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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16710 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-18 00:10:05
March 18 2019 00:04 GMT
#16521
On March 18 2019 06:59 Puosu wrote:
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On March 17 2019 12:28 JimmiC wrote:
Which brings up how correlation does not mean causation. And you need to look into what socio economic groups have more single mothers and so on.

Yes! Family structure is a good predictor variable for many externalizing and internalizing problems in children and youth, but it (often) turns out to be spurious when you control for family income, education etc. (there's a review in Patterson & Hastings 2006, in Handbook of Socialization: Theory and Research of some of these findings.)


predictor variable? so you are talking about using regression analysis to make a prediction. Care to explain that further? or is it some other statistical method?
On March 17 2019 12:02 Kingkosi wrote:
Jimmy is reminding me of this article I read that said 26 out of the last 27 mass shooters from America came from single mother households. Here's a snippet from that article:
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Fatherlessness is a serious problem. America’s boys have been under stress for decades. It’s not toxic masculinity hurting them, it’s the fact that when they come home there are no fathers there. Plain and simple. Add that to a bunch of horrible cultural trends telling them that everything bad is good (gang culture, drugs, misogyny, etc.), and we’ve got a serious problem on our hands.

Venker goes on to explain that of CNN’s list of the 27 Deadliest Mass Shootings In U.S. History, (www.cnn.com), only one was raised by his biological father since childhood.

“Indeed, there is a direct correlation between boys who grow up with absent fathers and boys who drop out of school, who drink, who do drugs, who become delinquent and who wind up in prison,” she writes. “And who kill their classmates.”


Here are some statistics about children being raised by single mothers: + Show Spoiler +
63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes (US Dept. Of Health/Census) – 5 times the average.
90% of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes – 32 times the average.
85% of all children who show behavior disorders come from fatherless homes – 20 times the average. (Center for Disease Control)
80% of rapists with anger problems come from fatherless homes –14 times the average. (Justice & Behavior, Vol 14, p. 403-26)
71% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes – 9 times the average. (National Principals Association Report)


Father Factor in Education – Fatherless children are twice as likely to drop out of school.

Children with Fathers who are involved are 40% less likely to repeat a grade in school.
Children with Fathers who are involved are 70% less likely to drop out of school.
Children with Fathers who are involved are more likely to get A’s in school.
Children with Fathers who are involved are more likely to enjoy school and engage in extracurricular activities.
75% of all adolescent patients in chemical abuse centers come from fatherless homes – 10 times the average.


Father Factor in Drug and Alcohol Abuse – Researchers at Columbia University found that children living in two-parent household with a poor relationship with their father are 68% more likely to smoke, drink, or use drugs compared to all teens in two-parent households. Teens in single mother households are at a 30% higher risk than those in two-parent households.

70% of youths in state-operated institutions come from fatherless homes – 9 times the average. (U.S. Dept. of Justice, Sept. 1988)
85% of all youths in prison come from fatherless homes – 20 times the average. (Fulton Co. Georgia, Texas Dept. of Correction)


Father Factor in Incarceration – Even after controlling for income, youths in father-absent households still had significantly higher odds of incarceration than those in mother-father families. Youths who never had a father in the household experienced the highest odds. A 2002 Department of Justice survey of 7,000 inmates revealed that 39% of jail inmates lived in mother-only households. Approximately forty-six percent of jail inmates in 2002 had a previously incarcerated family member. One-fifth experienced a father in prison or jail.


Father Factor in Crime – A study of 109 juvenile offenders indicated that family structure significantly predicts delinquency. Adolescents, particularly boys, in single-parent families were at higher risk of status, property and person delinquencies. Moreover, students attending schools with a high proportion of children of single parents are also at risk. A study of 13,986 women in prison showed that more than half grew up without their father. Forty-two percent grew up in a single-mother household and sixteen percent lived with neither parent


Father Factor in Child Abuse – Compared to living with both parents, living in a single-parent home doubles the risk that a child will suffer physical, emotional, or educational neglect. The overall rate of child abuse and neglect in single-parent households is 27.3 children per 1,000, whereas the rate of overall maltreatment in two-parent households is 15.5 per 1,000.

