic, it's hilarious.
Let a man play chess, and tell him that every pawn is his friend. Let him think both bishops holy. Let him remember happy days in the shadows of his castles. Let him love his queen. Watch him lose them all.
DawN883
Profile Joined November 2011
Sweden558 Posts
March 26 2012 17:58 GMT
#104
On March 27 2012 02:17 jello_biafra wrote:
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On March 27 2012 01:58 Lassepetri wrote:
Well thats marvelous for Stephen Fry - whoever he is - as long as he doesn't start pretending he's talking for everyone. If he think he can bypass social norms by thinking like that, then he can go ahead for all I care.

The fact that you don't know who Stephen Fry is offends me.


The fact that you are offended offends me
If the dead are not raised, Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die
MaddogStarCraft
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada64 Posts
March 26 2012 17:58 GMT
#105
On March 27 2012 02:55 tnud wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 02:50 MaddogStarCraft wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:47 Djzapz wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:43 Dagobert wrote:
For the same reason religion should always be separate from governmental affairs, free speech should be upheld at all times.
Because one day, you might find yourself and your religion/opinion in the minority, and I bet you would not like it if you didn't have the means to oppose the majority just because you didn't want the minority to oppose you while you were in the majority.

That doesn't mean people can say what they want. A threat ("I'm gonna kill your ass, motherfucker") is unacceptable.

Yep. It would be strange, wouldn't it. What if Christians became a minority, and they got put them in jail when they told other people "you're going to burn in hell for eternity".

I mean, that's kind of a rude thing to say, but it's accepted I guess. You get to threaten children with hellfire but you don't get to make jokes about skin color.

On March 27 2012 02:47 MaddogStarCraft wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:42 AwayFromLife wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:40 MaddogStarCraft wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:38 AwayFromLife wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:34 MaddogStarCraft wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:31 AwayFromLife wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:25 Faggatron wrote:
Context:

He's talking about having to tiptoe around religious people because they might be "offended" by criticisms of it.

Well, even in that regard, there's a line to be drawn. There's a difference between talking calmly and kindly about differences in religion, and screaming at one another because you don't believe in the same thing.

I'm a believer, and I would never insult anyone of a different religion, and I don't make fun of my atheist friends. I don't get upset when a non-believer asks me why I believe in God, but I do get my jimmies rustled when someone immediately identifies me as a bible-thumping idiot and claims superiority over me for my beliefs.


Yes but here is the problem you support an organization (the church) that is responsible for millions of deaths.

So you support an organization that has used mass genocide, mass murder, rape, enslavement and torture. You sound like you support the Nazi's.

That's why I find "offence" in you even being part of that organization.

Let alone the fact that you are belittling the logic of all of humanity by thinking that there is a mystical man in the sky.

I also choose to live in America, so does that mean I support the genocide of Native Americans, the use of minorities as slave labor, and using nuclear weapons on civilians? Because Americans have done all that in the past.

Extremism statements are silly. I don't condone everything the organizations I'm part of have done in the past (I live in Illinois, but I think selling Senate seats is wrong. How craAazy), and if you think every single person of faith does, you're an idiot.


Yes but the government provides something?

Your mystical man in the sky doesn't provide anything other than a false hope and a jobs for virgins.

Honestly? I'd rather have "false" hope than $5 a gallon for gas.


Mystical man in the sky < Police, Fire Departments, Army, Libraries, Education etc...

And using nuclear weapons on civilians was justified, look at the math behind Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Oh give me a break, maths behind a moral debate, be serious.


Again you disregard facts (math).

As a human I am biologically attuned to try and maximize pleasure and minimize pain. This can be shown by math. Therefore the human species and the choices we make can be justified or unjustified by math.

Stop screaming "FUCK FACTS". You're coming off stupid.


Nuking any populated area is mass murder of civilians. There is no justification possible.


Yes there is. Go read about it for 30 minutes and come back here. The causality rates would've been much worse had of the bombs not been dropped and an invasion been used instead.

People were drafted from both sides (Japan and America). Do you consider people in the military not to be citizens? Are you retarded?
meatbox
Profile Joined August 2011
Australia349 Posts
March 26 2012 17:59 GMT
#106
Mods can you allow no moderation here apart from unnecessary spam please?

It is all about delivery, I can make black jokes to my black friends, call my german friends nazis and they wouldn't care, in fact laugh it off and return the favour.

Racism with the intent of hurt is different but it's not much of an issue in Australia, contrary to popular belief.

I don't understand how any1 can take offence to comments made on the internet.
www.footballanarcy.com/forum
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-26 18:02:39
March 26 2012 18:00 GMT
#107
On March 27 2012 02:55 MaddogStarCraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 02:53 Djzapz wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:50 MaddogStarCraft wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:47 Djzapz wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:43 Dagobert wrote:
For the same reason religion should always be separate from governmental affairs, free speech should be upheld at all times.
Because one day, you might find yourself and your religion/opinion in the minority, and I bet you would not like it if you didn't have the means to oppose the majority just because you didn't want the minority to oppose you while you were in the majority.

