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On December 05 2011 04:40 Nyovne wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 04:37 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:On December 05 2011 04:27 Gunther wrote:On December 05 2011 04:21 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:
So this government is essentially saying stealing is ok, as long as it doesn't hurt your bottom line. What's next are they going to legalize shop lifting in clothing stores as long as you only take one item of the rack? Or maybe they will legalize auto theft as long as you steal a car worth under $500. This is seriously the dumbest fuking law I have ever heard. Herp derp Switzerland.
User was warned for this post Stealing and Copyright Infringement are two completely different things. Copyright infringement IS stealing. It really isn't. But lack of revenue or infringement of a property right is experienced as such and experienced as akin to theft. How often I have to explain this even to people at work makes me sadface. In addition, this goes for entire Europe not just Switzerland and it's purely about not altering current regulations instead of actually creating regulations to allow this.
Please explain to me how it is not stealing, or maybe my definition of copyright infringement is different from yours. If I develop a music and you take my music without permission through online downloading whether to use it to make your own music or to simply listen to the music, how is this any different from you simply walking into my home and taking the music out of hands?
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Props to Swiss government to standing up instead of bending to corrupted corporate will.
The government concluded, then, that no change to the current legal structure was necessary, and urged the entertainment industry to grow and adapt with the changes in technology and in consumer habits, rather than trying to suppress progress.
Learn to adapt! Finally someone tells them the truth :D
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They made vodka, launched monkeys into space, AND they get piracy without risk?
Sign me up
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Holy shit I'm glad to be born here.
No wait we hunt people for this and destroy the lives of those caught even though basically half the population does it
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On December 05 2011 03:04 qqK wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 03:02 bellykiller wrote:
Swiss precision as it's best ! SIEG HEIL ! !! Please keep the nazi references to us germans. Thank you.
They're the ones with all the stolen goods.
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And my country passes a copyright bill that fines me up to $15,000 if i get caught =(
So jealous....
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On December 05 2011 04:56 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 04:40 Nyovne wrote:On December 05 2011 04:37 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:On December 05 2011 04:27 Gunther wrote:On December 05 2011 04:21 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:
So this government is essentially saying stealing is ok, as long as it doesn't hurt your bottom line. What's next are they going to legalize shop lifting in clothing stores as long as you only take one item of the rack? Or maybe they will legalize auto theft as long as you steal a car worth under $500. This is seriously the dumbest fuking law I have ever heard. Herp derp Switzerland.
User was warned for this post Stealing and Copyright Infringement are two completely different things. Copyright infringement IS stealing. It really isn't. But lack of revenue or infringement of a property right is experienced as such and experienced as akin to theft. How often I have to explain this even to people at work makes me sadface. In addition, this goes for entire Europe not just Switzerland and it's purely about not altering current regulations instead of actually creating regulations to allow this. Please explain to me how it is not stealing, or maybe my definition of copyright infringement is different from yours. If I develop a music and you take my music without permission through online downloading whether to use it to make your own music or to simply listen to the music, how is this any different from you simply walking into my home and taking the music out of hands?
Added charge of trespassing. And snatching is bad too.
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On December 05 2011 05:00 Omnidroid wrote:
And my country passes a copyright bill that fines me up to $15,000 if i get caught =(
So jealous....
Just $15,000? According to the RIAA, that's how much one Justin Bieber song is worth here in the grand ole US of A.
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Big deal. Piracy has been legal in my home for about a decade now. I haven't even needed to ignore one of those "cease and desist" letters. 
Anyway, well done Sweden. Sorry I mean Zealand. It sounds like you guys have a lot of sane laws over there, but I honestly don't know enough about the rest of your system to start packing my bags yet. Do the people support things like banning junk food and putting breathalyzers in all cars? Because I'm not looking for a bigger nanny state.
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On December 05 2011 05:01 Zalithian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 05:00 Omnidroid wrote:
And my country passes a copyright bill that fines me up to $15,000 if i get caught =(
So jealous.... Just $15,000? According to the RIAA, that's how much one Justin Bieber song is worth here in the grand ole US of A.
Fortunately, I will never download any Bieber song, ever.
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so... who can teach me swiss...
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On December 05 2011 04:54 flowSthead wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 04:38 tnud wrote:On December 05 2011 04:37 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:On December 05 2011 04:27 Gunther wrote:On December 05 2011 04:21 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:
So this government is essentially saying stealing is ok, as long as it doesn't hurt your bottom line. What's next are they going to legalize shop lifting in clothing stores as long as you only take one item of the rack? Or maybe they will legalize auto theft as long as you steal a car worth under $500. This is seriously the dumbest fuking law I have ever heard. Herp derp Switzerland.