Daughters of single parents without a Father involved are 53% more likely to marry as teenagers, 711% more likely to have children as teenagers, 164% more likely to have a pre-marital birth and 92% more likely to get divorced themselves.

Adolescent girls raised in a 2 parent home with involved Fathers are significantly less likely to be sexually active than girls raised without involved Fathers.

43% of US children live without their father [US Department of Census]
90% of homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes. [US D.H.H.S., Bureau of the Census]
80% of rapists motivated with displaced anger come from fatherless homes. [Criminal Justice & Behaviour, Vol 14, pp. 403-26, 1978]
71% of pregnant teenagers lack a father. [U.S. Department of Health and Human Services press release, Friday, March 26, 1999]
63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes. [US D.H.H.S., Bureau of the Census]
85% of children who exhibit behavioral disorders come from fatherless homes. [Center for Disease Control]
90% of adolescent repeat arsonists live with only their mother. [Wray Herbert, “Dousing the Kindlers,” Psychology Today, January, 1985, p. 28]
71% of high school dropouts come from fatherless homes. [National Principals Association Report on the State of High Schools]
75% of adolescent patients in chemical abuse centers come from fatherless homes. [Rainbows f for all God’s Children]
70% of juveniles in state operated institutions have no father. [US Department of Justice, Special Report, Sept. 1988]
85% of youths in prisons grew up in a fatherless home. [Fulton County Georgia jail populations, Texas Department of Corrections, 1992]
Fatherless boys and girls are: twice as likely to drop out of high school; twice as likely to end up in jail; four times more likely to need help for emotional or behavioral problems. [US D.H.H.S. news release, March 26, 1999]


Census Fatherhood Statistics
64.3 million: Estimated number of fathers across the nation
26.5 million: Number of fathers who are part of married-couple families with their own children under the age of 18.
Among these fathers –
22 percent are raising three or more of their own children under 18 years old (among married-couple family households only).
2 percent live in the home of a relative or a non-relative.
2.5 million: Number of single fathers, up from 400,000 in 1970. Currently, among single parents living with their children, 18 percent are men.
Among these fathers –
8 percent are raising three or more of their own children under 18 years old.
42 percent are divorced, 38 percent have never married, 16 percent are separated and 4 percent are widowed. (The percentages of those divorced and never married are not significantly different from one another.)
16 percent live in the home of a relative or a non-relative.
27 percent have an annual family income of $50,000 or more.
85 percent: Among the 30.2 million fathers living with children younger than 18, the percentage who lived with their biological children only.
11 percent lived with step-children
4 percent with adopted children
< 1 percent with foster children


Recent policies encourage the development of programs designed to improve the economic status of low-income nonresident fathers and the financial and emotional support provided to their children. This brief provides ten key lessons from several important early responsible fatherhood initiatives that were developed and implemented during the 1990s and early 2000s. Formal evaluations of these earlier fatherhood efforts have been completed making this an opportune time to step back and assess what has been learned and how to build on the early programs’ successes and challenges.While the following statistics are formidable, the Responsible Fatherhood research literature generally supports the claim that a loving and nurturing father improves outcomes for children, families and communities.

Children with involved, loving fathers are significantly more likely to do well in school, have healthy self-esteem, exhibit empathy and pro-social behavior, and avoid high-risk behaviors such as drug use, truancy, and criminal activity compared to children who have uninvolved fathers.
Studies on parent-child relationships and child wellbeing show that father love is an important factor in predicting the social, emotional, and cognitive development and functioning of children and young adults.
24 million children (34 percent) live absent their biological father.
Nearly 20 million children (27 percent) live in single-parent homes.
43 percent of first marriages dissolve within fifteen years; about 60 percent of divorcing couples have children; and approximately one million children each year experience the divorce of their parents.
Fathers who live with their children are more likely to have a close, enduring relationship with their children than those who do not.
Compared to children born within marriage, children born to cohabiting parents are three times as likely to experience father absence, and children born to unmarried, non-cohabiting parents are four times as likely to live in a father-absent home.
About 40 percent of children in father-absent homes have not seen their father at all during the past year; 26 percent of absent fathers live in a different state than their children; and 50 percent of children living absent their father have never set foot in their father’s home.
Children who live absent their biological fathers are, on average, at least two to three times more likely to be poor, to use drugs, to experience educational, health, emotional and behavioral problems, to be victims of child abuse, and to engage in criminal behavior than their peers who live with their married, biological (or adoptive) parents.
From 1995 to 2000, the proportion of children living in single-parent homes slightly declined, while the proportion of children living with two married parents remained stable.