That doesn't mean people can say what they want. A threat ("I'm gonna kill your ass, motherfucker") is unacceptable.

Yep. It would be strange, wouldn't it. What if Christians became a minority, and they got put them in jail when they told other people "you're going to burn in hell for eternity".

I mean, that's kind of a rude thing to say, but it's accepted I guess. You get to threaten children with hellfire but you don't get to make jokes about skin color.

On March 27 2012 02:47 MaddogStarCraft wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:42 AwayFromLife wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:40 MaddogStarCraft wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:38 AwayFromLife wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:34 MaddogStarCraft wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:31 AwayFromLife wrote:
[quote]
Well, even in that regard, there's a line to be drawn. There's a difference between talking calmly and kindly about differences in religion, and screaming at one another because you don't believe in the same thing.

I'm a believer, and I would never insult anyone of a different religion, and I don't make fun of my atheist friends. I don't get upset when a non-believer asks me why I believe in God, but I do get my jimmies rustled when someone immediately identifies me as a bible-thumping idiot and claims superiority over me for my beliefs.


Yes but here is the problem you support an organization (the church) that is responsible for millions of deaths.

So you support an organization that has used mass genocide, mass murder, rape, enslavement and torture. You sound like you support the Nazi's.

That's why I find "offence" in you even being part of that organization.

Let alone the fact that you are belittling the logic of all of humanity by thinking that there is a mystical man in the sky.

I also choose to live in America, so does that mean I support the genocide of Native Americans, the use of minorities as slave labor, and using nuclear weapons on civilians? Because Americans have done all that in the past.

Extremism statements are silly. I don't condone everything the organizations I'm part of have done in the past (I live in Illinois, but I think selling Senate seats is wrong. How craAazy), and if you think every single person of faith does, you're an idiot.


Yes but the government provides something?

Your mystical man in the sky doesn't provide anything other than a false hope and a jobs for virgins.

Honestly? I'd rather have "false" hope than $5 a gallon for gas.


Mystical man in the sky < Police, Fire Departments, Army, Libraries, Education etc...

And using nuclear weapons on civilians was justified, look at the math behind Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Oh give me a break, maths behind a moral debate, be serious.


Again you disregard facts (math).

As a human I am biologically attuned to try and maximize pleasure and minimize pain. This can be shown by math. Therefore the human species and the choices we make can be justified or unjustified by math.

Stop screaming "FUCK FACTS". You're coming off stupid.

Frankly if you think you can justify nuking Japan twice with mathematics, most people here will agree that you're coming off as stupid. Even if it was justified (and I'm not saying it was), using mathematics like that is just speculative and not very useful. It's not far off from numerology really.


What you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

I literally fail to comprehend this logic (really a lack thereof).

What the hell are you even doing?

Yes, mathematics deal in facts, but you can use it in non-factual ways. You keep insulting my intelligence, but you're basically saying that maths can justify, single-handed, mass murder of Japanese people?

Let me explain why you're wrong, and a douchebag for throwing insults at me. Since social sciences are inexact, you don't get to explain of analyze events with mathematics. How many people died, how many were saved, what if things had happened differently? Mathematicians would be disgusted by your desecration of their field.

And stop insulting me. Show us those magic mathematics you're talking about, you joke, and people here will tell you why they're meaningless. Honestly, I posted 3 lines that were perfectly coherent, you called them incoherent in a really aggressive way, and you're expressing really ridiculous beliefs. I think you're probably mentally ill, or full out trolling me.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
meatbox
Profile Joined August 2011
Australia349 Posts
March 26 2012 18:01 GMT
#108
On March 27 2012 02:56 AwayFromLife wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 02:46 seppolevne wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:42 AwayFromLife wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:40 MaddogStarCraft wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:38 AwayFromLife wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:34 MaddogStarCraft wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:31 AwayFromLife wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:25 Faggatron wrote:
Context:

He's talking about having to tiptoe around religious people because they might be "offended" by criticisms of it.

Well, even in that regard, there's a line to be drawn. There's a difference between talking calmly and kindly about differences in religion, and screaming at one another because you don't believe in the same thing.

I'm a believer, and I would never insult anyone of a different religion, and I don't make fun of my atheist friends. I don't get upset when a non-believer asks me why I believe in God, but I do get my jimmies rustled when someone immediately identifies me as a bible-thumping idiot and claims superiority over me for my beliefs.


Yes but here is the problem you support an organization (the church) that is responsible for millions of deaths.

So you support an organization that has used mass genocide, mass murder, rape, enslavement and torture. You sound like you support the Nazi's.

That's why I find "offence" in you even being part of that organization.

Let alone the fact that you are belittling the logic of all of humanity by thinking that there is a mystical man in the sky.

I also choose to live in America, so does that mean I support the genocide of Native Americans, the use of minorities as slave labor, and using nuclear weapons on civilians? Because Americans have done all that in the past.

