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On February 01 2012 12:08 Zerksys wrote:
Wasn't it the United States that hated communism because of a lack of free speech? Honestly China has more free speech than the United States these days.
What.
On February 01 2012 12:10 Alethios wrote:
Yeah well. Americans don't really get humour.
What.
I'm a USesian, and I get humor plenty well, thank you and your mindless generalizations.
Sheesh.
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I hate it when people misquote Benjamin Franklin. Fuck you for misquoting Benjamin Franklin.
Also, one has the responsibility to know United States Airport Protocol. We are thin skinned when it comes to it, and everyone in a relatively well off country can and SHOULD know this when coming into/leaving the United States. To you it is over the top. To us, it's a small, thin, and relatively unobtrusive safety net. A safety net we find NECESSARY, though perhaps not particularly effective. It gives us a little more peace of mind in simply knowing it's there. If they had shown some goddamn respect and you don't have to go through meaningless bullshit.
Also, stating that the United States has to give respect before getting it or other simple America hate comments will be seen as pure trolls. WHY? Because EVEN IF we are as stupid and evil as some make us out to be, even the most idiotic of despots deserve basic human respect.
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On February 01 2012 11:45 Kraidio wrote:
I love the amount of foreigners commenting on this stuff. I guess it is relevant with it being a visit to the US and all but still it feels like every time the US has a minor gaff, the Ant-USA brigade comes crawling out of the woodwork for a couple of one-liners and jabs. Subsequently, everyone quickly forgets about US until the next media triviality.
Welcome to world internet community get used to it, it happens quite often in the TL general section.
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If SC2 has taught me anything it's that taking twitter posts at face value is beyond stupid.
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On February 01 2012 12:20 ShatterZer0 wrote:
I hate it when people misquote Benjamin Franklin. Fuck you for misquoting Benjamin Franklin.
Also, one has the responsibility to know United States Airport Protocol. We are thin skinned when it comes to it, and everyone in a relatively well off country can and SHOULD know this when coming into/leaving the United States. To you it is over the top. To us, it's a small, thin, and relatively unobtrusive safety net. A safety net we find NECESSARY, though perhaps not particularly effective. It gives us a little more peace of mind in simply knowing it's there. If they had shown some goddamn respect and you don't have to go through meaningless bullshit.
Also, stating that the United States has to give respect before getting it or other simple America hate comments will be seen as pure trolls. WHY? Because EVEN IF we are as stupid and evil as some make us out to be, even the most idiotic of despots deserve basic human respect.
I don't understand how you can defend a clear and complete lack of common sense and intelligence. It's not even about the US, most Americans on this forum agree that it's ridiculous. But seeing people actually trying to act like it's normal is starting to scare me...
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where do you draw the line though?
If someone has holding a sign in an airport reading "I am going to destroy America." Is that as "stupid" as tweeting it? Should it be taken any more/less seriously?
Obviously, tweeting it is not exposing it to the public as openly, but why NOT investigate it as a TSA officer? As stupid as it sounds, it would be worth the time of the officer to investigate it, rather than pass it off as a joke.
bottom line, dont be stupid, you can't troll the government. just think about how security is going to be for the 2012 olympics in london; do you think they would let this shit pass?
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On February 01 2012 12:25 MilesTeg wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 12:20 ShatterZer0 wrote:
I hate it when people misquote Benjamin Franklin. Fuck you for misquoting Benjamin Franklin.
Also, one has the responsibility to know United States Airport Protocol. We are thin skinned when it comes to it, and everyone in a relatively well off country can and SHOULD know this when coming into/leaving the United States. To you it is over the top. To us, it's a small, thin, and relatively unobtrusive safety net. A safety net we find NECESSARY, though perhaps not particularly effective. It gives us a little more peace of mind in simply knowing it's there. If they had shown some goddamn respect and you don't have to go through meaningless bullshit.
Also, stating that the United States has to give respect before getting it or other simple America hate comments will be seen as pure trolls. WHY? Because EVEN IF we are as stupid and evil as some make us out to be, even the most idiotic of despots deserve basic human respect. I don't understand how you can defend a clear and complete lack of common sense and intelligence. It's not even about the US, most Americans on this forum agree that it's ridiculous. But seeing people actually trying to act like it's normal is starting to scare me...
I don't understand how you are incapable of seeing the viewpoint of security-when I visited France, everyone there was rude to me b/c of my English.