If the question is do most criminals come from single parent households then I think the answer would be yes. Especially so if they were raised by single mothers.

This is some good data to examine and contemplate. A good thing to do is look at some of the less spectacular data results and see if they jive with your own personal observations. Get ready for the spin doctors though. They'll be here soon.

I went to the best engineering school in Canada. In first year I stayed in university residence. 48 guys on 1 floor, mostly engineers. I was the only 1 out of 48 that came from a single parent home.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
March 18 2019 00:53 GMT
#16522
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Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
March 18 2019 01:00 GMT
#16523
On March 18 2019 08:37 Nebuchad wrote:
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On March 18 2019 06:10 Alejandrisha wrote:
On March 18 2019 03:59 mahrgell wrote:
On the topic of propaganda: Facebook announced, that there were 1.5 million attempts to reupload the video on FB during the first 24hrs after the crime.


and less than 1.5 million attempts at terror attacks i presume.

propaganda can be effective but it doesn't exist in a vacuum. it's consumed in the context of some one's every day life. if it promises happiness to a person who is sad, then certainly that is more effective. it can also fall on deaf ears. it affects everyone differently and to varying degrees. simply turning it off and shielding people that are prone to indoctrination while not under gunpoint are going to fall for whatever ruse you throw at them. i don't think that warrants mass censorship.


You just list a bunch of things that are true about propaganda and then conclude that therefore censorship of fascists on Youtube isn't warranted. There is no link between your post and its conclusion. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do with your post. You also seem to drastically underestimate the number of people who are susceptible to propaganda in general. Fox News is the most watched cable news network.

"I find this hard to believe considering our innate confirmation bias. while it is sometimes interesting or even tempting to delve into conspiracy theory, people generally gravitate to content they agree with. radicalization goes against this. if you can provide contradictory evidence, please do."

Radicalization works better and faster on recent converts to an ideology. But, like, who cares? Even if that wasn't true, you could encounter some propaganda that is similar to an ideology you already agree with. If you're a nationalist, or if you're one of the "I'm not a racist but..." people, it's a small leap from that to a fascist world view, you just have to push the right buttons.

"yes, but with 2 factors in mind, which i've been driving at: personality/innate-- authoritarian personality more likely to accept authority despite their own inkling-- socialization//nurture-- i believe many are ushered into the caliphate by those who want to take advantage of the former. is that difficult to believe in such a sadistic cult as theism this would be implausible? please explain."

Okay, what's the argument connected to this and how does it relate to removing the microphone that is currently attached to fascism.

"i'm simply saying that the layman should have access to the same information as the elite. this is simply access of information. we cannot fight the enemy if we do not know the enemy. how would i know that jihadists love death more than we infidels love life if this wasn't proliferated? sheltering yourself from radicalism doesn't make it go away."

