EPTBritish Couple Kicked out of the US for joking - Page 25
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BuuurN
United States60 Posts
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BlueBoxSC
United States582 Posts
My father has busted drug cases on the job, so I'm not sad to see the stringency the security is held with. gg America.  | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On February 01 2012 10:09 phodacbiet wrote: Twitter is how terrorists coordinate their attacks, good thing we caught these guys early before our liberty and freedom got hurt! https://twitter.com/#!/HSMPress Buuut they do use Twitter. | ||
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forgottendreams
United States1771 Posts
On February 01 2012 10:06 oBlade wrote: + Show Spoiler + On February 01 2012 03:54 AeroGear wrote: Thing is, I dont do/say/talk about these things unless to friends or relatives. Am really not a facebook/twitter user except to keep in touch with friends or follow specific companies or finance related news. Not everyone will interpret it as harmless, all it takes is 1 person to ruin your day. Some agents are nice and friendly, others are very strict. Given what has happened in the past years, knowing the escalated security protocols at airports, train stations and all, it really shows lack of judgement to say these things "out loud". The last thing I want to do when I'm at an airport is draw attention or be uncooperative, I know the possible consequences. Your example is a bit extreme btw, but even being held for a few hours at an airport could be a major hindrance to a vacation or business trip. While I can ultimatly agree that the response from authorities was perhaps excessive, it is known that they are very cautious since the events that happened in many parts of the world. It's not my example, it's from all the articles. He really was in a cell with cocaine smugglers. And he didn't say or do anything at the airport. My guess is homeland security went something like this: There's a guy who posted something on Twitter about destroying America and he has a plane ticket. Let's call up the limeys and see what they know about him. "Hello Limeys, this is homeland security. What do you know about Leigh Van Bryan?" "Who is this?" "Homeland security." "Do you have any legal reason for wanting to know about his background?" "He posted about destroying America on Twitter." That's probably when the call ended. They really didn't have anything to go on except a tweet, and rational people would have noticed they were grasping at straws and it was a misunderstanding. But these couple of DHS guys just had to be right. On February 01 2012 03:52 forgottendreams wrote: This is an interesting proposal, next time I'm a terrorist trying to conceal my identity and let something slip about my true intentions I'll say it was in the context of Family Guy. Your entire post is wrong. Digging up Marilyn Monroe wouldn't be terrorism. The Family guy bit isn't ad hoc, all the DHS people had to do was Google it. You can basically tell they didn't know shit about him besides what he posted on Twitter, or have any reason to be suspicious at all. They searched for spades he would use for the digging? They told him "you really fucked up with that tweet, boy"? They called him "boy"? I am not the least bit proud of this circus. They would have you believe tourists are terrorists. The problem here is not people doing stupid things. The problem is having apeshit organizations. Monitoring twitter, okay, that's harmless enough. Grabbing the guy for an interview to see what's up with his weird twitter message, okay. No harm there. Acting like thugs, not accepting the obvious evidence, and not letting these people into the country is reprehensible. I think you missed the point of my post, just because a saying derives from a popular TV show, movie or book doesn't mean it becomes an automatic excuse for officials to dismiss the threat. If I should say shortly before departing to China,"I believe humans are a virus and need to be eradicated" and then say to officials "It's just a Matrix quote, let me go". Security officials aren't trained to deal with contextual excuses for why someone said something that would be innately illegal in a given country. If they are to investigate the reasons behind what "Destroy America" means and "Dig up Marilyn Monroe", it needs to be thoroughly investigated, what if they did actually intend on digging her bones up and had graveyard map plans and shovel? Furthermore to your bolded point, do you know if the detained persons in this controversy fully co-operated with the TSA agents? How do you know they didn't obstruct questioning or refuse to answer questions which would lead toward discretionary actions of expulsion? Maybe they did co-operate and the officials abused their power, maybe they didn't. We will never know what fully occurred in the questioning. On February 01 2012 10:09 phodacbiet wrote: Twitter is how terrorists coordinate their attacks, good thing we caught these guys early before our liberty and freedom got hurt! Algorithmic governmental data mining traverses far more then twitter, many domestic terror or racial militants have been flagged and caught in the United States because of idiotic posts stated on a website or even youtube. | ||
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Sprungjeezy
United States1313 Posts
On February 01 2012 09:01 Chaosu wrote: /facepalm on you perhaps? choise of not buying stuff from a brand and not visiting a place on earth is down to the same thing: desire to do something There are a few things that interest me in USA, I would like to see some bands that doesn't travel outside (much), see and NHL and NBA game, perhaps some sightseeing too (but I can't think of anything interesting right now). And believe me or not, my desire to do this stuff is not bigger than letting out my dignity to do it. Right now I can travel inside European Union without giving up any of my freedom or believs, no dignity, self-respect. And if I'm reading that I have to be cautious because someone is paranoid (it's of course personal opinion) I can easily disagree on that if my desire to travel isn't big enough. USA itself is no wonder of the world and some people are actually happy that they don't have to live there. To me this (USA) attitude is obsessive and I think it's crazy to think that way. To you my attitude may seem too loose and careless and if your desire to travel to EU is smaller than your fear of spending time in too high danger of getting killed in terrorist attack you should't decide on traveling too. And I'm not trying to say