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Nagano
United States1157 Posts
And Brits aren't alone in their belief about how unnecessary those two departments are. Most Americans detest the TSA and would also like to see them gone. The story is about how incompetent the TSA is, but it fails to say how we Americans also hate the TSA. | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On February 01 2012 03:49 Crisium wrote: But they didn't' say "I'm gonna go get destroyed in America" they said "destroy America". It just seems off. I know they meant the slang, obviously, but why phrase it that way? A comment in the news article said it best: The thing is they in most likelihood would not be subjected to delights of British prisons and with high probability would not even be sent back. Of all the encounters with different immigration and security agents everyone has the worst experience in US. It is not a coincidence. US agents just have no common sense whatsoever. Following up on a possible threat is nothing wrong and ok, interrogation is ok. Not realizing what is actually going on is a sign of terminal stupidity and being drunk on power that the petty beaurocrats love so much. | ||
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AnachronisticAnarchy
United States2957 Posts
Anyways, we've been on a tear as of late, busting bomb plots and such left and right. If this is part of their (profoundly successful) tactic, then so be it. | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On February 01 2012 03:54 AeroGear wrote: Thing is, I dont do/say/talk about these things unless to friends or relatives. Am really not a facebook/twitter user except to keep in touch with friends or follow specific companies or finance related news. Not everyone will interpret it as harmless, all it takes is 1 person to ruin your day. Some agents are nice and friendly, others are very strict. Given what has happened in the past years, knowing the escalated security protocols at airports, train stations and all, it really shows lack of judgement to say these things "out loud". The last thing I want to do when I'm at an airport is draw attention or be uncooperative, I know the possible consequences. Your example is a bit extreme btw, but even being held for a few hours at an airport could be a major hindrance to a vacation or business trip. While I can ultimatly agree that the response from authorities was perhaps excessive, it is known that they are very cautious since the events that happened in many parts of the world. Then note that we are not criticizing them for following up on a possible threat, but on their reaction to the uncovered facts. Looking for shovels that will be used to dig up a corpse, really ? | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On February 01 2012 04:14 AutomatonOmega wrote: I think a lot of this is because many Europeans can't really grasp a country the size of USA, Canada, or China. They don't understand that every state is like one of their countries and no single one entity or even the government of a country can claim to speak for everyone. They're used to compact countries with just a few million people each, many of whom are very homogeneously populated, unlike USA. You have very skewed view of European mindset and of the facts also. | ||
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danielrosca
Romania123 Posts
On February 01 2012 04:47 RetroAspect wrote: In my opinion, this and many other "why did they post it" and "what if" arguments are as useless as nipples on a breastplate(see what i did there!) . It is besides the point. The point is the absurdism, paranoia and utter arrogance of the US customs in this case(and many, many others like this) What is even more absurd, etc.. are the americans here defending or minimizing the issue, just because they feel personally attacked by all the negative criticisms. Just think about this: How would you react to such news if you weren't from USA but say, an EU country? How would you perceive this news? I'm from EU and the only thing i feel is constantly under attack here is common sense. They knew the context. They could have known -sorry- should have deducted the consequences. A serious risk management system leaves no unnecessary room for error, so all this cheap talk about context interpretation with the perspective of the system is irrelevant. What US did was not only normal, but right and i wish my country (and the ones i'm travelling to) would follow the same procedures. Funny thing is we're most likely arguing over nothing here, it's an article in daily freaking mail with the original us papers lacking a reliable source. On February 01 2012 01:37 danielrosca wrote: On the contrary, that's the best part about it. And the one you should be thankful for. Btw you could add this to OP http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/30/travelers-say-they-were-denied-entry-to-u-s-for-twitter-jokes/?smid=tw-thelede&seid=auto He was questioned under oath about his postings to Twitter, according to images of a document said to be from the agency. The document, posted by The Daily Mail and quoted by The Sun, appeared to demonstrate a less-than-full understanding of social media by agents explaining the reason for the questioning: Mr. Bryan confirmed that he had posted on his Tweeter Web site account that he was coming to the United States to dig up the grave of Marilyn Monroe. Also on his tweeter account Mr. Bryan posted that he was coming to destroy America. The authenticity of the document could not be independently verified. It was photographed by Small World News Service, an independent British news agency that frequently pays its sources for stories. Mr. Bryan and Ms. Bunting posed together for portraits by the SWNS news agency that appeared in tabloids on Monday, including the Daily Mail and the Sun. A call to Donald Triner, acting director of the agency office overseeing an initiative on “Publicly Available Social Media Monitoring and Situational Awareness,” was directed to the press office. | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