Of course, I could then say that French people are snobs and then attack anyone w/o said viewpoint.
I like feeling secure. Period. I've been searched many, many times in airports. I have been detained for accidently carrying explosives before. I don't care, because I like my country, thank you very much.
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On February 01 2012 12:10 Alethios wrote:
Yeah well. Americans don't really get humour.
How is this about humor, when you're agency is in charge of making sure (not pretty sure, not "I doubt anything bad will happen" but abso-fucking-lutely sure 0.0000% chance sure) the person you are talking with is not a terrorist or planning anything illegal, you don't fuck around. Is there anything about airport security that makes a person think, "Oh I bet I can get this guy to laugh" ?? And then do you think these guys care about your vacation? No, they do not. They are looking for anyone doing ANYTHING wrong. Do you know why? Because if they let someone by and shit goes wrong, ANYTHING can happen, whether a plane gets highjacked, some drugs or bombs are smuggled in, etc. They aren't doing this to be assholes, they're doing it because that's their job. These people aren't just anyone who needed job, they went through background checks and jumped through hoops to get this job because the job matters. And if you think all that happened was "we said something silly over Twitter and then we were on our best behavior and gave them absolutely no reason to doubt or mistrust us" then I think you're naive.
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What did you expect. Americans love to make a big fuss out of everything.
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On February 01 2012 12:25 MilesTeg wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 12:20 ShatterZer0 wrote:
I hate it when people misquote Benjamin Franklin. Fuck you for misquoting Benjamin Franklin.
Also, one has the responsibility to know United States Airport Protocol. We are thin skinned when it comes to it, and everyone in a relatively well off country can and SHOULD know this when coming into/leaving the United States. To you it is over the top. To us, it's a small, thin, and relatively unobtrusive safety net. A safety net we find NECESSARY, though perhaps not particularly effective. It gives us a little more peace of mind in simply knowing it's there. If they had shown some goddamn respect and you don't have to go through meaningless bullshit.
Also, stating that the United States has to give respect before getting it or other simple America hate comments will be seen as pure trolls. WHY? Because EVEN IF we are as stupid and evil as some make us out to be, even the most idiotic of despots deserve basic human respect. I don't understand how you can defend a clear and complete lack of common sense and intelligence. It's not even about the US, most Americans on this forum agree that it's ridiculous. But seeing people actually trying to act like it's normal is starting to scare me...
Obviously you don't have any family members who threw themselves off the towers. Or friends that had themselves burned to death to try to save just one more person.
Maybe I'm a "too soon" kind of guy, but "a clear lack of common sense and intelligence" is bullshit in my opinion. Even if this British couple is just an overblown example, let them be an overblown example that forewarns others not to make the same mistake in the future. Government is not your friend. Bureaucracy should not have leeway.
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On February 01 2012 12:36 Praetorial wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 12:25 MilesTeg wrote:On February 01 2012 12:20 ShatterZer0 wrote:
I hate it when people misquote Benjamin Franklin. Fuck you for misquoting Benjamin Franklin.
Also, one has the responsibility to know United States Airport Protocol. We are thin skinned when it comes to it, and everyone in a relatively well off country can and SHOULD know this when coming into/leaving the United States. To you it is over the top. To us, it's a small, thin, and relatively unobtrusive safety net. A safety net we find NECESSARY, though perhaps not particularly effective. It gives us a little more peace of mind in simply knowing it's there. If they had shown some goddamn respect and you don't have to go through meaningless bullshit.
Also, stating that the United States has to give respect before getting it or other simple America hate comments will be seen as pure trolls. WHY? Because EVEN IF we are as stupid and evil as some make us out to be, even the most idiotic of despots deserve basic human respect. I don't understand how you can defend a clear and complete lack of common sense and intelligence. It's not even about the US, most Americans on this forum agree that it's ridiculous. But seeing people actually trying to act like it's normal is starting to scare me... I don't understand how you are incapable of seeing the viewpoint of security-when I visited France, everyone there was rude to me b/c of my English. Of course, I could then say that French people are snobs and then attack anyone w/o said viewpoint. I like feeling secure. Period. I've been searched many, many times in airports. I have been detained for accidently carrying explosives before. I don't care, because I like my country, thank you very much.
I don't really understand what this has to do with the French being rude to foreigners (which really is true unfortunately...). You have to realise that the whole situation is ridiculous. If the security relies on terrorists announcing they're going to blow things up on twitter, then aren't we all a bit fucked? I somehow expected a little bit more sophistication on their part, not just acting like brainless robots looking for tag words on the internet.