User was warned for this post Stealing and Copyright Infringement are two completely different things. Copyright infringement IS stealing. No it isn't. Didn't you read the post you quoted?  No really, it isn't. It might sound the same but it really isn't. Stealing removes a copy from the retailer, copyright infringement doesn't. Considering many pirates never would have bought the product the infringed it becomes even more complex. Although I generally agree, that isn't a good argument for allowing it. The idea that the people who pirate would not have bought it has an easy response. They shouldn't have it in the first place. If I can't purchase a chair, that doesn't mean I should have one regardless; if I can't purchase a movie ticket, that doesn't mean I should be able to walk into the theater anyway. Thus, if I cannot purchase a song/movie/game, I shouldn't be able to listen to it/watch it/play it. It's also not the same because physical products have a definite work to money ratio. I build a chair and then I charge you for the product and my time spent working on it. If I write a program that you can download, I only have to write it once, but does that mean I only have to charge one person for that program? If I write a book, does that mean I only have to charge one person for the story? The analogy does not really work with the inanimate. (I also realize books have a physical presence, and so of course you pay for the paper, but the majority of the cost is what the publisher thinks people will pay for the information on the paper, not the paper itself). The better way to argue against it is the way Spain has done. The Spanish courts liken downloading and sharing as a way to spread culture and educate people. People hundreds of years ago would borrow and copy books and give them to each other for free as a way to share knowledge. Libraries eventually replaced individuals since they could do it more efficiently with a greater number of books, and now the Internet can do it instantaneously and globally. The Spanish courts have essentially correlated the Internet with what the poor were doing in Spain hundreds of years ago, and have given it approval as overall good for the culture, even if it is not good for the bottom line of the companies.
Ty for formalizing this post, so i didn't have to write a follow-up myself. :D
If you're into entertainment industry because you like to create, you're in the good. If you are there because you like to make money, you are on your own. You might help the industry with your actions, but you aren't actually essential to improving culture. Culture doesn't need help spreading and it's even arguable that mass media is detrimental to culture.
EDIT: P.S. Internet has made any copyright claims lost cause anyways imo. I just don't want to see public money everywhere used to defend people who are too stupid to have realized it.
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How can anyone be ok with this? this is the kind of thing that is destroying the industry's everyone on here loves, Movies, TV, Music, Video games etc. all of them are getting ripped apart due to piracy and for any country to be fine with that deserves to be bombed imo.
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Wow, that pretty cool, way to take a hard stance on this issue Switzerland
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...what, you missed the study they made that said exactly the opposite, that the effect of pirating there was barely noticeable on the industry?
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On December 05 2011 05:05 Project Psycho wrote:
How can anyone be ok with this? this is the kind of thing that is destroying the industry's everyone on here loves, Movies, TV, Music, Video games etc. all of them are getting ripped apart due to piracy and for any country to be fine with that deserves to be bombed imo.
Yeah. The movie industry is really hurting.
/sarcasm off
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On December 05 2011 05:05 Project Psycho wrote:
How can anyone be ok with this? this is the kind of thing that is destroying the industry's everyone on here loves, Movies, TV, Music, Video games etc. all of them are getting ripped apart due to piracy and for any country to be fine with that deserves to be bombed imo.
What? 28 Days Later sold 10,000 less DVDs? Fucking kill them all. Switzerland will run red with the blood of these traitorous swedes. Set the country on fire, damn it. They don't deserve life!
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On December 05 2011 04:56 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 04:40 Nyovne wrote:On December 05 2011 04:37 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:On December 05 2011 04:27 Gunther wrote:On December 05 2011 04:21 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:
So this government is essentially saying stealing is ok, as long as it doesn't hurt your bottom line. What's next are they going to legalize shop lifting in clothing stores as long as you only take one item of the rack? Or maybe they will legalize auto theft as long as you steal a car worth under $500. This is seriously the dumbest fuking law I have ever heard. Herp derp Switzerland.
User was warned for this post Stealing and Copyright Infringement are two completely different things. Copyright infringement IS stealing. It really isn't. But lack of revenue or infringement of a property right is experienced as such and experienced as akin to theft. How often I have to explain this even to people at work makes me sadface. In addition, this goes for entire Europe not just Switzerland and it's purely about not altering current regulations instead of actually creating regulations to allow this. Please explain to me how it is not stealing, or maybe my definition of copyright infringement is different from yours. If I develop a music and you take my music without permission through online downloading whether to use it to make your own music or to simply listen to the music, how is this any different from you simply walking into my home and taking the music out of hands?
Because when I take something out of your hands, you are losing something. You aren't losing anything from duplication of data.
You can't argue that you are losing money from being unable to enforce artificially high prices through artificial scarcity. Artificial scarcity perverts the market price. If you want to argue that it's impossible for people to make music without selling their CD's, which is obviously a falsehood to begin with, and if you think it's really necessary as a society that we fund the production of music, then maybe you should support public subsidizing of the music industry instead of supporting the destruction of a product from the marketplace.
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haha i didnt know that so many people mistook switzerland for sweden, always thought that that situation was unique for Austria and Australia..
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On December 05 2011 05:03 seedfreedom wrote:
so... who can teach me swiss...
I hope it was a joke, but I fear its actually not one :/
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