Extremism statements are silly. I don't condone everything the organizations I'm part of have done in the past (I live in Illinois, but I think selling Senate seats is wrong. How craAazy), and if you think every single person of faith does, you're an idiot.


Yes but the government provides something?

Your mystical man in the sky doesn't provide anything other than a false hope and a jobs for virgins.

Honestly? I'd rather have "false" hope than $5 a gallon for gas.

But the point is that you are throwing all of human knowledge out the window because "fuck proof". You are an idiot or insane. Fucking bonkers. You can be called such.

Throwing out... alright, history lesson.

Who started the college system? Oh yeah, the Catholic Church.

Who came up with the initial idea of the Big Bang? Catholic Priest.

Who kept the majority of the European countries from falling apart during the Dark Ages and kept a record of all scientific advances during that time so they weren't lost? ...Catholic Church, again.

Who never taught that the Earth was flat? The Church, even though they did stick to the whole "Sun revolving around the Earth" bit for a long time.

Who supports the largest charitable organizations on the planet? Huh, Catholic Church again.

What organization runs most of the colleges and private school institutions (at least in America)? I think you see where I'm going with this.

But hey, keep your blinders on.

Well said mate.
www.footballanarcy.com/forum
AwayFromLife
Profile Joined August 2011
United States441 Posts
March 26 2012 18:01 GMT
#109
On March 27 2012 02:58 MaddogStarCraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 02:55 tnud wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:50 MaddogStarCraft wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:47 Djzapz wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:43 Dagobert wrote:
For the same reason religion should always be separate from governmental affairs, free speech should be upheld at all times.
Because one day, you might find yourself and your religion/opinion in the minority, and I bet you would not like it if you didn't have the means to oppose the majority just because you didn't want the minority to oppose you while you were in the majority.

That doesn't mean people can say what they want. A threat ("I'm gonna kill your ass, motherfucker") is unacceptable.

Yep. It would be strange, wouldn't it. What if Christians became a minority, and they got put them in jail when they told other people "you're going to burn in hell for eternity".

I mean, that's kind of a rude thing to say, but it's accepted I guess. You get to threaten children with hellfire but you don't get to make jokes about skin color.

On March 27 2012 02:47 MaddogStarCraft wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:42 AwayFromLife wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:40 MaddogStarCraft wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:38 AwayFromLife wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:34 MaddogStarCraft wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:31 AwayFromLife wrote:
[quote]
Well, even in that regard, there's a line to be drawn. There's a difference between talking calmly and kindly about differences in religion, and screaming at one another because you don't believe in the same thing.

I'm a believer, and I would never insult anyone of a different religion, and I don't make fun of my atheist friends. I don't get upset when a non-believer asks me why I believe in God, but I do get my jimmies rustled when someone immediately identifies me as a bible-thumping idiot and claims superiority over me for my beliefs.


Yes but here is the problem you support an organization (the church) that is responsible for millions of deaths.

So you support an organization that has used mass genocide, mass murder, rape, enslavement and torture. You sound like you support the Nazi's.

That's why I find "offence" in you even being part of that organization.

Let alone the fact that you are belittling the logic of all of humanity by thinking that there is a mystical man in the sky.

I also choose to live in America, so does that mean I support the genocide of Native Americans, the use of minorities as slave labor, and using nuclear weapons on civilians? Because Americans have done all that in the past.

Extremism statements are silly. I don't condone everything the organizations I'm part of have done in the past (I live in Illinois, but I think selling Senate seats is wrong. How craAazy), and if you think every single person of faith does, you're an idiot.


Yes but the government provides something?

Your mystical man in the sky doesn't provide anything other than a false hope and a jobs for virgins.

Honestly? I'd rather have "false" hope than $5 a gallon for gas.


Mystical man in the sky < Police, Fire Departments, Army, Libraries, Education etc...

And using nuclear weapons on civilians was justified, look at the math behind Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Oh give me a break, maths behind a moral debate, be serious.


Again you disregard facts (math).

As a human I am biologically attuned to try and maximize pleasure and minimize pain. This can be shown by math. Therefore the human species and the choices we make can be justified or unjustified by math.

Stop screaming "FUCK FACTS". You're coming off stupid.


Nuking any populated area is mass murder of civilians. There is no justification possible.


Yes there is. Go read about it for 30 minutes and come back here. The causality rates would've been much worse had of the bombs not been dropped and an invasion been used instead.

People were drafted from both sides (Japan and America). Do you consider people in the military not to be citizens? Are you retarded?

Yep, those 3 year old kids and hospitalized elderly folks totally deserved to be killed for something they didn't know about or understand, and should be counted as soldiers. Your logic makes sense.
PanN
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2828 Posts
March 26 2012 18:01 GMT
#110
On March 27 2012 02:58 MaddogStarCraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 02:55 tnud wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:50 MaddogStarCraft wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:47 Djzapz wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:43 Dagobert wrote:
For the same reason religion should always be separate from governmental affairs, free speech should be upheld at all times.
Because one day, you might find yourself and your religion/opinion in the minority, and I bet you would not like it if you didn't have the means to oppose the majority just because you didn't want the minority to oppose you while you were in the majority.

