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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44327 Posts
January 31 2012 21:27 GMT
#441
On February 01 2012 06:21 Blist wrote:
once again proving that america is an insecure whining bitch. but we already knew that.


...What?

How is America whining?

How is America being a bitch?

Is this even a remotely appropriate response? It's rather tactless.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
SniperVul5
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada166 Posts
January 31 2012 21:29 GMT
#442
On February 01 2012 03:34 r.Evo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 03:31 SolHeiM wrote:
On February 01 2012 03:29 danielrosca wrote:
On February 01 2012 03:25 r.Evo wrote:
On February 01 2012 03:12 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On February 01 2012 03:04 Mordanis wrote:
For all of the people who are not educated about America's relation with terrorism, I'd like you to read this post and then think about the tweet about "destroying America"

First off, many people in this thread seem to be assuming that every terrorist will be an Arabian Muslim with a big beard. America has only had one experience with terrorism performed by this "group", and countless from other types of people. Look at the Oklahoma City Bombing for instance. It was done by an American who used to be in our military. Also look at Jared Laughner, who killed six people including a federal judge and injured several more including US Representative Gabrielle Giffords. He was born and raised in America, and he just happened to be insane. There is no reason why Bryan should have been given a free pass because of his ethnicity or country of origin.

Another complaint I've been hearing is that no real terrorist would announce his plans ahead of time on the internet. Just a few weeks ago there was a case where a couple in Arizona released Youtube videos of their plans to lure police (and SWAT teams) into their home and then detonate a bomb to kill them. The couple named individual officers in the video and described exactly what they planned to happen. Jared Laughner, who killed several people and injured many more, also released a video in which he burned a flag and "warned" Giffords. There are precedents of people doing this type of thing, and therefore the Homeland Security agents had every right (and mandate) to detain and probably deport this guy based on what he wrote. The only discussion I can really see with this issue is whether they should have detained him while checking to see if he really had any plans to harm anyone or let him go back home immediately. Also I think it is totally reasonable for security agents in this line of work to not use their sense of humor when the lives of hundreds of people could be on the line.


Voice of reason. Great explanations. Thank you for this.

If someone wants some form of attention he's more likely to blow up stuff close to his home, if someone wants to spread terror at a certain place... he's more likely to travel there.

Top notch profiling right there.


He's got all 6 seasons of Criminal Minds on DVD, which makes him an expert in the field of profiling terrorists and criminals.



Actually I used my brain and the power of statistics. Please use google the next time before you try to denounce someone who worked with psychologists who deal with this type of stuff on a daily basis the next time. Thank you very much.



Lol r.Evo dont take solheim seriously... I stopped after this...
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=201110

RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
January 31 2012 21:35 GMT
#443
On February 01 2012 06:29 SniperVul5 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 03:34 r.Evo wrote:
On February 01 2012 03:31 SolHeiM wrote:
On February 01 2012 03:29 danielrosca wrote:
On February 01 2012 03:25 r.Evo wrote:
On February 01 2012 03:12 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On February 01 2012 03:04 Mordanis wrote:
For all of the people who are not educated about America's relation with terrorism, I'd like you to read this post and then think about the tweet about "destroying America"

First off, many people in this thread seem to be assuming that every terrorist will be an Arabian Muslim with a big beard. America has only had one experience with terrorism performed by this "group", and countless from other types of people. Look at the Oklahoma City Bombing for instance. It was done by an American who used to be in our military. Also look at Jared Laughner, who killed six people including a federal judge and injured several more including US Representative Gabrielle Giffords. He was born and raised in America, and he just happened to be insane. There is no reason why Bryan should have been given a free pass because of his ethnicity or country of origin.

Another complaint I've been hearing is that no real terrorist would announce his plans ahead of time on the internet. Just a few weeks ago there was a case where a couple in Arizona released Youtube videos of their plans to lure police (and SWAT teams) into their home and then detonate a bomb to kill them. The couple named individual officers in the video and described exactly what they planned to happen. Jared Laughner, who killed several people and injured many more, also released a video in which he burned a flag and "warned" Giffords. There are precedents of people doing this type of thing, and therefore the Homeland Security agents had every right (and mandate) to detain and probably deport this guy based on what he wrote. The only discussion I can really see with this issue is whether they should have detained him while checking to see if he really had any plans to harm anyone or let him go back home immediately. Also I think it is totally reasonable for security agents in this line of work to not use their sense of humor when the lives of hundreds of people could be on the line.


Voice of reason. Great explanations. Thank you for this.

If someone wants some form of attention he's more likely to blow up stuff close to his home, if someone wants to spread terror at a certain place... he's more likely to travel there.

Top notch profiling right there.


He's got all 6 seasons of Criminal Minds on DVD, which makes him an expert in the field of profiling terrorists and criminals.