Videos where fascists lie about the world to encourage you to follow fascism typically aren't the best source of information, whether you're a layman or the elite. You talk about knowing your enemy; ISIS propaganda videos are banned and yet you still got access to that information that you seem to believe is super important, even though it's super generic and not particularly useful in any way. How about instead of fascist propaganda we have some correct information about fascism on Youtube? Let's say, a video from Innuendo Studios about white fascism that is excellent? Sounds like it would be much better, and it's available for all of us laymen.


my replying post got lost in the ether of the internet. i will revisit
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yB.TeH
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Germany414 Posts
March 18 2019 01:25 GMT
#16524
On March 18 2019 08:37 Nebuchad wrote:
Videos where fascists lie about the world to encourage you to follow fascism typically aren't the best source of information, whether you're a layman or the elite. You talk about knowing your enemy; ISIS propaganda videos are banned and yet you still got access to that information that you seem to believe is super important, even though it's super generic and not particularly useful in any way. How about instead of fascist propaganda we have some correct information about fascism on Youtube? Let's say, a video from Innuendo Studios about white fascism that is excellent? Sounds like it would be much better, and it's available for all of us laymen.

the irony
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16710 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-18 02:17:47
March 18 2019 01:44 GMT
#16525
This is just a back and forth regarding a challenge of the facts of my personal life.. so i'll spoiler the whole thing
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On March 18 2019 09:53 JimmiC wrote:
First 1 in 48 is such a shocking number it is almost unbelievable,

What you can do is canvas the current class of male Waterloo Software Engineers this year. See how many are from 1 parent divorced families. I'll bet you it is under 10%. If it were under 5% I wouldn't even blink. The "East E" Village 1 floor I was in .. it was ~2% single parent family kids.
On March 18 2019 09:53 JimmiC wrote:
First 1 in 48 is such a shocking number it is almost unbelievable, and that is not even to the incredible accomplishment of both you beating the odds in such an astronomical way but also that you had the emotional intelligence to get to know all 47 of the other gentleman to a personal enough level to know their parental situation and then remember it all this many years later to use at this perfect moment. Bravo.

personal enough level? i lived with these guys for 8 months. Engineers share a lot of the same course work in 1st year. So there is lots of working together especially on the toughest math and physics problems. I didn't really think about it until about 3 months in. We'd talk about our lives at home.. our parents .. our siblings...etc. This is when I started to notice I was the only one who had divorced parents. I hadn't thought about it more until someone a couple of doors down specifically pointed it out.

My single parent status was also noticeable when parents picked up and dropped us off for long weekends.
On March 18 2019 09:53 JimmiC wrote:
and that is not even to the incredible accomplishment of both you beating the odds in such an astronomical way

I didn't study much harder than the gang of hooligans I hung out with in high school. I just had a lot more natural talent in mathematics, physics, and computer science than my friends did. So I don't think getting into the University of Waterloo was some "incredible accomplishment". Now, completing the program at Waterloo was pretty tough.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-18 02:54:09
March 18 2019 02:41 GMT
#16526
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16710 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-18 03:20:46
March 18 2019 02:45 GMT
#16527
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On March 18 2019 11:41 JimmiC wrote:
Im not able to go canvas your old university classmates, they also would probably be pretty wierded out by my question. Could you do it? Or perhaps that statustic is available?

no no,you can canvas this year's Waterloo Software Engineering class. its not hard.

On March 18 2019 11:41 JimmiC wrote:
See perfectly reasonable, and all the kids, none have their own cars so picked up and dropped off on weekends by their nuclear family.

Did you go 150+km away to university and move in to residence when you were 17 or 18? it doesn't sound like you did.
How many 17 year olds have a G2 license?

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How many 17 year olds do you know.. move out to university and get zero help from their parents? They just show up ... alone to their university residence after making a 2+ hour drive, alone, with all their stuff and just move in themselves, alone? What I saw on move in day was a big "photo op" for all the families... their kid moving out. I met my room mates entire family on day (-2) of Frosh Week. His parents and sister. Lots of family yap on Day 1.

on long weekends occasionally they would make the trek home alone... but not usually. Usually someone came to pick them up. Often both parents. Usually when they returned left and then returned for a long weekend they took some stuff with them and arrived with a bunch of new stuff.

Now this all changes in later years. But, 1st year... 17 and 18 year olds get a lot of help from their parents.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
March 18 2019 03:41 GMT
#16528
On March 18 2019 11:45 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
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On March 18 2019 11:41 JimmiC wrote:
Im not able to go canvas your old university classmates, they also would probably be pretty wierded out by my question. Could you do it? Or perhaps that statustic is available?

no no,you can canvas this year's Waterloo Software Engineering class. its not hard.