That doesn't mean people can say what they want. A threat ("I'm gonna kill your ass, motherfucker") is unacceptable.

Yep. It would be strange, wouldn't it. What if Christians became a minority, and they got put them in jail when they told other people "you're going to burn in hell for eternity".

I mean, that's kind of a rude thing to say, but it's accepted I guess. You get to threaten children with hellfire but you don't get to make jokes about skin color.

On March 27 2012 02:47 MaddogStarCraft wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:42 AwayFromLife wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:40 MaddogStarCraft wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:38 AwayFromLife wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:34 MaddogStarCraft wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:31 AwayFromLife wrote:
[quote]
Well, even in that regard, there's a line to be drawn. There's a difference between talking calmly and kindly about differences in religion, and screaming at one another because you don't believe in the same thing.

I'm a believer, and I would never insult anyone of a different religion, and I don't make fun of my atheist friends. I don't get upset when a non-believer asks me why I believe in God, but I do get my jimmies rustled when someone immediately identifies me as a bible-thumping idiot and claims superiority over me for my beliefs.


Yes but here is the problem you support an organization (the church) that is responsible for millions of deaths.

So you support an organization that has used mass genocide, mass murder, rape, enslavement and torture. You sound like you support the Nazi's.

That's why I find "offence" in you even being part of that organization.

Let alone the fact that you are belittling the logic of all of humanity by thinking that there is a mystical man in the sky.

I also choose to live in America, so does that mean I support the genocide of Native Americans, the use of minorities as slave labor, and using nuclear weapons on civilians? Because Americans have done all that in the past.

Extremism statements are silly. I don't condone everything the organizations I'm part of have done in the past (I live in Illinois, but I think selling Senate seats is wrong. How craAazy), and if you think every single person of faith does, you're an idiot.


Yes but the government provides something?

Your mystical man in the sky doesn't provide anything other than a false hope and a jobs for virgins.

Honestly? I'd rather have "false" hope than $5 a gallon for gas.


Mystical man in the sky < Police, Fire Departments, Army, Libraries, Education etc...

And using nuclear weapons on civilians was justified, look at the math behind Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Oh give me a break, maths behind a moral debate, be serious.


Again you disregard facts (math).

As a human I am biologically attuned to try and maximize pleasure and minimize pain. This can be shown by math. Therefore the human species and the choices we make can be justified or unjustified by math.

Stop screaming "FUCK FACTS". You're coming off stupid.


Nuking any populated area is mass murder of civilians. There is no justification possible.


Yes there is. Go read about it for 30 minutes and come back here. The causality rates would've been much worse had of the bombs not been dropped and an invasion been used instead.

People were drafted from both sides (Japan and America). Do you consider people in the military not to be citizens? Are you retarded?


Oh look! Absolutely no point, just tells you to go read then calls you retarded. Obviously we have a star debater here, definitely a champion.
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Demonhunter04
Profile Joined July 2011
1530 Posts
March 26 2012 18:03 GMT
#111
On March 27 2012 01:52 HaXXspetten wrote:
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On March 27 2012 01:48 Denzil wrote:
waiting on the video by the comedian to be linked about being offended

waiting for someone to link the Encyclopedia Dramatica one >.>


I hope nobody links it, lol.
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tnud
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden2233 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-26 18:18:50
March 26 2012 18:06 GMT
#112
On March 27 2012 02:56 AwayFromLife wrote:
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On March 27 2012 02:46 seppolevne wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:42 AwayFromLife wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:40 MaddogStarCraft wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:38 AwayFromLife wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:34 MaddogStarCraft wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:31 AwayFromLife wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:25 Faggatron wrote:
Context:

He's talking about having to tiptoe around religious people because they might be "offended" by criticisms of it.

Well, even in that regard, there's a line to be drawn. There's a difference between talking calmly and kindly about differences in religion, and screaming at one another because you don't believe in the same thing.

I'm a believer, and I would never insult anyone of a different religion, and I don't make fun of my atheist friends. I don't get upset when a non-believer asks me why I believe in God, but I do get my jimmies rustled when someone immediately identifies me as a bible-thumping idiot and claims superiority over me for my beliefs.


Yes but here is the problem you support an organization (the church) that is responsible for millions of deaths.

So you support an organization that has used mass genocide, mass murder, rape, enslavement and torture. You sound like you support the Nazi's.

That's why I find "offence" in you even being part of that organization.

Let alone the fact that you are belittling the logic of all of humanity by thinking that there is a mystical man in the sky.

I also choose to live in America, so does that mean I support the genocide of Native Americans, the use of minorities as slave labor, and using nuclear weapons on civilians? Because Americans have done all that in the past.

Extremism statements are silly. I don't condone everything the organizations I'm part of have done in the past (I live in Illinois, but I think selling Senate seats is wrong. How craAazy), and if you think every single person of faith does, you're an idiot.


