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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On February 28 2012 09:06 Kukaracha wrote: How could you complain about this, when your government is not handling the crisis correctly! This thread is so unimportant compared to those... from a "feminism" thread to a country bashing thread. now this has potential. | ||
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Ermac
336 Posts
There is so much "girls only" stuff that women can take advantage of it's ridiculous. Women's quota at various places(don't even get me started on how wrong this is), women's libraries(I'm not even kidding), women only saunas, just to name a few. Furthermore women tend to be much more easily offended by men invading their "private space". Imagine a guy accidentally walks into the girls changing room at a gym - all hell breaks loose and he's accused of being a pervert or worse. Now imagine it the other way around. Can you tell me of any guy who would be offended? Or think the girl did anything else but take the wrong door? Heck, there's even female cleaning personnel working in men's changing or rest rooms. Think about it for a minute and tell me with a straight face that women in the western world(e.g. France) are still in a disadvantageous position. | ||
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Kukaracha
France1954 Posts
On February 28 2012 09:17 dAPhREAk wrote: from a "feminism" thread to a country bashing thread. now this has potential. I'm not bashing any country, in fact I didn't even look it up before posting. I was simply underlining that it is ridiculuous to complain about this measure not being important because there is simply always something more important to do. What counts is to move forward, not to adress "important" things first because in that case let's be honest, nothing would happen at all. "Hey guys, let's forget unemployment until we have eradicated poverty!" | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On February 28 2012 09:19 Ermac wrote: Wtf is wrong with feminists being offended by everything? o.O There is so much "girls only" stuff that women can take advantage of it's ridiculous. Women's quota at various places(don't even get me started on how wrong this is), women's libraries(I'm not even kidding), women only saunas, just to name a few. Furthermore women tend to be much more easily offended by men invading their "private space". Imagine a guy accidentally walks into the girls changing room at a gym - all hell breaks loose and he's accused of being a pervert or worse. Now imagine it the other way around. Can you tell me of any guy who would be offended? Or think the girl did anything else but take the wrong door? Heck, there's even female cleaning personnel working in men's changing or rest rooms. Think about it for a minute and tell me with a straight face that women in the western world(e.g. France) are still in a disadvantageous position. yeah, they are still in a disadvantageous position, but its slowly improving. and LOL at your being upset over "women only saunas." | ||
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raincat
United States28 Posts
Ok, so instead of abolishing one of the most sexually charged words in human language, not to mention one of the most beautiful, why not just create a separation between men? Unmarried men can be "monsieurels," or something less ugly-sounding. I'm sure the French could come up with something... | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
Besides that the French have some of the best jargon as well. They have all sorts of beautiful words. =P | ||
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Paperplane
Netherlands1823 Posts
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Tiegrr
United States607 Posts
 If this were to happen for the English language, there wouldn't be that awkward moment when you refer to someone as "Miss" and she replies that she's married. >.> Also: nice title. | ||
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DreamChaser
1649 Posts
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
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Deleted User 183001
2939 Posts
On February 28 2012 09:26 raincat wrote: Hmm, as a female myself (but not a feminist) I abhor the term "Madame." It always makes me think of an evil headmistress or the woman who runs a whore house. But maybe it's different in France? But I can see the issue. Why only separate women? It's sexist. Ok, so instead of abolishing one of the most sexually charged words in human language, not to mention one of the most beautiful, why not just create a separation between men? Unmarried men can be "monsieurels," or something less ugly-sounding. I'm sure the French could come up with something... Yes, it is very different in France. It's basically the same as Misses, in fact. Unless Misses is an abhorrent term, then there's nothing wrong about "Madame"in France. | ||
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TALegion
United States1187 Posts
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On February 28 2012 09:26 raincat wrote: Hmm, as a female myself (but not a feminist) I abhor the term "Madame." It always makes me think of an evil headmistress or the woman who runs a whore house. But maybe it's different in France? But I can see the issue. Why only separate women? It's sexist. Ok, so instead of abolishing one of the most sexually charged words in human language, not to mention one of the most beautiful, why not just create a separation between men? Unmarried men can be "monsieurels," or something less ugly-sounding. I'm sure the French could come up with something... Well Think about how nice sounding is mademoiselle. Why kill it off? like the OP said if your marital status are unknown mademoiselle signifies interest while madame is just polite. Why can't women have two titles and men have only one? it's just a title. I mean if this goes thru soon the feminists will start to ask us to call them sirs because they want to be the same as men. | ||