I won't travel to USA ever because of what happend. But if I were this UK citizen, I would turn back and never try to return thinking "giving them a credit for being reasonable was a mistake"... So to you, wanting to travel (a huge investment of time and money) to a specific place, but opting to go to a completely different country is the same as buying a different brand of clothing. Hmm. "letting out my dignity to do it" I assume you meant something like "sacrificing my dignity," but I don't understand this. Taking your fucking shoes off and revealing your socks is so demeaning you would choose not to travel to the US? Unless you intend to say "sup guys, I heard you guys don't like BOMBS on planes in the US" or walk around with a knife in your pocket no one will look twice at you. "giving up any of my freedom... self-respect" umm, are you sure you're not being overly dramatic? "USA itself is no wonder of the world" I'm aware people don't visit the US for the sake of saying they've been there. There's a lot of stuff in the US that people want to see, but I'm not sure how this is relevant? But yea after the bolded parts, I don't really understand what you're trying to say, 'is my desire to travel to the EU smaller than my fear of spending time in too high danger of getting killed in terrorist attack'. I can't interpret this into a clear idea. I'm not afraid of getting killed in a terrorist attack, and I enjoy air travel. | ||
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Chaosu
Poland404 Posts
i obviously agree to various security checks, even in Europe and taking of shoes is fine. being examined more closely if being suspicious is understandable. attitude of "i can't be myself because of their paranoia. i have to get out of anyones way" is something that puts me in question, do i want to sacrifice my dignity or not? yes i'm overly dramatic, not really serious, bit extreme to bold out other point of view. ""USA itself is no wonder of the world" I'm aware people don't visit the US for the sake of saying they've been there. There's a lot of stuff in the US that people want to see, but I'm not sure how this is relevant?" yes i agree with you. that's what i meant, and to follow up: so now when i want to travel to see a certain thing i ask myself question, do i want it so much or i can satisfy myself with something outside of USA? the point is (someone in this thread suggested otherwise) that often when approaching visa/security problems people tend to give up thoughts of visiting USA. not saying it's majority, not saying it's minority, but opposite to someones belief it does happen. last paragraph i tried to put you in position of visitor who asks question similar to Europeans, but if for us USA security is high then perhaps for American European security is low? Trying to ask a question "if you think USA security is just right, perhaps there is something wrong with European? and if it's too low you got the same dilemma: agree on traveling or refuse to travel (depending on your desire to travel). i realised that this example was a bit too abstract... sorry | ||
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LanTAs
United States1091 Posts
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
Maybe this will teach people to not be smartasses and show respect when going to visit a country that isn't their own. | ||
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Angra
United States2652 Posts
On February 01 2012 11:37 Sbrubbles wrote: This reminds me of a brazillian guy who, when asked if he had a bomb, jokingly said yes (bomb in portuguese is a sinonym of bycicle pump, of which he had one). Maybe this will teach people to not be smartasses and show respect when going to visit a country that isn't their own. No! It's because America sucks! This doesn't happen anywhere else! It's just the stupid bullshit American government that's the problem with the world!!!!! | ||
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Kraidio
China133 Posts
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prOxi.swAMi
Australia3091 Posts
Personally I don't think any liberty is sacrificed in avoiding terms that are terrorism related. I don't think that stuff ever comes up in my vernacular anyway, at least not regularly and certainly not in an airport. | ||
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KryptoStorm
England377 Posts
On February 01 2012 11:46 prOxi.swAMi wrote: The number one way to stop this is if everyone (or at least a vast amount of people) are deliberately suspicious. Someone needs to organise a suspicious flash mob of like 1000+ people all acting suspicious and see how DHS handle it. Would be dangerous, high chance of getting shot. | ||
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jungsu
United States279 Posts
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MilesTeg
France1271 Posts
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MilesTeg
France1271 Posts
On February 01 2012 11:45 Kraidio wrote: I love the amount of foreigners commenting on this stuff. I guess it is relevant with it being a visit to the US and all but still it feels like every time the US has a minor gaff, the Ant-USA brigade comes crawling out of the woodwork for a couple of one-liners and jabs. Subsequently, everyone quickly forgets about US until the next media triviality. Don't be so sensitive. It's a funny story, people like poking fun at the whole country when something like that happens. It's the same with every country, you just notice it more for the US because you're American. | ||
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Zerksys
United States569 Posts
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Man with a Plan
United States401 Posts
Now they know. | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
On February 01 2012 12:08 Zerksys wrote: Wasn't it the United States that hated communism because of a lack of free speech? Honestly China has more free speech than the United States these days. You probably wouldn't want to go test that assertion. | ||
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Alethios
New Zealand2765 Posts
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Crisium
United States1618 Posts
On February 01 2012 12:08 Zerksys wrote: Wasn't it the United States that hated communism because of a lack of free speech? Honestly China has more free speech than the United States these days. On February 01 2012 12:10 Alethios wrote: Yeah well. Americans don't really get humour. Apparently you're right, 'cause I can't tell if either of these are jokes or idiotic ravings. | ||
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