Actually I used my brain and the power of statistics. Please use google the next time before you try to denounce someone who worked with psychologists who deal with this type of stuff on a daily basis the next time. Thank you very much.



Lol r.Evo dont take solheim seriously... I stopped after this...
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=201110


Oh man, what a blog. Thanks for linking; going to read this right now for the fun of it.
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DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
January 31 2012 21:38 GMT
#444
On February 01 2012 06:13 hypercube wrote:
I've seen some statistics on how tourism declined all over the world after 9/11. But the industry recovered worldwide and now twice as many people spend their holidays abroad than in 2000. But in the US the increase was only about 10%.

Fact is for most of us travelling to the US isn't unavoidable. It would be very nice but probably not worth the hassle, when there are so many interesting alternatives.


Tourism in America has grown by far more than 10%. Perhaps you are misinterpreting statistics, because like you said, thanks the hassle of international travel to the US many enter Canada or Mexico first.
Mordanis
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States893 Posts
January 31 2012 21:40 GMT
#445
I finally found the source for the story about the AZ couple wanting to blow up a SWAT Team. Here is what I really wanted to stress "In one of the videos released to the Yuma Sun, the couple are seen sitting on their balcony, calmly discussing what was about to happen while waiting for deputies to respond.

In another, Jesse Firestone, 65, shows a .357 magnum rifle he planned to use and the hole in the front door of the home he was going to fire through. He even mentions some sheriff deputies by name, saying "it's nothing personal. Anyway — adios."

Here is the link
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RabidAnubis
Profile Joined March 2011
United States18 Posts
January 31 2012 21:43 GMT
#446
I think a searching may have been fair, possibly more extensive, but after they found nothing they should have appologized.

Taking their passport? WHAT?
"I Came, I saw, I conquered." -Julius Caesar
Sprungjeezy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1313 Posts
January 31 2012 21:44 GMT
#447
On January 31 2012 19:31 29 fps wrote:
those british tourists will return to the UK unhappy, and then all their friends will know about how terrible the experience was. as a result, there will be fewer tourists from the UK,meaning there'll be less revenue... besides money, america's reputation will be negatively affected as well.


/facepalm If people actually want to visit the US, they will visit the US, except if they hear this story they won't? More like, if they hear this story they will be even more cautious when traveling because the US gives no fucks and will use any excuse to send you out or to arrest you.

Getting the chance to visit a place you've never been isn't like buying food. If you heard some company does something terrible you can choose to not use their products, but if you want to visit a country, there's literally no where you can go to get the same experience lmao.

But on topic, I'm surprised people are surprised. I guess living in the US I know and understand how serious airports take security and I'm fine with it. God forbid I have to go a whole day without saying the word "bomb." And seriously "I'm going to destroy America and dig up Marilyn Monroe" - who the fuck says that? I can't really comprehend how "destroy" being the equivalent to "party" would even make sense, "I'm going to party America" ? "I'm going to get destroyed in America" would be alright, but nope it was "I'm going to destroy America" ... /facepalm
Demicore
Profile Joined October 2011
France503 Posts
January 31 2012 21:49 GMT
#448
Holy crap that sucks for the tourists but I would actually be quite pleased to know that the people in charge of security in my country took their job that seriously. T'would be oddly reassuring.
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WArped
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom4845 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-31 22:05:48
January 31 2012 22:05 GMT
#449
On February 01 2012 06:44 Sprungjeezy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2012 19:31 29 fps wrote:
those british tourists will return to the UK unhappy, and then all their friends will know about how terrible the experience was. as a result, there will be fewer tourists from the UK,meaning there'll be less revenue... besides money, america's reputation will be negatively affected as well.


/facepalm If people actually want to visit the US, they will visit the US, except if they hear this story they won't? More like, if they hear this story they will be even more cautious when traveling because the US gives no fucks and will use any excuse to send you out or to arrest you.

Getting the chance to visit a place you've never been isn't like buying food. If you heard some company does something terrible you can choose to not use their products, but if you want to visit a country, there's literally no where you can go to get the same experience lmao.

But on topic, I'm surprised people are surprised. I guess living in the US I know and understand how serious airports take security and I'm fine with it. God forbid I have to go a whole day without saying the word "bomb." And seriously "I'm going to destroy America and dig up Marilyn Monroe" - who the fuck says that? I can't really comprehend how "destroy" being the equivalent to "party" would even make sense, "I'm going to party America" ? "I'm going to get destroyed in America" would be alright, but nope it was "I'm going to destroy America" ... /facepalm


You would be surprised how many stupid things mean "I am going to get wasted" in the UK. Honestly if they where so desperate to party, they wouldn't go all the way to the US, they could go to their local bar or Amsterdam or Majorca, where most other British tourists go want to party so much. I guess they wanted to see where stars lived, such as Marilyn Munroe, so much to say "I want to dig her up". I have literally zero sympathy for these tourists. Everything they tweeted was downright brainless.
Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
January 31 2012 22:08 GMT
#450
On February 01 2012 06:49 Demicore wrote:
Holy crap that sucks for the tourists but I would actually be quite pleased to know that the people in charge of security in my country took their job that seriously. T'would be oddly reassuring.