Also, why the hell were you accidentally carrying explosives? Next time you take a plane, can you let me know in advance so that I'm not anywhere near you?
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On February 01 2012 00:36 Euronyme wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 00:27 white_horse wrote:On February 01 2012 00:10 Euronyme wrote:On February 01 2012 00:01 Count9 wrote:
Anyone dumb enough to joke with airport security about destroying the country they're trying to get into shouldn't be allowed into the country. The security guards obviously knew they were joking, they aren't robots but there are things called protocol. I'm sure the guards knew the chance they were actually there to destroy america was basically 0 but I'm sure they have a manual somewhere that says they have to take every threat seriously. Dude you didn't even read the op. This was a tweet. If you don't know what that is, I can only redirect you to www.twitter.com. The medium through which that rhetoric was expressed doesn't matter. I can tell you that the government here is very serious about preventing terrorist attacks and they've been able to succeed because of this hardline policy. I can sift through 10 years of news articles and I can give you 10, 20 cases where they ferried out terror cells, terror plots, and terror attempts (e.g underwear bomb guy to the detroit bombing attempt). We should applaud the government for helping to keep its citizens safe. I'm sure it's been said a billion times already: it's better safe than sorry and I would rather see this kind of overreaction then read about an article about TSA ignoring a tweet hinting about a terror attack that left a plane full of dead people. Btw, a lot of threads in the general forum appear to be thinly veiled attempts at bashing america or offering a chance for others to bash america. Probably because theres so many europeans who come here. haters gonna hate. You don't see a difference at all between making an inside joke with your friends on a social media, and talking to a security guard at an airport? The choice of words is obviously quite different.
We're talking about twitter here. Twitter posts can be seen by anybody, including the US government. If it's an inside joke they should have kept it to themselves. Again, I'd rather see an overreaction than a couple hundred of dead bodies at the airport.
Like someone else said at the beginning of the thread; if TSA had actually foiled a terror attack by holding these people and finding out that they were albeit very stupid terrorists, everyone in the world would be applauding the US and everyone would be scrambling because they would have to monitor pretty much any kind of suspicious rhetoric, regardless of it being a joke or not. Terrorism isn't restricted to bearded muslims; it can be anything from "lone-wolf" to an insane couple like it could have been here.
On February 01 2012 13:01 MilesTeg wrote:
If the security relies on terrorists announcing they're going to blow things up on twitter, then aren't we all a bit fucked? I somehow expected a little bit more sophistication on their part, not just acting like brainless robots looking for tag words on the internet.
Do you really think that the only thing that security agencies in the US and other countries do to prevent terror attacks is to search for tag words on the internet or did you just accidently imply that? I hope its the latter.
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It's horrifying to see that some people are so incredible biased to agree with authority that they actually defend it even when something preposterous like this happens. I guess that's what fear does to you. 
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On February 01 2012 13:10 white_horse wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 00:36 Euronyme wrote:On February 01 2012 00:27 white_horse wrote:On February 01 2012 00:10 Euronyme wrote:On February 01 2012 00:01 Count9 wrote:
Anyone dumb enough to joke with airport security about destroying the country they're trying to get into shouldn't be allowed into the country. The security guards obviously knew they were joking, they aren't robots but there are things called protocol. I'm sure the guards knew the chance they were actually there to destroy america was basically 0 but I'm sure they have a manual somewhere that says they have to take every threat seriously. Dude you didn't even read the op. This was a tweet. If you don't know what that is, I can only redirect you to www.twitter.com. The medium through which that rhetoric was expressed doesn't matter. I can tell you that the government here is very serious about preventing terrorist attacks and they've been able to succeed because of this hardline policy. I can sift through 10 years of news articles and I can give you 10, 20 cases where they ferried out terror cells, terror plots, and terror attempts (e.g underwear bomb guy to the detroit bombing attempt). We should applaud the government for helping to keep its citizens safe. I'm sure it's been said a billion times already: it's better safe than sorry and I would rather see this kind of overreaction then read about an article about TSA ignoring a tweet hinting about a terror attack that left a plane full of dead people. Btw, a lot of threads in the general forum appear to be thinly veiled attempts at bashing america or offering a chance for others to bash america. Probably because theres so many europeans who come here. haters gonna hate. You don't see a difference at all between making an inside joke with your friends on a social media, and talking to a security guard at an airport? The choice of words is obviously quite different. We're talking about twitter here. Twitter posts can be seen by anybody, including the US government. If it's an inside joke they should have kept it to themselves. Again, I'd rather see an overreaction than a couple hundred of dead bodies at the airport. Like someone else said at the beginning of the thread; if TSA had actually foiled a terror attack by holding these people and finding out that they were albeit very stupid terrorists, everyone in the world would be applauding the US and everyone would be scrambling because they would have to monitor pretty much any kind of suspicious rhetoric, regardless of it being a joke or not. Terrorism isn't restricted to bearded muslims; it can be anything from "lone-wolf" to an insane couple like it could have been here. Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 13:01 MilesTeg wrote:
If the security relies on terrorists announcing they're going to blow things up on twitter, then aren't we all a bit fucked? I somehow expected a little bit more sophistication on their part, not just acting like brainless robots looking for tag words on the internet. Do you really think that the only thing that security agencies in the US and other countries do to prevent terror attacks is to search for tag words on the internet or did you just accidently imply that? I hope its the latter.
