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British Couple Kicked out of the US for joking - Page 28
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don_kyuhote
3006 Posts
thats all i have to say. | ||
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FFGenerations
7088 Posts
On February 01 2012 14:04 NIJ wrote: Theres no system in the world thats gonna prevent people from bombing your plane if theyre really adamant about it. But no the industry is not gonna just accept as truth because that affects people's behaviors. The security is there so it makes people feel safe and they continue flying. Just like when some old lady takes hapkido class she feels better about herself. They should have let the brits thru since its just bunch of bs anyway and all they have to do is pick on bunch of brown people and all the white people in the plane will feel better. theres no need to do it to white people either. :p mostly the "security" is there because certain people make a whole lot of money from having it there | ||
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GeyzeR
250 Posts
It is very unlikely that a terrorist will tweet "I am going to bomb America" before actually trying to do it. But do not think that they are so stupid there. Breivik, for example, has demonstrated in internet that something wrong is going on in his mind on many occasions. They collect "suspects" and form a database, then watch these people closer. Initially the key word search is used. Gmail, maybe some other e-mail services, is scanned too. It is better to know in advance. It may be illegal, but who is going to complain and how do you prove it? | ||
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Poltergeist-
Sweden336 Posts
Now I highly doubt they had any such plans but yeah..you get my point. | ||
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OniGami
Japan140 Posts
Security is a serious issue in America. No one should get that wrong. I personally am in the middle of the issue. I am a naturalized American but with strong Asian heritage. If you ask me, I'd say the country is overdoing it a bit. But having experienced 911, I would rather be safe than sorry again. People should use their brains. Why would you even give HLS any reason to flag you. Doing even nothing can get you suspected, what else having openly declared, joke or not, something that is definitely sensitive to America. As to the guards, I am sure they were just following protocol. These things are black and white in American laws and security protocols. | ||
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urashimakt
United States1591 Posts
Also, I hope the warm welcome didn't turn the British couple off the U.S. for good or harm them in any severe way. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10705 Posts
On February 01 2012 20:07 Poltergeist- wrote: I just can't imagine the uproar if the couple was allowed through and then it turned out they did have malicious plans. People would forever rage about how stupid the agents were that let them through because the couple even tweeted about their plans!!! Now I highly doubt they had any such plans but yeah..you get my point. Ahm.. dude. 1: The couple was questioned ---> Ok, if your paranoid and as far as i can see from this tread, a lot of americans are paranoid. 2: The couple had to spend the night in Jail --> Not ok. 3: The couple was denied entrance and sent back --> Not ok. "Why are you even giving HLS a chance to flag you?" Ahm, because most parts of the world are not totally paranoid and watch their language whenever they expect more than 1 person to hear/read it. | ||
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ApocAlypsE007
Israel1007 Posts
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eu.exodus
South Africa1186 Posts
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doubleupgradeobbies!
Australia1187 Posts
On February 01 2012 20:13 OniGami wrote: Why would you even give HLS any reason to flag you. Doing even nothing can get you suspected, what else having openly declared, joke or not, something that is definitely sensitive to America. As to the guards, I am sure they were just following protocol. These things are black and white in American laws and security protocols. That's what the uproar is about, noone is denying the US's right or ability to uphold those laws. But the thing is those two DIDN'T give the HLS any reason to flag them. They used a pretty innocent turn of phrase that they probably didn't even think about. Are they also going to flag everyone who uses the phrases 'da bomb' or 'they won't know what hit them' or any other phrases that could be interpreted the wrong way? if so it could well become unrealistic to use twitter and plan to travel to the US at all, I mean if you try hard enough anything could be interpreted the wrong way. This is further confounded by the fact that after detaining them, they were not eventually allowed to enter US at all, surely after making sure they didn't have shovels, and getting it explained to you, if somewhat sarcastically you would eventually get it. This just shows how out of touch those people were. It is not a matter of the law being wrong, the law allows for human judgement from those agents, otherwise they could just refuse the 2 without arresting them, but clearly those agents that did the questioning were either out of touch with reality to the point of incompetence, or they were being intentionally obstructive, due to, I don't know, offence at having sarcasm thrown at them or something? I mean seriously, I find it hard to swallow that they could actually believe those 2 wanted to dig up Marylin Munroe.... | ||
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TheDraken
United States640 Posts
On January 31 2012 19:15 bOneSeven wrote: Now.. seriously guys, paranoia much ? For example in comic slang you use words like "bomb" "killed" "destroyed" .... are they gonna put them under terrorist suspicion for using such words ? It seems to me that this false sense of security won't help anyone, and since it escalated, if we won't move off the track....more abuse will come I for one believe that is better to, well firstly change foreign policy on US, because most of it are causes to hate towards America ( as detailed by the CIA , and 3 more US Generals as well ), then after a while when water cools, loose all the ridiculuos laws of paranoia and let the people live free and without fear of not saying the "wrong" words or whatever. What would happen ? Without this hate for America, terrorist acts would only be commited by seriously sick people ( clinicly proven ), and most of them are spotted before they might do any damage... I believe Benjamin Franklin had it right .... "he who chooses security over liberty deserves neither" something to set straight about americans and american government: they are two ENTIRELY different things. US government seeks to protect itself and employs these nutjobs in the first place. the rest of us americans are pissed off at the ridiculous nature of it all but can't do anything about it. elect better politicians into government? if only. the only people who get far enough through the system to get recognition are the same crazy people willing to play the games all these other politicians do. elections have become about "who is the least damaging for our future". so yeah. it's obnoxious. we all want it to stop. just like every other country. | ||
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Nizaris
Belgium2230 Posts
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furymonkey
New Zealand1587 Posts
It doesn't has to be a terrorist threat for them to deny your entry. It's exactly the same when you're applying visa for any country, even if you don't have to sit through interview to apply tourist visa from a US friendly countries, that doesn't exempt you to be like that, I dare you to say the exactly same thing during those interview, you'll not get your visa approved. | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
On February 01 2012 20:35 furymonkey wrote: "Entering the United States is a privilege, not a right. " It doesn't has to be a terrorist threat for them to deny your entry. It's exactly the same when you're applying visa for any country, even if you don't have to sit through interview to apply tourist visa from a US friendly countries, that doesn't exempt you to be like that, I dare you to say the exactly same thing during those interview, you'll not get your visa approved. This could be said for every single country. A lot of the world gets lost in the day to day. We don't think about the finest details because we would become inundated by them. Spot fucking on. There's no universal free transit right. For Americans we can travel anywhere in or even out of our country for free without restriction as long as we aren't criminals. ~_~ that puts us pretty damn high up on the list. | ||
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doubleupgradeobbies!