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Kukaracha
France1954 Posts
On February 28 2012 09:45 Blasterion wrote: Well Think about how nice sounding is mademoiselle. Why kill it off? like the OP said if your marital status are unknown mademoiselle signifies interest while madame is just polite. Why can't women have two titles and men have only one? it's just a title. I mean if this goes thru soon the feminists will start to ask us to call them sirs because they want to be the same as men. To be honest people are not going to stop using the term "mademoiselle". It's a symbol of youth, and a mark of respect towards a young lady. This only concerns application forms and whatnot. | ||
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sunprince
United States2258 Posts
On February 28 2012 08:17 dAPhREAk wrote:not really. the real issue is gender discrimination based on marital status for females. this doesn't really solve the problem. if this is really a "victory," they should set their sights a wee bit higher in the future. That would be my point, yes. On February 28 2012 08:31 Khanz wrote:This is much more complicated than that. You guys need to understand the differenciation between a feminist and someone who has nothing against women rights. FACT: The feminist movement is very limited in France, around 3000 total feminists were counted in the last protest. So considering this number, you can deduce why the feminisit movement is a blattant mascarade to divide people when there are better efficient moves to make with the same amount of mediatic energy. In fact, as told above this post, the feminist movement was born in USA and they were a pretty elite circle. The reason this feminist movement is minor is because you cannot just put all the women in the same sac to get them to your cause for obvious politic interests. TL;DR Mademoiselle is just the surface, the rest is hidden below and yet remains unchanged. The point I was making was that French feminists fought to change the surface and are now celebrating, which is why I concurred with the question, "This is really feminists' biggest concern right now?" | ||
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Ermac
336 Posts
On February 28 2012 09:24 dAPhREAk wrote: yeah, they are still in a disadvantageous position, but its slowly improving. and LOL at your being upset over "women only saunas." LOL not upset. That came across wrong ^^ That's exactly my point. I'm not upset by it, and neither are any other men I know of. But some feminists are literally upset by everything that doesn't put them in an advantageous position over men. | ||
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raincat
United States28 Posts
On February 28 2012 09:44 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: Yes, it is very different in France. It's basically the same as Misses, in fact. Unless Misses is an abhorrent term, then there's nothing wrong about "Madame"in France.I think it probably has something to do with the way people with that title are portrayed in movies. But I'm not too keen on "Missus" either. That's my mom's title, not mine. But men have always only had one option. I'm sure we'd be used to it if it had always been just "Madame" or "Missus" but I think it's a really big cultural shift to remove it. On February 28 2012 09:45 Blasterion wrote: Well Think about how nice sounding is mademoiselle. Why kill it off? like the OP said if your marital status are unknown mademoiselle signifies interest while madame is just polite. Why can't women have two titles and men have only one? it's just a title. I mean if this goes thru soon the feminists will start to ask us to call them sirs because they want to be the same as men. True. I see no problem with the difference personally, and your point just makes me oppose the change all the more. They probably won't stop here. But I still do see how on the official forms and such, it might be a bit sexist to require women to differentiate between married and unmarried. But then most official forms also ask for marital status so you are probably already telling them......it is all so muddled. | ||
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RaiZ
2813 Posts
On February 28 2012 01:28 FreddYCooL wrote: Why should you have a distinction between married and unmarried females when there is no such distinction between males? I don't know about you, and i'm pretty sure i'm not alone but we sometimes (if not always) say mademoiselle instead of madame even to young married ladies. It simply doesn't matter really. I guess it's pretty much like the asians and their ways of indicatives older / younger terms ? Edit : I can only understand from a administrative's perspective. I guess they want to get rid of the 3 differents forms that exist (Mr, Mrs, miss) ? But other than that, i hardly see ppl getting rid of it. Time will tell i guess.  | ||
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Abort Retry Fail
2636 Posts
We have to get rid of Mrs., and use Miss instead. Or else it would be strange to call everyone Mrs. Or maybe adapt the Madam? But its too formal. Or use Lady? That'd be awesome. Hello there, lady. LOL. | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On February 28 2012 11:20 Abort Retry Fail wrote: Well, in English it means the opposite actually, right? We have to get rid of Mrs., and use Miss instead. Or else it would be strange to call everyone Mrs. Or maybe adapt the Madam? But its too formal. Or use Lady? That'd be awesome. Hello there, lady. LOL. Dude, I am all for "lady" That'd be awesome. but only if they will refer to me and other males as sirs | ||
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