It's reassuring that the TSA can't properly identify a threat?

It's one thing to stop them and do a search for due diligence then let them go on their way; it's another to do the same and then come to the insane conclusion that these people are actually legitimate threats.
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SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
January 31 2012 22:13 GMT
#451
If that happened to me, I'd probably alternate between laughing hysterically and crying.

I don't know what all this 23 pages of discussion is about - clearly it's all very funny and somewhat stupid from both sides. Those were some fairly silly tweets, but HAHAHHAHAHA American security...
zanga
Profile Joined September 2011
659 Posts
January 31 2012 22:15 GMT
#452
On February 01 2012 05:25 Ryndika wrote:
Didn't day9 tell a story where he was meeting with player 'X' who yell'd something about 'WHERED YOU HIDE THE BOMB'? =D Oh god, D9 could've been in trouble I guess if it was overheard.


Haha yes. It was none other than WhiteRa.

I do however not remember in which city or airport
(:
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-31 22:17:35
January 31 2012 22:16 GMT
#453
The TSA/DHS is a joke, I feel bad for anyone who has to travel through any American airport.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
January 31 2012 22:23 GMT
#454
stupid by both parties. stupid by the brits for making such stupid twitter posts and not considering the consequences, and stupid by the authorities for overreacting (they should have just questioned them, and once determining they are just dip-shits, let them in the country).
bOneSeven
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Romania685 Posts
January 31 2012 22:26 GMT
#455
sad to see that this thread turned out to be about bashing America ( from most non-americans ) and patriotism ( what a horrible concept, from americans ). People shouldn't generalize, and it's not the TSA's responsibility to act in a rational way, they have protocol they need to follow ( a rather horrible one ), at the end of the way, if they don't respect it, they wont have money for basic living needs. There are tons of cool TSA people as i've heard ( one guy was found with weed in his bag, but it was left there + the TSA guys left a note with "get your shit together son!", made me laugh and smile a bit ), but again some of them are dumb and a very very small percent of them are with ill intent. So it's not their fault, it's the people who make the laws fault, and the people who won't say ( american ) : jeesus, you just passed 30k bills last year ? wtf ? what do we need this for ? Why do we need to be so strict in security ? Isn't this a slippery slope ?

And for the patriots I say, chill out, stop defending your country in this manner. You easily flame back after someone says anything bad about America ( I would never travel to america simply because the way to get a passport for it is downright humiliating and dumb ). You are turning by the day in a rather paranoid country with way to much security. Perhaps the british couple wasn't very smart, but to support the airport guys decision to throw them out is rather bad. Again, comic language "bomb" "destroy" "killed" . It's easy to understand.
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dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
January 31 2012 22:33 GMT
#456
On February 01 2012 07:26 bOneSeven wrote:
sad to see that this thread turned out to be about bashing America ( from most non-americans ) and patriotism ( what a horrible concept, from americans ). People shouldn't generalize, and it's not the TSA's responsibility to act in a rational way, they have protocol they need to follow ( a rather horrible one ), at the end of the way, if they don't respect it, they wont have money for basic living needs. There are tons of cool TSA people as i've heard ( one guy was found with weed in his bag, but it was left there + the TSA guys left a note with "get your shit together son!", made me laugh and smile a bit ), but again some of them are dumb and a very very small percent of them are with ill intent. So it's not their fault, it's the people who make the laws fault, and the people who won't say ( american ) : jeesus, you just passed 30k bills last year ? wtf ? what do we need this for ? Why do we need to be so strict in security ? Isn't this a slippery slope ?

And for the patriots I say, chill out, stop defending your country in this manner. You easily flame back after someone says anything bad about America ( I would never travel to america simply because the way to get a passport for it is downright humiliating and dumb ). You are turning by the day in a rather paranoid country with way to much security. Perhaps the british couple wasn't very smart, but to support the airport guys decision to throw them out is rather bad. Again, comic language "bomb" "destroy" "killed" . It's easy to understand.

how much security is appropriate is subjective though. i, for one, don't really bother the security at U.S. airports, and dont mind all the extra precautions. sure, a lot of the security measures are just bat shit insane, but whatever... i would rather they go two steps too far to protect security than one step less than necessary.

i do agree with you that americans shouldn't just rely on blind patriotism. as my post above states, i think the TSA overreacted in this situation; they should have questioned and determined an actual threat before sending them back to the UK. oh, and I am american, fyi.
furymonkey
Profile Joined December 2008
New Zealand1587 Posts
January 31 2012 22:34 GMT
#457
You guys need to chill! Government can always deny people's entry to their country for whatever reasons. The only difference in this case is, they already had whatever visa approved before hand, but Government can still take it away. If they were already knew about this information before hand, the couple would've get denied when applying entry in the first place, it's pretty much the same case.

