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On February 02 2012 00:50 Prime`Rib wrote:
1. You are not US citizen. The freedom of speech is not entitled to you. To United States, you are just a guest to our country.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Which part of this says citizens only, again?
Either way, this isn't a freedom of speech issue. This is, however, an issue of batshit insane paranoia.
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On February 02 2012 00:55 Nightfall.589 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2012 00:50 Prime`Rib wrote:
1. You are not US citizen. The freedom of speech is not entitled to you. To United States, you are just a guest to our country.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.Which part of this says citizens only, again? Either way, this isn't a freedom of speech issue. This is, however, an issue of batshit insane paranoia.
I expect more from a Canadian.
Congress =/= Parliament.
It is not paranoia. It is just a case when people abused their own idocy and paid a small price for it.
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On February 02 2012 00:50 Prime`Rib wrote:
Why do a bunch of European posters crying about freedom of speech for those 2 British travelers?
1. You are not US citizen. The freedom of speech is not entitled to you. To United States, you are just a guest to our country.
2. Even if US excercises its 1st Amendment on forgeiners; you have to realize that there are things that gonna get you into alot of troubles for saying it.
3. Stop crying about British Slang. This is American. If you are visiting our country, stop crying about our government does not understand your slang. You are a guest here.
If you are dumb enough to give DHS a reason to suspect you a terrorist, you deserve to be sent back home.
So this is what the land of the free and the home of the brave has become? Listen to yourself sir. Here's basically what you said.
YOU'RE NOT ONE OF US SO YOU DON'T DESERVE TO SPEAK FREELY IN OUR COUNTRY. THIS IS OUR COUNTRY SO YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK LIKE US AND ACT LIKE US. IF YOU EVEN SO MUCH AS ACCIDENTALLY HINT AT THE FACT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO COMMIT AN ACT OF TERRORISM, THEN YOU ARE TO BE TREATED AS A TERRORIST.
Seriously dude the problem isn't the freedom of speech. I can understand if they stopped them at the airport, searched their belongings and questioned them slightly. However, from the sound of the article, way that the airport security responded was way over the top. I don't know about you, but I honestly don't feel safe if they're using twitter as a reliable source to attempt to predict an incoming terrorist attack. Who tweets about an incoming terrorist attack before they're about to do it? If these guys, who don't have the common sense to realize that terrorists are not going to announce their attacks to the world before it happens, are so terrible at picking out the people that are not a threat, then what exactly is making the better at picking out the real threats.
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For f-_- sake, the one "official page" originally published by SWNS news (check their background) agency says "continued on I-853" and you're still buying the article.
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On February 02 2012 01:16 Zerksys wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2012 00:50 Prime`Rib wrote:
Why do a bunch of European posters crying about freedom of speech for those 2 British travelers?
1. You are not US citizen. The freedom of speech is not entitled to you. To United States, you are just a guest to our country.
2. Even if US excercises its 1st Amendment on forgeiners; you have to realize that there are things that gonna get you into alot of troubles for saying it.
3. Stop crying about British Slang. This is American. If you are visiting our country, stop crying about our government does not understand your slang. You are a guest here.
If you are dumb enough to give DHS a reason to suspect you a terrorist, you deserve to be sent back home.
So this is what the land of the free and the home of the brave has become? Listen to yourself sir. Here's basically what you said. YOU'RE NOT ONE OF US SO YOU DON'T DESERVE TO SPEAK FREELY IN OUR COUNTRY. THIS IS OUR COUNTRY SO YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK LIKE US AND ACT LIKE US. IF YOU EVEN SO MUCH AS ACCIDENTALLY HINT AT THE FACT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO COMMIT AN ACT OF TERRORISM, THEN YOU ARE TO BE TREATED AS A TERRORIST. Seriously dude the problem isn't the freedom of speech. I can understand if they stopped them at the airport, searched their belongings and questioned them slightly. However, from the sound of the article, way that the airport security responded was way over the top. I don't know about you, but I honestly don't feel safe if they're using twitter as a reliable source to attempt to predict an incoming terrorist attack. Who tweets about an incoming terrorist attack before they're about to do it? If these guys, who don't have the common sense to realize that terrorists are not going to announce their attacks to the world before it happens, are so terrible at picking out the people that are not a threat, then what exactly is making the better at picking out the real threats.