Australia1187 Posts
On February 01 2012 20:35 furymonkey wrote: "Entering the United States is a privilege, not a right. " It doesn't has to be a terrorist threat for them to deny your entry. It's exactly the same when you're applying visa for any country, even if you don't have to sit through interview to apply tourist visa from a US friendly countries, that doesn't exempt you to be like that, I dare you to say the exactly same thing during those interview, you'll not get your visa approved. To be fair, not getting your visa approved is a heck of alot better than getting there then being sent back. At least that way you might be able to cancel your plane ticket/have time to restructure you plans. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On February 01 2012 20:52 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote: To be fair, not getting your visa approved is a heck of alot better than getting there then being sent back. At least that way you might be able to cancel your plane ticket/have time to restructure you plans. idd, for people they thought were going to "blow up america" its funny that they still let them on the plane, because no ones ever hijacked a plane before right... On February 01 2012 20:43 Probe1 wrote: This could be said for every single country. A lot of the world gets lost in the day to day. We don't think about the finest details because we would become inundated by them. Spot fucking on. There's no universal free transit right. For Americans we can travel anywhere in or even out of our country for free without restriction as long as we aren't criminals. ~_~ that puts us pretty damn high up on the list. its this kind of xenophobic atmosphere that isolates america from the rest of the world On February 01 2012 13:10 white_horse wrote: Do you really think that the only thing that security agencies in the US and other countries do to prevent terror attacks is to search for tag words on the internet or did you just accidently imply that? I hope its the latter. so far all this american lead/style "defence against terror" has had a 0% success rate, has cost millions of dollars and has caused more terror than the terrorists.[/QUOTE] Did pulling out random statistics out of your ass work out for you so far?[/QUOTE] 0 people have been caught after posting about it on twitter 0 people walking through one of those full body scanners has ever had a bomb on them 0% success rate On February 01 2012 14:06 LuckyCharms45 wrote: You make is sound as though the DHS pays a man to search twitter for posts about "destroying america" which is not the case. If you are as well versed in homeland security as you claim to be you should know that the DHS uses an algorithm to search as much of the internet as they can to find any possible threats. Whether it finds a hit on twitter, youtube, facebook, or ANY social website, it should be taken seriously. It is easy for us to criticize the agency for being aggressive in their work, yet a mess-up could cost people their lives, as opposed to sending a couple back to England to be 100% sure nothing goes wrong, which will only piss off the two travelers. The reward vs. punishment for that scenario seems loud and clear to me. i made it clear i understood that it was just a machine picking them out in my post above. but its equally clear that no one actually looked at the result, no background checks no request for the british police to stop them getting on the plane, no anything. high risk enough to not allow in the the country, but let them on a plane with 400 other people np. | ||
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dnosrc
Germany454 Posts
On February 01 2012 15:02 white_horse wrote: One small event about an overblown response to a joke suddenly makes our department of defense, NSA, CIA, and the TSA "brainless goons"? This is why human psychology is so sad. So much stereotyping. I applaud what they did and like I wrote several times already, I'd rather see an overreaction than ignoring a potential trace. Europeans and other non-americans are probably thinking that the US government and the people that support this kinds of overreactions are very paranoid, which is wrong. It's not paranoid to investigate any suspicion when 3000 of your people got killed because we were sitting around doing nothing. If there is one thing that americans learned from 9/11, they realized that lots of people around the world hate the US. You know, it's a very powerful message to us when you tell us that you hate us enough to kill 3000 of our citizens. And the government here is basically bending its mind to stop something terrible from happening again. I don't see whats so wrong about that. Maybe most europeans dont "hate" the US but are concerned about the slowly but steadily remove of human rights and warmongering AFTER 9/11? The laws made after 9/11 create an atmosphere of fear which could not have been done better by terrorists. | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
On February 01 2012 20:43 Probe1 wrote: This could be said for every single country. A lot of the world gets lost in the day to day. We don't think about the finest details because we would become inundated by them. Spot fucking on. There's no universal free transit right. For Americans we can travel anywhere in or even out of our country for free without restriction as long as we aren't criminals. ~_~ that puts us pretty damn high up on the list. its this kind of xenophobic atmosphere that isolates america from the rest of the world [/QUOTE] I've been through both Heathrow and Manchester International. At neither time did I get the impression that they wanted to hear a joke about the Queen or going to Hyde Park and wrecking the memorials. It has zero to do with isolationism- which, by the way, is ridiculous, and everything to do with this nonsensical internet mentality that what we say here means nothing and no one is accountable. If you don't like the real world then go petition. If you're successful in the election of a Minister of Silly Walks then I'll damn well do the same here and we can live in a world of peace and humor. Until then we'll just go on dealing with the deadly world that we live in. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10705 Posts
staggering... | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
I've spent some time strictly off line lately and it's reminded me how absurd so many people on this website are. | ||
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