It's no different blabbing about bullshit when you're taking green card, visa interviews. You would just get denied, it doesn't matter if it was a joke, and it was the same before 911 happened.

This is indeed a sensational news, because everyday, there is hundred more cases where people denied entry to a country where a reason is lamer than this.
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emc
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3088 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-31 22:38:23
January 31 2012 22:37 GMT
#458
On January 31 2012 19:22 SolHeiM wrote:
But what if these had been actual terrorists? How are they supposed to deduce if a tweet is real or not? Now you might not think that many "solo" terrorists would openly announce to the world that they're going to destroy America, but when large terrorist organizations openly announce that they will, how can they not take things like this seriously?

There is no way that they can know if this is a real threat or not, therefore they have to treat it as a real threat.

Show nested quote +
On January 31 2012 19:21 Keitzer wrote:
Lol, if I was this brit couple, i'd be just laughing the ENTIRE time... fucking jokes these airport security are man...


I wouldn't be laughing. I'd be scared shit-less I'd be thrown into some prison like Guantanamo Bay.


yeah? and what if there was an actual attack and during that they were instead detaining innocent tourists? It goes both ways, you can't target innocent people who like to talk shit and ignore the people who don't say anything with an actual intention to attack.

This wouldn't just happen in america either, I'm pretty sure there are other countries out there that would deny you access into their country for something stupid you've done.
forgottendreams
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1771 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-31 22:57:53
January 31 2012 22:42 GMT
#459
On February 01 2012 07:26 bOneSeven wrote:
sad to see that this thread turned out to be about bashing America ( from most non-americans ) and patriotism ( what a horrible concept, from americans ). People shouldn't generalize, and it's not the TSA's responsibility to act in a rational way, they have protocol they need to follow ( a rather horrible one ), at the end of the way, if they don't respect it, they wont have money for basic living needs. There are tons of cool TSA people as i've heard ( one guy was found with weed in his bag, but it was left there + the TSA guys left a note with "get your shit together son!", made me laugh and smile a bit ), but again some of them are dumb and a very very small percent of them are with ill intent. So it's not their fault, it's the people who make the laws fault, and the people who won't say ( american ) : jeesus, you just passed 30k bills last year ? wtf ? what do we need this for ? Why do we need to be so strict in security ? Isn't this a slippery slope ?

And for the patriots I say, chill out, stop defending your country in this manner. You easily flame back after someone says anything bad about America ( I would never travel to america simply because the way to get a passport for it is downright humiliating and dumb ). You are turning by the day in a rather paranoid country with way to much security. Perhaps the british couple wasn't very smart, but to support the airport guys decision to throw them out is rather bad. Again, comic language "bomb" "destroy" "killed" . It's easy to understand.


"Sad to see" lol. This is how all these threads turnout, it should be expected by now. Only the rare poster goes somewhere in-between in this process, the way you phrased your post was decidedly on one side.

Also "why do we need to be so strict?" (this in reference to everyone else in the thread asking). I don't know, it could be besides 9/11 we had the shoebomber plot, the NYC bomber plot, the NYC subway plot, the Minnesota Somalia terrorist plot, the Fort Hood plot that actually went through, Jared Loughner ect....
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
January 31 2012 22:42 GMT
#460
On February 01 2012 07:37 emc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2012 19:22 SolHeiM wrote:
But what if these had been actual terrorists? How are they supposed to deduce if a tweet is real or not? Now you might not think that many "solo" terrorists would openly announce to the world that they're going to destroy America, but when large terrorist organizations openly announce that they will, how can they not take things like this seriously?

There is no way that they can know if this is a real threat or not, therefore they have to treat it as a real threat.

On January 31 2012 19:21 Keitzer wrote:
Lol, if I was this brit couple, i'd be just laughing the ENTIRE time... fucking jokes these airport security are man...


I wouldn't be laughing. I'd be scared shit-less I'd be thrown into some prison like Guantanamo Bay.


yeah? and what if there was an actual attack and during that they were instead detaining innocent tourists? It goes both ways, you can't target innocent people who like to talk shit and ignore the people who don't say anything with an actual intention to attack.

This wouldn't just happen in america either, I'm pretty sure there are other countries out there that would deny you access into their country for something stupid you've done.

they have more than one TSA agent. they will detain all people they consider threats, and they would certainly detain any known terrorists coming into the country that they are aware of.
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