EPT"Chienne" is the french for "Bitch": It initally meant "female dog", before men turned it into something else...
Another sign that the fight for men/ women equality is far from over.
Adieu, "Mademoiselle" - Page 7
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GreyMasta
Canada197 Posts
"Chienne" is the french for "Bitch": It initally meant "female dog", before men turned it into something else... Another sign that the fight for men/ women equality is far from over. | ||
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HotShizz
France710 Posts
On February 28 2012 05:54 Kukaracha wrote: Don't be mistaken : we will continue to mademoiselle French ladies to make them know they're special. You're thinking too much. This starts with a very simple right, the right to mind your own business. Married or not? Not your business. It's purely a matter of privacy when filling paperwork. Yeah but most official documents ask for maiden name anyway, and a lot of things just plain ask marital status. It's just a hollow word. Miss or missus. I'm not anti-progression, it just seems like such a waste of energy over something so meaningless. Worry about women making less on average than a man in the same position, not about what your title is. And that door thing I did read about or see somewhere, how women shouldn't allow the chivalry of men in the business place, it demeans and lessens them. It's just people taking too much from good intentions. I hold doors for guys and gals alike, it's just being polite. Just let people be nice, and if they are extra nice because you have a vagina, good for you. | ||
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Nevermind86
Somalia429 Posts
On February 28 2012 06:21 GreyMasta wrote: Actually, "Les Chiennes de Garde" would translate more into "The Watchbitches" "Chienne" is the french for "Bitch": It initally meant "female dog", before men turned it into something else... Another sign that the fight for men/ women equality is far from over. Malcolm X argues that equality starts with self pride. Real self pride involves understanding and loving what you are, and when you do that, then you can be treated with equality. Mademoiselle is a beatiful word, one of my favorites in french (I'm studying french atm), women to be proud of something need to learn to appreciate all of the little things that society does in their favour like calling them mademoiselle out of politeness, opening doors, giving seats in the bus or carrying heavy things for them. It is not that they cannot do it for themselves, it's just part of society that sees females as delicate beings, when they're obviously not, but it's just a romantic view and good founded. These females that always wear jeans and that refuse to let males carry their tv's when they're moving it around don't seem to be really proud about themselves, to me their actions of making everybody equal when they are not seems little more than brainwashing and sloganeering. Vive la difference! | ||
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Keone
United States812 Posts
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Meta
United States6228 Posts
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Pyskee
United States620 Posts
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On February 28 2012 07:54 Pyskee wrote: This is really feminist's biggest concern right now? considering that a man issued the memorandum, it seems this is the government trying to appease so-called feminist issues so that they can ignore the real inequality issues. | ||
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Nevermind86
Somalia429 Posts
On February 28 2012 07:54 dAPhREAk wrote: my french teacher told me that she liked being called mademoiselle (even though she is married) because it made her feel young. she also said to always use mademoiselle when I don't know the marriage status because females would prefer it to being called madame. Exactly the same with "señorita" in spanish. THEY LOVE being called like that when they're old or married, they love it, seriously. But feminism like politics sees an enemy in everybody and think that sloganeering and changing the language changes anything. Edit: My french prof also told me she loves being called mademoiselle. She's like 50 something kinda pretty for her age tbh ^^ | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On February 28 2012 07:57 Nevermind86 wrote: Exactly the same with "señorita" in spanish. THEY LOVE being called like that when they're old or married, they love it, seriously. But feminism like politics sees an enemy in everybody and think that sloganeering and changing the language changes anything. The main point behind the complete disappearing of every "Mademoiselle" was exactly that it was referring to the woman marital status and they didn't want to always be linked to their marital status and to their husband through it. The idea is that, as time pass, Madame would just mean female man, and not someone that is married to a man. I'm not defending them btw, I find all that quite ridiculous. | ||
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Nevermind86
Somalia429 Posts
On February 28 2012 08:01 WhiteDog wrote: The main point behind the complete disappearing of every "Mademoiselle" was exactly that it was referring to the woman marital status and they didn't want to always be linked to their marital status and to their husband through it. The idea is that, as time pass, Madame would just mean female man, and not someone that is married to a man. I'm not defending them btw, I feel it's ridiculous. Ya, ok typical rage-after-divorce thing that some people advocate. Ok. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On February 28 2012 08:03 Nevermind86 wrote: Ya, ok typical rage-after-divorce thing that some people advocate. Ok. That's feminism : a good idea, but always the wrong fight. | ||