On March 18 2019 11:41 JimmiC wrote:
See perfectly reasonable, and all the kids, none have their own cars so picked up and dropped off on weekends by their nuclear family.

Did you go 150+km away to university and move in to residence when you were 17 or 18? it doesn't sound like you did.
How many 17 year olds have a G2 license?

+ Show Spoiler +
How many 17 year olds do you know.. move out to university and get zero help from their parents? They just show up ... alone to their university residence after making a 2+ hour drive, alone, with all their stuff and just move in themselves, alone? What I saw on move in day was a big "photo op" for all the families... their kid moving out. I met my room mates entire family on day (-2) of Frosh Week. His parents and sister. Lots of family yap on Day 1.

on long weekends occasionally they would make the trek home alone... but not usually. Usually someone came to pick them up. Often both parents. Usually when they returned left and then returned for a long weekend they took some stuff with them and arrived with a bunch of new stuff.

Now this all changes in later years. But, 1st year... 17 and 18 year olds get a lot of help from their parents.


Not sure how you managed to make this about you, I guess you had some help.

But the killer in this instance self reported in his manifesto that he is a perfectly regular white dude from a perfectly normal family. His actions were brought about by the fact that he was concerned that his "lands" (the ones they literally invaded some hundred years ago that belonged in the realm of a European Ethnostate were going to get taken over by invading immigrants who make more babies then they do so they would get wiped out.

Thats the TLDR version
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-18 12:01:25
March 18 2019 11:54 GMT
#16529
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16710 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-18 13:14:15
March 18 2019 12:22 GMT
#16530
On March 18 2019 12:41 Rebs wrote:
he is a perfectly regular white dude from a perfectly normal family.

his parents split up when he was young. he grew up in a fatherless home. As that other poster pointed out so many of theses mass shooters grow up in fatherless homes.
On March 18 2019 12:41 Rebs wrote:
self reported in his manifesto that he is a perfectly regular white dude from a perfectly normal family. His actions were brought about by the fact that he was concerned that his "lands" (the ones they literally invaded some hundred years ago that belonged in the realm of a European Ethnostate were going to get taken over by invading immigrants who make more babies then they do so they would get wiped out.
Thats the TLDR version

I would not read too much into this guy's latest "manifesto". He went from communist, to anarchist to libertarian to "eco-fascist" .. .whatever that is. While being an eco-facsist he most closely aligned himself with the People's Republic of China? HUH? umm ya.
sounds more like internal chaos than anything else. its that internal chaos of extreme ideology changes that i'd view as the red flag.
On March 18 2019 12:41 Rebs wrote:
European Ethnostate were going to get taken over by invading immigrants who make more babies then they do so they would get wiped out.

Sounds like he has low self esteem. Mostly immigrants start off at a big disadvantage compared to the locals.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8080 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-18 12:58:01
March 18 2019 12:57 GMT
#16531
On March 18 2019 08:05 Alejandrisha wrote:
On March 17 2019 22:38 Nebuchad wrote:
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Little Suzy absolutely became an isis wife through watching a few propaganda videos.


I only believe this so a certain extent. I believe Suzy was convinced by her husband/lover and is probably in an extremely abusive relationship.

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That's actually the main principle behind propaganda: it makes people think stuff that they wouldn't otherwise.


I find this hard to believe considering our innate confirmation bias. while it is sometimes interesting or even tempting to delve into conspiracy theory, people generally gravitate to content they agree with. radicalization goes against this. if you can provide contradictory evidence, please do.

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In your second paragraph, when you're creating a separation between people like you and people who might become fascists,


yes i did, in the same way you separate yourself from the people you are talking about, whether or not you are included. i'm not saying i'm perfect and immune from bias. i am simply saying research suggests those with authoritarian personalities are more likely to take cues from others rather than think for themselves. i don't think this is for debate. that i am here talking to you about these ideas should cue you to think i don't think/behave in these ways.