Do you even bother to look up Freedom of Speech before blindly posting to prove your stupidity? I have no need to use my common sense on such sensitive matters. I have guidelines and procedures to follow. Let say I use my common sense to let the British couple passing through. Few days later, they commit a terrorist act. Would you be there and take the responsibility for me? If you can tell me with a straight face, you would be there to take a full responsibility. I am truly sorry for not using my common sense.
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I dont blame them, if i told i posted on twitter as i was entering the UK that i was going to defile there churches and dig up there knights i would not be allowed there im sure.
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On February 02 2012 01:37 Hodgyy wrote:
I dont blame them, if i told i posted on twitter as i was entering the UK that i was going to defile there churches and dig up there knights i would not be allowed there im sure.
People aren't too bothered about church or knights here.
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On January 31 2012 19:27 zdfgucker wrote:I enjoyed the article, especially this part: Show nested quote +The words deemed as being sensitive by the DHS include:
Illegal immigrant
Outbreak
Drill
Strain
Virus
Recovery
Deaths
Collapse
Human to animal
Trojan
Human to animal? Really?
Obviously they don't want any bestiality in the airport. Let's be honest, who does?
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On February 02 2012 00:55 Nightfall.589 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2012 00:50 Prime`Rib wrote:
1. You are not US citizen. The freedom of speech is not entitled to you. To United States, you are just a guest to our country.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.Which part of this says citizens only, again? Either way, this isn't a freedom of speech issue. This is, however, an issue of batshit insane paranoia.
The U.S. Constitution does not protect foreigners in foreign countries. The speech was not made while in the U.S. Entry into the U.S. is conditional for non-citizens, therefore it's up to the government's discretion to let foreigners in or not. These people acted as asshats, and therefore were refused entry.
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On January 31 2012 19:27 zdfgucker wrote:I enjoyed the article, especially this part: Human to animal? Really?
Don't talk about your love for Animorphs!
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On February 02 2012 01:34 Prime`Rib wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2012 01:16 Zerksys wrote:On February 02 2012 00:50 Prime`Rib wrote:
Why do a bunch of European posters crying about freedom of speech for those 2 British travelers?
1. You are not US citizen. The freedom of speech is not entitled to you. To United States, you are just a guest to our country.
2. Even if US excercises its 1st Amendment on forgeiners; you have to realize that there are things that gonna get you into alot of troubles for saying it.
3. Stop crying about British Slang. This is American. If you are visiting our country, stop crying about our government does not understand your slang. You are a guest here.
If you are dumb enough to give DHS a reason to suspect you a terrorist, you deserve to be sent back home.
So this is what the land of the free and the home of the brave has become? Listen to yourself sir. Here's basically what you said. YOU'RE NOT ONE OF US SO YOU DON'T DESERVE TO SPEAK FREELY IN OUR COUNTRY. THIS IS OUR COUNTRY SO YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK LIKE US AND ACT LIKE US. IF YOU EVEN SO MUCH AS ACCIDENTALLY HINT AT THE FACT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO COMMIT AN ACT OF TERRORISM, THEN YOU ARE TO BE TREATED AS A TERRORIST. Seriously dude the problem isn't the freedom of speech. I can understand if they stopped them at the airport, searched their belongings and questioned them slightly. However, from the sound of the article, way that the airport security responded was way over the top. I don't know about you, but I honestly don't feel safe if they're using twitter as a reliable source to attempt to predict an incoming terrorist attack. Who tweets about an incoming terrorist attack before they're about to do it? If these guys, who don't have the common sense to realize that terrorists are not going to announce their attacks to the world before it happens, are so terrible at picking out the people that are not a threat, then what exactly is making the better at picking out the real threats. Do you even bother to look up Freedom of Speech before blindly posting to prove your stupidity? I have no need to use my common sense on such sensitive matters. I have guidelines and procedures to follow. Let say I use my common sense to let the British couple passing through. Few days later, they commit a terrorist act. Would you be there and take the responsibility for me? If you can tell me with a straight face, you would be there to take a full responsibility. I am truly sorry for not using my common sense. Would it be correct to assume you wouldn't let anyone in?