Yes but the government provides something?

Your mystical man in the sky doesn't provide anything other than a false hope and a jobs for virgins.

Honestly? I'd rather have "false" hope than $5 a gallon for gas.

But the point is that you are throwing all of human knowledge out the window because "fuck proof". You are an idiot or insane. Fucking bonkers. You can be called such.

Throwing out... alright, history lesson.
[...]

But hey, keep your blinders on.

Who came up with the initial idea of the Big Bang? Catholic Priest.

Who was shunned and ignored for ages.
EDIT: My bad, he didn't know what he discovered*
EDIT2: My bad again, I keep mixing up these damn theories. The big bang discovery had been discussed for a while before that priest got involved. It's not his discovery

Who kept the majority of the European countries from falling apart during the Dark Ages and kept a record of all scientific advances during that time so they weren't lost? ...Catholic Church, again.

The dark ages are named after the oppression the church and religion had on sciences and critical thinking. The church was not a good factor lol.

Who supports the largest charitable organizations on the planet? Huh, Catholic Church again.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wealthiest_charitable_foundations
Top 5 are not Church related.

Who never taught that the Earth was flat? The Church, even though they did stick to the whole "Sun revolving around the Earth" bit for a long time.

Galileo is very happy that they prosecuted and convicted him for heresy for that theory I'm sure.

Dunno about the other 2. Just don't spew out things you don't know about.
The church has a place in todays society but pretending they've been "the good guys" through history is just pure ignorance.
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MaddogStarCraft
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada64 Posts
March 26 2012 18:07 GMT
#113
On March 27 2012 02:56 AwayFromLife wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 02:46 seppolevne wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:42 AwayFromLife wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:40 MaddogStarCraft wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:38 AwayFromLife wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:34 MaddogStarCraft wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:31 AwayFromLife wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:25 Faggatron wrote:
Context:

He's talking about having to tiptoe around religious people because they might be "offended" by criticisms of it.

Well, even in that regard, there's a line to be drawn. There's a difference between talking calmly and kindly about differences in religion, and screaming at one another because you don't believe in the same thing.

I'm a believer, and I would never insult anyone of a different religion, and I don't make fun of my atheist friends. I don't get upset when a non-believer asks me why I believe in God, but I do get my jimmies rustled when someone immediately identifies me as a bible-thumping idiot and claims superiority over me for my beliefs.


Yes but here is the problem you support an organization (the church) that is responsible for millions of deaths.

So you support an organization that has used mass genocide, mass murder, rape, enslavement and torture. You sound like you support the Nazi's.

That's why I find "offence" in you even being part of that organization.

Let alone the fact that you are belittling the logic of all of humanity by thinking that there is a mystical man in the sky.

I also choose to live in America, so does that mean I support the genocide of Native Americans, the use of minorities as slave labor, and using nuclear weapons on civilians? Because Americans have done all that in the past.

Extremism statements are silly. I don't condone everything the organizations I'm part of have done in the past (I live in Illinois, but I think selling Senate seats is wrong. How craAazy), and if you think every single person of faith does, you're an idiot.


Yes but the government provides something?

Your mystical man in the sky doesn't provide anything other than a false hope and a jobs for virgins.

Honestly? I'd rather have "false" hope than $5 a gallon for gas.

But the point is that you are throwing all of human knowledge out the window because "fuck proof". You are an idiot or insane. Fucking bonkers. You can be called such.

Throwing out... alright, history lesson.

Who started the college system? Oh yeah, the Catholic Church.

Who came up with the initial idea of the Big Bang? Catholic Priest.

Who kept the majority of the European countries from falling apart during the Dark Ages and kept a record of all scientific advances during that time so they weren't lost? ...Catholic Church, again.

Who never taught that the Earth was flat? The Church, even though they did stick to the whole "Sun revolving around the Earth" bit for a long time.

Who supports the largest charitable organizations on the planet? Huh, Catholic Church again.

What organization runs most of the colleges and private school institutions (at least in America)? I think you see where I'm going with this.

But hey, keep your blinders on.


Universities came from the ideas of "guilds". They didn't start shit, they just made a new one.

You know nothing about physics, a Catholic priest built upon the idea of an expanding universe, he didn't pull the theory out of his ass by himself.

No the Catholic church was the cause of the Dark Ages and stopped all scientific progress, you should learn to read books.

Yes science said that the Earth was flat at one point because that was the strongest theory at the time, as new things were developed science changed. Several millions of people still take the bible literally.

They support it somewhat... They're the richest institution in the fucking world and their donations per overall capita is fucking low as shit.

Purely religious colleges always suck shit, nor do they make up the majority of universities. Who gives a shit if they have more private schools if the private schools are supporting the fucking retarded idea of a God.
xenobarf
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden47 Posts
March 26 2012 18:07 GMT
#114
On March 27 2012 02:56 Cascade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 02:48 xenobarf wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:39 Cascade wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:32 xenobarf wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:27 Cascade wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:17 xenobarf wrote:
Thoughts are as follows, either we have free speech or we do not, there is no middle area. Personally I'm for free speech.