On February 01 2012 05:32 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I almost thought you were serious, but then I saw your name and realized you just like to play games  Nothing reveals humanity so well as the games it plays —Hartley | ||
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Bosko
United States155 Posts
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
That's why I don't make those jokes. I don't publicly post I'm going to destroy France before travelling there. And thus, I don't have problems. Kind of silly in how you look at it, but really, what is a country supposed to do? We need to monitor for terrorists on our planes -- for very obvious reasons. It isn't up to our "agents'" personal discretion on whether someone is joking or using slang. If you raise the red-flag, you get a cavity search. Don't raise the red flag, don't "troll" a country, and you won't have problems. | ||
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Gummy
United States2180 Posts
On February 01 2012 05:53 Bosko wrote: Imagine this thread if those people actually killed someone while in the US after that tweet. "WTF gov. had this information and did nothing." That isn't "information." I'm just disappointed at the poor search/flag methods employed by the government when much more powerful and selective data mining technology exists. | ||
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BigLighthouse
United Kingdom424 Posts
Im all for people being careful about who they let into the country given whats happened in the past, but sometimes you just have to not go full retard mode. | ||
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helpless
1 Post
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
Fact is for most of us travelling to the US isn't unavoidable. It would be very nice but probably not worth the hassle, when there are so many interesting alternatives. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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AutomatonOmega
United States706 Posts
On February 01 2012 05:38 mcc wrote: You have very skewed view of European mindset and of the facts also. Point fingers more brah. Your posts so far in this thread hint at a blanket anti-American swing, without analyzing facts or allowing exceptions. | ||
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llKenZyll
United States853 Posts
The news lately has been scraping up the bucket. They are getting whatever story they can get their hands on and blowing it out of proportion. It's just TWO people that were fucked, how does this even remotely trigger an effect to give a shit in regular, everyday people? If the couple has a problem with what happened then who even gives a crap. They are CITIZENS of the united states, the government can do w/e they want to them because this is, after all, not a free country. | ||
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Blist
13 Posts
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Mordanis
United States893 Posts
On February 01 2012 06:14 Torte de Lini wrote: Digging so far, my God. Would a terrorist even tweet his ideas on Twitter? Earlier in the thread I pointed out Jared Loughner, who made a Youtube video in which he burned a flag and said something along the lines of "Gabrielle Giffords has been warned", and he killed 6 and injured several more. There was also another case in Arizona where a couple made videos they released somewhere on the internet in which they outlined there plans to lure a SWAT team into their home and then blow everyone up, but I can't find the source for that (if anyone has the AZ Repbublic from a Sunday 2 weeks ago or a little more, it was in the Valley and State section...) Also Anders Behring Breivik, the guy who killed people on the island in Norway, tweeted a vaguely ominous semi-threat: "One person with a belief is equal to the force of 100 000 who have only interests." | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On February 01 2012 06:21 Blist wrote: once again proving that america is an insecure whining bitch. but we already knew that. How did you come to such a generalized conclusion? | ||
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RogerX
New Zealand3180 Posts
On January 31 2012 23:42 Mordanis wrote: In the past, people have said violent anti-American things on the internet before trying to kill a bunch of people. Please think a little before posting. Try this link out: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/09/jared-loughner-youtube-videos-_n_806370.html Lol, what are you trying to get at? Do you think I'm trying to slaughter a bunch of people? No, I'm just saying this is a factor to the ultimate stereotype. And why such a offensive thing exists. I'm just trying to put out a point about whats furthering this stereotype and this is one of them. Hell, i'm stereotypical to my own country about the amount of "sheep and lamb" we have here, am I gonna go on a mass slaughter in my own country, no thats ridiculous unless you have a major mental condition lol. *Thinks a little* You still don't make any sense, I have no grudge against Americans at all. Why would I? They're the reason pretty much why I'm on the internet. I fucking love America for the stuff they've given. I'm sorry if I offended anyone with my point somehow. | ||
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