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freedom of speech isn't restricted to USA, it's basically in every country so i hav no idea why this was even mentioned here, when they said it outside of USA
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On February 02 2012 03:20 Chaosu wrote:
freedom of speech isn't restricted to USA, it's basically in every country so i hav no idea why this was even mentioned here, when they said it outside of USA
Each country has regulations on to what extent Freedom of Speech would protect you.
For example:
In Iraq, saying "Bomb American", they would hand you a vest of dynamite and 70 virgins waiting for you in heaven.
In American, saying "Bomb American", you land your ass in Guantanamo Bay.
User was temp banned for this post.
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In the end a state has to decide if they prefer security over freedom or the other way around. To me it seems pretty clear how USA decided.
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I find it alarming, that the US government not only listens in on private conversations but also uses them to flag someone as a terrorist threat depending on certain keywords. This all being worldwide and with no approval of some kind of judge or court.We had some thing like that in East Germany, it was called Stasi. They were also suspicious of everyone, they also listened in on private conversations, they also acted based on this information and they also weren't controlled by any judge or court. I am not saying that the Stasi and the HLS are the same but there are similarities which should at least get you thinking.
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On February 02 2012 03:34 Prime`Rib wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2012 03:20 Chaosu wrote:
freedom of speech isn't restricted to USA, it's basically in every country so i hav no idea why this was even mentioned here, when they said it outside of USA Each country has regulations on to what extent Freedom of Speech would protect you. For example: In Iraq, saying "Bomb American", they would hand you a vest of dynamite and 70 virgins waiting for you in heaven. In American, saying "Bomb American", you land your ass in Guantanamo Bay.
Nice racism there.
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Ha ha verry funny.
People should know by now to not make jokes with usa customs at airfields.
This isnt the first incident ,i remember a dutch football coach beeing held for a few days after he jokingly answerd the question "whats in that bag" with "a bomb!"
Do not make jokes with us customs people ^^
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On February 02 2012 00:50 Prime`Rib wrote:
Why do a bunch of European posters crying about freedom of speech for those 2 British travelers?
1. You are not US citizen. The freedom of speech is not entitled to you. To United States, you are just a guest to our country.
2. Even if US excercises its 1st Amendment on forgeiners; you have to realize that there are things that gonna get you into alot of troubles for saying it.
3. Stop crying about British Slang. This is American. If you are visiting our country, stop crying about our government does not understand your slang. You are a guest here.
If you are dumb enough to give DHS a reason to suspect you a terrorist, you deserve to be sent back home.
Not only is this post filled with spelling mistakes which makes it nearly impossible to read, but pretty much everything in it is absurd and or false.
OT : Not much to add to the discussion in all honesty, I think its pretty obvious the whole situation is rather absurd, a tiney bit of common sense would have helped to avoid such a mess. It does show how careful you have to be when using any form or social media.
edit : reading your last posts I probably wasted my time, you have to be trolling...
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On February 02 2012 03:20 Chaosu wrote:
freedom of speech isn't restricted to USA, it's basically in every country so i hav no idea why this was even mentioned here, when they said it outside of USA
Not all countries have freedom of speech. In America we hold the term very highly so we can have neonazi rallies if we want. In Germany you get your ass in jail for that.
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On February 02 2012 03:34 Prime`Rib wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2012 03:20 Chaosu wrote:
freedom of speech isn't restricted to USA, it's basically in every country so i hav no idea why this was even mentioned here, when they said it outside of USA Each country has regulations on to what extent Freedom of Speech would protect you. For example: In Iraq, saying "Bomb American", they would hand you a vest of dynamite and 70 virgins waiting for you in heaven. In American, saying "Bomb American", you land your ass in Guantanamo Bay.
wtf is wrong with you?
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