Happy birthday, but really? No middle area?

(Everything allowed to say) ------------------------- (???????????????) ---------------------------------- (nothing allowed to say)

Any ideas of what could go in a middle area?
(Hint, think of how it is in Sweden.)


The problem is that if we go into it trying to define a middle area, the who does this? All human beings are infallible and or biased in some form or another.

And yes, I agree that going around throwing racial slurs or doing salutes to Hitler is not a nice thing.

Yeah, it's crazy hard to decide what things are ok to say, and which are simply not ok. And different people have different opinions as you say. There is no single right answer, and it is certainly different in different places and at different times.

The ones to decide and enforce it should be the same people that decide and enforce what you are allowed to DO, rather than SAY. Which will be some kind democratically elected (well, in several steps, representative w/e don't know the terms) group of people and some kind of police force.


Because letting the government (or some form of government) decide what you can and cannot say is going to work out just fine. It's okay to have utopian ideas, but we still live in reality where, like I said, people are infallible and biased.


hmm, not sure if any of that is sarcasm, please clarify if so.

Anyway, no, it's not the ultimate solution, but I think it is the best we can do in the current political system we are using atm. I mean, you can vote for a party that will decide where to put this line, and then it is by democracy supposed to end up with a set of rules that most find acceptable, although everyone will have some details that they would have done differently.

I don't know, what do you propose to do differently?


It was sarcasm. It is definately not the ultimate solution. If voting for a group of people with their own bias, morals and ideas is the only way to land in some form of "middle ground" then its best left alone. The moment you let something subjective be decided by a few human beings is the moment someone gets royally fucked in the ass, whether they deserver it or not.
couches
Profile Joined November 2010
618 Posts
March 26 2012 18:08 GMT
#115
Peoples skin is too thin I think. Everybody is worried about being politically correct. Fitting in with the status quo. Not asserting themselves out of fear for stepping on other peoples toes.

Lots of it is not people actually being offended but rather intolerant of others with major differences to them.

Hopefully that makes some kind of sense.
MaddogStarCraft
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada64 Posts
March 26 2012 18:08 GMT
#116
On March 27 2012 03:01 PanN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 02:58 MaddogStarCraft wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:55 tnud wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:50 MaddogStarCraft wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:47 Djzapz wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:43 Dagobert wrote:
For the same reason religion should always be separate from governmental affairs, free speech should be upheld at all times.
Because one day, you might find yourself and your religion/opinion in the minority, and I bet you would not like it if you didn't have the means to oppose the majority just because you didn't want the minority to oppose you while you were in the majority.

That doesn't mean people can say what they want. A threat ("I'm gonna kill your ass, motherfucker") is unacceptable.

Yep. It would be strange, wouldn't it. What if Christians became a minority, and they got put them in jail when they told other people "you're going to burn in hell for eternity".

I mean, that's kind of a rude thing to say, but it's accepted I guess. You get to threaten children with hellfire but you don't get to make jokes about skin color.

On March 27 2012 02:47 MaddogStarCraft wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:42 AwayFromLife wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:40 MaddogStarCraft wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:38 AwayFromLife wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:34 MaddogStarCraft wrote:
[quote]

Yes but here is the problem you support an organization (the church) that is responsible for millions of deaths.

So you support an organization that has used mass genocide, mass murder, rape, enslavement and torture. You sound like you support the Nazi's.

That's why I find "offence" in you even being part of that organization.

Let alone the fact that you are belittling the logic of all of humanity by thinking that there is a mystical man in the sky.

I also choose to live in America, so does that mean I support the genocide of Native Americans, the use of minorities as slave labor, and using nuclear weapons on civilians? Because Americans have done all that in the past.

Extremism statements are silly. I don't condone everything the organizations I'm part of have done in the past (I live in Illinois, but I think selling Senate seats is wrong. How craAazy), and if you think every single person of faith does, you're an idiot.


Yes but the government provides something?

Your mystical man in the sky doesn't provide anything other than a false hope and a jobs for virgins.

Honestly? I'd rather have "false" hope than $5 a gallon for gas.


Mystical man in the sky < Police, Fire Departments, Army, Libraries, Education etc...

And using nuclear weapons on civilians was justified, look at the math behind Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Oh give me a break, maths behind a moral debate, be serious.


Again you disregard facts (math).

As a human I am biologically attuned to try and maximize pleasure and minimize pain. This can be shown by math. Therefore the human species and the choices we make can be justified or unjustified by math.

Stop screaming "FUCK FACTS". You're coming off stupid.


Nuking any populated area is mass murder of civilians. There is no justification possible.


Yes there is. Go read about it for 30 minutes and come back here. The causality rates would've been much worse had of the bombs not been dropped and an invasion been used instead.