What I'm saying is that I'd rather not have brainless goons in charge of your security. I honestly never would've expected intelligent people like you guys to defend this. I guess it's either cultural differences, or nationalistic pride. Either way I don't see anything good coming out if this conversation, so allow me to respectfully surrender from this thread, in the true French tradition.
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On February 01 2012 13:10 white_horse wrote:
Do you really think that the only thing that security agencies in the US and other countries do to prevent terror attacks is to search for tag words on the internet or did you just accidently imply that? I hope its the latter.
how else to you end up arresting people for making comments on twitter, who have no reason to hate the US. he doesnt need to imply anything, thats what they clearly just did.
it seems to an outsider that the fact an automated system can catch a keyword, then without even the slightest bit of human checking, they are flagged as "high risk" shows the utter contempt they feel for just about....everyone. they think that anyone planting bombs is so stupid as to post on twitter about it? or perhaps they just feel that its worth locking people away first, do their jobs later is a good strat to protect the land of the 'free'. just look at the major western terrorist attacks since and including 9/11. scanners would of stopped none of them, going through twitter would of stopped none of them, bans on liquids would of stopped none of them.
so far all this american lead/style "defence against terror" has had a 0% success rate, has cost millions of dollars and has caused more terror than the terrorists.
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You guys are hilarious. If you make a threat, joking or not, you deserve whatever comes your way. How are they supposed to know you are joking? They can't know and it's completely stupid to think that they should.
If it wasn't America you guys wouldn't be talking at all.
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On February 01 2012 13:36 oxxo wrote:
You guys are hilarious. If you make a threat, joking or not, you deserve whatever comes your way. How are they supposed to know you are joking? They can't know and it's completely stupid to think that they should.
If it wasn't America you guys wouldn't be talking at all.
"If it wasn't America..."
Yeah see, the problem is it's almost always in America. It's pretty rare that this happens elsewhere.
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On February 01 2012 13:36 oxxo wrote:
You guys are hilarious. If you make a threat, joking or not, you deserve whatever comes your way. How are they supposed to know you are joking? They can't know and it's completely stupid to think that they should.
If it wasn't America you guys wouldn't be talking at all.
are you serious? you think that posting it on twitter isnt a big enough give away that maybe he isnt going to actually be bombing america? maybe people in the UK are just a bit sour over the US's idiotic stance on terrorism, but you'll have to forgive us since it was only 5 years ago that the US stopped funding people blowing up parts of the UK every few months.
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On February 01 2012 13:39 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 13:36 oxxo wrote:
You guys are hilarious. If you make a threat, joking or not, you deserve whatever comes your way. How are they supposed to know you are joking? They can't know and it's completely stupid to think that they should.
If it wasn't America you guys wouldn't be talking at all. are you serious? you think that posting it on twitter isnt a big enough give away that maybe he isnt going to actually be bombing america? maybe people in the UK are just a bit sour over the US's idiotic stance on terrorism, but you'll have to forgive us since it was only 5 years ago that the US stopped funding people blowing up parts of the UK every few months.
Source now or you are absolutely full of shit.
And dont tell me that the london train bombings are what you are fucking referring to.
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Terrorists are going to read these forums and then try to metagame and post tweets about their attacks.
If they took anything lightly, they wouldn't be doing their job. I just hope that the careless folks in this thread will never hold a position that can threaten national security.
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