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Soap
Brazil1546 Posts
In portuguese we only use senhor/senhora (sir/madam) with elders or in formal circunstances, and senhorita (miss) pretty much only playfully. | ||
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sunprince
United States2258 Posts
On February 28 2012 07:54 dAPhREAk wrote: considering that a man issued the memorandum, it seems this is the government trying to appease so-called feminist issues so that they can ignore the real inequality issues. Considering that two major French feminist groups fought for this and are now celebrating their victory, your theory seems inaccurate. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On February 28 2012 08:10 sunprince wrote: Considering that two major French feminist groups fought for this and are now celebrating their victory, your theory seems inaccurate. not really. the real issue is gender discrimination based on marital status for females. this doesn't really solve the problem. if this is really a "victory," they should set their sights a wee bit higher in the future. | ||
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Khanz
France214 Posts
On February 28 2012 08:10 sunprince wrote: Considering that two major French feminist groups fought for this and are now celebrating their victory, your theory seems inaccurate. This is much more complicated than that. You guys need to understand the differenciation between a feminist and someone who has nothing against women rights. FACT: The feminist movement is very limited in France, around 3000 total feminists were counted in the last protest. So considering this number, you can deduce why the feminisit movement is a blattant mascarade to divide people when there are better efficient moves to make with the same amount of mediatic energy. In fact, as told above this post, the feminist movement was born in USA and they were a pretty elite circle. The reason this feminist movement is minor is because you cannot just put all the women in the same sac to get them to your cause for obvious politic interests. TL;DR Mademoiselle is just the surface, the rest is hidden below and yet remains unchanged. | ||
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bpat
United States157 Posts
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On February 28 2012 08:10 sunprince wrote: Considering that two major French feminist groups fought for this and are now celebrating their victory, your theory seems inaccurate. You're talking about Les Chiennes de Garde & Osez le féminisme ? .... | ||
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UmiNotsuki
United States633 Posts
Feminism always sort of bothers me in its modern form. Yeah, women should have equal rights, but the sorts of things that feminists today tend to fight for -- the right to display their breasts in public, more representation in "hard" science fields like math and engineering (even though the only reason there are more men is that men tend to be more interested in them -- there's nothing wrong with this,) occasionally arguing that the years of female repression mean women are long overdue to actually be placed above men in social hierarchy (these are the real crazies,) and apparently semantics like whether they should be referred to by a different title depending on their (legally important!) marital status -- are all such dramatic non-issues in my mind that it feels like a waste of activism. Go fight for human rights in Africa or against political corruption or war or... something. This is so unimportant compared to those... | ||
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Kukaracha
France1954 Posts
The maiden name has some practical reasons, since early documents are all filed under that name. The marital status, on the other hand, was often not asked directly but indirectly, not only by the government but privates institutions. "Are you a mister, miss, or missus?" On February 28 2012 09:00 UmiNotsuki wrote: This is kinda stupid. In English, the distinction between Miss and Missus (Ms. and Mrs.) has never been called into question because frankly there are bigger issues to worry about. [...] Go fight for human rights in Africa or against political corruption or war or... something. This is so unimportant compared to those... How could you complain about this, when your government is not handling the crisis correctly! This thread is so unimportant compared to those... | ||
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UmiNotsuki
United States633 Posts
On February 28 2012 09:06 Kukaracha wrote: A step is a step. People whine when things don't change, whine when things don't change enough, and whine when they change too much... The maiden name has some practical reasons, since early documents are all filed under that name. The marital status, on the other hand, was often not asked directly but indirectly, not only by the government but privates institutions. "Are you a mister, miss, or missus?" How could you complain about this, when your government is not handling the crisis correctly! This thread is so unimportant compared to those... I'm not complaining, I don't think. I just think it's kinda sad that these feminists, who are surely well educated and intelligent people, are putting their effort towards something semantic instead of something that could really change the world. | ||
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