People were drafted from both sides (Japan and America). Do you consider people in the military not to be citizens? Are you retarded?


Oh look! Absolutely no point, just tells you to go read then calls you retarded. Obviously we have a star debater here, definitely a champion.


I'm not going to list facts for you that you can go and read by yourself.

You're either too lazy to read it or too stupid to comprehend the simple material that a 9 year old can understand with ease.
NEOtheONE
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2233 Posts
March 26 2012 18:08 GMT
#117
On March 27 2012 02:21 Millitron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 01:36 AwayFromLife wrote:
There's definitely a difference between getting offended at comments that don't mean anything and comments that are meant to be scathing and offensive.

I definitely disagree. Words are just words. Getting offended over any of them, regardless of their intent, is foolish.

Look at it this way, if the words you feel offended over were not meant to be offensive, you're overreacting. If they WERE meant to be offensive, you're playing right into their hand.


This is the crux of the matter. Inevitably we are going to have an emotional response to some words or phrases, but by doing so you are playing right into the hands of those who said the words. Why does the Westboro Baptist church keep doing what they do, because it gets them attention. STOP giving them the attention. You cannot convince the racists and fundamentalists to change, so stop giving them the attention. Instead focus on promoting the positive agenda. Give attention to those that make a positive difference. Problem is our media is so screwed up. There will always be people who are racist, religious fanatics, or otherwise socially "insane," what we can control is how much attention they get.
Abstracts, the too long didn't read of the educated world.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
March 26 2012 18:09 GMT
#118
On March 27 2012 03:08 MaddogStarCraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 03:01 PanN wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:58 MaddogStarCraft wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:55 tnud wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:50 MaddogStarCraft wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:47 Djzapz wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:43 Dagobert wrote:
For the same reason religion should always be separate from governmental affairs, free speech should be upheld at all times.
Because one day, you might find yourself and your religion/opinion in the minority, and I bet you would not like it if you didn't have the means to oppose the majority just because you didn't want the minority to oppose you while you were in the majority.

That doesn't mean people can say what they want. A threat ("I'm gonna kill your ass, motherfucker") is unacceptable.

Yep. It would be strange, wouldn't it. What if Christians became a minority, and they got put them in jail when they told other people "you're going to burn in hell for eternity".

I mean, that's kind of a rude thing to say, but it's accepted I guess. You get to threaten children with hellfire but you don't get to make jokes about skin color.

On March 27 2012 02:47 MaddogStarCraft wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:42 AwayFromLife wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:40 MaddogStarCraft wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:38 AwayFromLife wrote:
[quote]
I also choose to live in America, so does that mean I support the genocide of Native Americans, the use of minorities as slave labor, and using nuclear weapons on civilians? Because Americans have done all that in the past.

Extremism statements are silly. I don't condone everything the organizations I'm part of have done in the past (I live in Illinois, but I think selling Senate seats is wrong. How craAazy), and if you think every single person of faith does, you're an idiot.


Yes but the government provides something?

Your mystical man in the sky doesn't provide anything other than a false hope and a jobs for virgins.

Honestly? I'd rather have "false" hope than $5 a gallon for gas.


Mystical man in the sky < Police, Fire Departments, Army, Libraries, Education etc...

And using nuclear weapons on civilians was justified, look at the math behind Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Oh give me a break, maths behind a moral debate, be serious.


Again you disregard facts (math).

As a human I am biologically attuned to try and maximize pleasure and minimize pain. This can be shown by math. Therefore the human species and the choices we make can be justified or unjustified by math.

Stop screaming "FUCK FACTS". You're coming off stupid.


Nuking any populated area is mass murder of civilians. There is no justification possible.


Yes there is. Go read about it for 30 minutes and come back here. The causality rates would've been much worse had of the bombs not been dropped and an invasion been used instead.

People were drafted from both sides (Japan and America). Do you consider people in the military not to be citizens? Are you retarded?


Oh look! Absolutely no point, just tells you to go read then calls you retarded. Obviously we have a star debater here, definitely a champion.


I'm not going to list facts for you that you can go and read by yourself.

You're either too lazy to read it or too stupid to comprehend the simple material that a 9 year old can understand with ease.

You barge in here and you call everyone stupid and you refuse to provide a source. You're just out of control kid.
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PanN
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2828 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-26 18:10:43
March 26 2012 18:10 GMT
#119
On March 27 2012 03:08 MaddogStarCraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 03:01 PanN wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:58 MaddogStarCraft wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:55 tnud wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:50 MaddogStarCraft wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:47 Djzapz wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:43 Dagobert wrote:
For the same reason religion should always be separate from governmental affairs, free speech should be upheld at all times.
Because one day, you might find yourself and your religion/opinion in the minority, and I bet you would not like it if you didn't have the means to oppose the majority just because you didn't want the minority to oppose you while you were in the majority.

That doesn't mean people can say what they want. A threat ("I'm gonna kill your ass, motherfucker") is unacceptable.