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you admit yourself that they get turned by watching a few propaganda videos.


yes, but with 2 factors in mind, which i've been driving at: personality/innate-- authoritarian personality more likely to accept authority despite their own inkling-- socialization//nurture-- i believe many are ushered into the caliphate by those who want to take advantage of the former. is that difficult to believe in such a sadistic cult as theism this would be implausible? please explain.

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Are you sure you know what you're here to say?


yes..?

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It's fairly nonsensical to say that reinforcing hate speech laws means we're treating internet users like babies, and I'm not sure what you mean by "will prevent good actors from knowing what they are dealing with".


i'm simply saying that the layman should have access to the same information as the elite. this is simply access of information. we cannot fight the enemy if we do not know the enemy. how would i know that jihadists love death more than we infidels love life if this wasn't proliferated? sheltering yourself from radicalism doesn't make it go away.



On the confirmation bias: This is only the case if you actively think about it. If you try to convince me today that all X is evil, I will tell you rightfully to piss off. But if all my news feeds, family, friends, etc keep low key mentioning over many many years how much they hate people of group X, I will naturally incline to agree with them to fit in. If I never stop to challenge that view, which is a rare thing for people to do, then the groundwork to become an extremist is already in place. All that's left is a bit of psychopathy and an excuse.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 18 2019 13:59 GMT
#16532
There is also the article from the Verge that detailed how Facebook can't keep their own moderators from being radicalized by the content they are moderating.

https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/25/18229714/cognizant-facebook-content-moderator-interviews-trauma-working-conditions-arizona

With the ever mounting evidence of how extremists of all creeds are using social media to recruit and radicalize, I become very suspicious of people who continue to advocating that nothing should change and talk about treating internet users like babies. This isn’t the late 1990s when we were all on dial up, using private message broads.
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
March 18 2019 14:05 GMT
#16533
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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13931 Posts
March 18 2019 15:12 GMT
#16534
I didn't see that at all in the article you linked. It said that they agreed in principle to gun reforms and that they will announce what those ideas might be in ten days.
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
March 18 2019 15:12 GMT
#16535
Shooter shot up a tram in Utrecht in The Netherlands. 3 deaths so far and 9 wounded, some heavily. Shooter is still on the run. Currently a huge manhunt is underway, schools and other public buildings in Utrecht are on lockdown, massive police activity including anti-terror special forces, highways and train stations under guard...

Still not sure if it's the 'standard' terrorist attack, seems to me like he could have made a lot more casualties if that was the goal. It's pretty confusing tbh.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 18 2019 15:28 GMT
#16536
On March 19 2019 00:12 Sermokala wrote:
I didn't see that at all in the article you linked. It said that they agreed in principle to gun reforms and that they will announce what those ideas might be in ten days.

I am not familiar with how NZ’s legislature works or government works, but all the reporting I am hearing is that the laws likely will change very quickly. Most nations do not have the current problem with taking actions after tragic events that the US currently suffers from.
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
March 18 2019 15:33 GMT
#16537
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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13931 Posts
March 18 2019 15:46 GMT
#16538
I'm saying that they're saying that they'll announce what they want to do with gun control 10 days after the shooting. That they're meeting was just to agree in principle about what they wanted to do. I think that there will be a delay as they solidify what exactly they're going to do and to get more people on board with the specifics. I think it might not happen as they might run into disagreements on what exactly to do. Some may just be on board with AR platform rifles being banned while others might not be satisfied with anything less than all semi-automatic weapons regardless of class or model. And then discussions on what to do with the stock of these weapons that are privately owned.

These issues arn't unique to america, smaller nations just have fewer viewpoints to take into account.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 18 2019 15:56 GMT
#16539
And functioning legislatures that pass laws in response to world events. Our federal legislature has not been that active in the last two decades by its own metrics of measurement.

The reality is we don’t know if the announcement will be updated laws that they plan of passing or something more vague. My bet is it will be specific updates to the laws, but I’m happy to admit I’m wrong ten days from now.
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
March 18 2019 15:57 GMT
#16540
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