Yep. It would be strange, wouldn't it. What if Christians became a minority, and they got put them in jail when they told other people "you're going to burn in hell for eternity".

I mean, that's kind of a rude thing to say, but it's accepted I guess. You get to threaten children with hellfire but you don't get to make jokes about skin color.

On March 27 2012 02:47 MaddogStarCraft wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:42 AwayFromLife wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:40 MaddogStarCraft wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:38 AwayFromLife wrote:
[quote]
I also choose to live in America, so does that mean I support the genocide of Native Americans, the use of minorities as slave labor, and using nuclear weapons on civilians? Because Americans have done all that in the past.

Extremism statements are silly. I don't condone everything the organizations I'm part of have done in the past (I live in Illinois, but I think selling Senate seats is wrong. How craAazy), and if you think every single person of faith does, you're an idiot.


Yes but the government provides something?

Your mystical man in the sky doesn't provide anything other than a false hope and a jobs for virgins.

Honestly? I'd rather have "false" hope than $5 a gallon for gas.


Mystical man in the sky < Police, Fire Departments, Army, Libraries, Education etc...

And using nuclear weapons on civilians was justified, look at the math behind Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Oh give me a break, maths behind a moral debate, be serious.


Again you disregard facts (math).

As a human I am biologically attuned to try and maximize pleasure and minimize pain. This can be shown by math. Therefore the human species and the choices we make can be justified or unjustified by math.

Stop screaming "FUCK FACTS". You're coming off stupid.


Nuking any populated area is mass murder of civilians. There is no justification possible.


Yes there is. Go read about it for 30 minutes and come back here. The causality rates would've been much worse had of the bombs not been dropped and an invasion been used instead.

People were drafted from both sides (Japan and America). Do you consider people in the military not to be citizens? Are you retarded?


Oh look! Absolutely no point, just tells you to go read then calls you retarded. Obviously we have a star debater here, definitely a champion.


I'm not going to list facts for you that you can go and read by yourself.

You're either too lazy to read it or too stupid to comprehend the simple material that a 9 year old can understand with ease.


Ahh im too lazy or stupid to comprehend the insults you're slinging. Man your arguments sure are compelling!
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Sea_Food
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Finland1612 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-26 18:11:04
March 26 2012 18:10 GMT
#120
On March 27 2012 03:08 MaddogStarCraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 03:01 PanN wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:58 MaddogStarCraft wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:55 tnud wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:50 MaddogStarCraft wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:47 Djzapz wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:43 Dagobert wrote:
For the same reason religion should always be separate from governmental affairs, free speech should be upheld at all times.
Because one day, you might find yourself and your religion/opinion in the minority, and I bet you would not like it if you didn't have the means to oppose the majority just because you didn't want the minority to oppose you while you were in the majority.

That doesn't mean people can say what they want. A threat ("I'm gonna kill your ass, motherfucker") is unacceptable.

Yep. It would be strange, wouldn't it. What if Christians became a minority, and they got put them in jail when they told other people "you're going to burn in hell for eternity".

I mean, that's kind of a rude thing to say, but it's accepted I guess. You get to threaten children with hellfire but you don't get to make jokes about skin color.

On March 27 2012 02:47 MaddogStarCraft wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:42 AwayFromLife wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:40 MaddogStarCraft wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:38 AwayFromLife wrote:
[quote]
I also choose to live in America, so does that mean I support the genocide of Native Americans, the use of minorities as slave labor, and using nuclear weapons on civilians? Because Americans have done all that in the past.

Extremism statements are silly. I don't condone everything the organizations I'm part of have done in the past (I live in Illinois, but I think selling Senate seats is wrong. How craAazy), and if you think every single person of faith does, you're an idiot.


Yes but the government provides something?

Your mystical man in the sky doesn't provide anything other than a false hope and a jobs for virgins.

Honestly? I'd rather have "false" hope than $5 a gallon for gas.


Mystical man in the sky < Police, Fire Departments, Army, Libraries, Education etc...

And using nuclear weapons on civilians was justified, look at the math behind Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Oh give me a break, maths behind a moral debate, be serious.


Again you disregard facts (math).

As a human I am biologically attuned to try and maximize pleasure and minimize pain. This can be shown by math. Therefore the human species and the choices we make can be justified or unjustified by math.

Stop screaming "FUCK FACTS". You're coming off stupid.


Nuking any populated area is mass murder of civilians. There is no justification possible.


Yes there is. Go read about it for 30 minutes and come back here. The causality rates would've been much worse had of the bombs not been dropped and an invasion been used instead.

People were drafted from both sides (Japan and America). Do you consider people in the military not to be citizens? Are you retarded?


Oh look! Absolutely no point, just tells you to go read then calls you retarded. Obviously we have a star debater here, definitely a champion.


I'm not going to list facts for you that you can go and read by yourself.

You're either too lazy to read it or too stupid to comprehend the simple material that a 9 year old can understand with ease.


TIL everyone who disagrees with MaddogStarCraft are retarded/stupid/idiot.
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