On December 05 2011 04:21 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote: So this government is essentially saying stealing is ok, as long as it doesn't hurt your bottom line. What's next are they going to legalize shop lifting in clothing stores as long as you only take one item of the rack? Or maybe they will legalize auto theft as long as you steal a car worth under $500. This is seriously the dumbest fuking law I have ever heard. Herp derp Switzerland.
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Stealing and Copyright Infringement are two completely different things.
Copyright infringement IS stealing.
It really isn't. But lack of revenue or infringement of a property right is experienced as such and experienced as akin to theft. How often I have to explain this even to people at work makes me sadface.
In addition, this goes for entire Europe not just Switzerland and it's purely about not altering current regulations instead of actually creating regulations to allow this.
Please explain to me how it is not stealing, or maybe my definition of copyright infringement is different from yours. If I develop a music and you take my music without permission through online downloading whether to use it to make your own music or to simply listen to the music, how is this any different from you simply walking into my home and taking the music out of hands?
correct me if i'm wrong, but copyright infringement implies taking credit for the work, no? if i downloaded nicki minaj's latest hit and told everyone that i produced it, then i would be breaking copyright laws. however, simply having the song, by whatever means i got it, does not give me credit for creating it.
stealing is another issue. is it stealing if someone did actually buy the track and then just shared it with the world? people can do that with physical cd's as well, but it's just much easier to do with the internet because you don't even need to know the person for them to decide to share it with you. whether that is right or wrong, i will not say. but i'm just stating what i believe to be facts.
On December 05 2011 05:11 KoBlades wrote: haha i didnt know that so many people mistook switzerland for sweden, always thought that that situation was unique for Austria and Australia..
Wait, there are actually people who confuse Austria and Australia? That's sad.
At least Sweden and Switzerland are on the same continent.
i guess this is just one more reason why blizzard and other companies are requiring people to login in to their shitty online servers to play games. combats illegal and legal piracy. i am not sure why a country would do this, but apparently it is has been this way for awhile. isnt switzerland the country that is known for hiding assets as well, including nazi gold? quite a reputation they are building for themselves. its like tortuga from pirates of the caribbean.
On December 05 2011 05:05 Project Psycho wrote: How can anyone be ok with this? this is the kind of thing that is destroying the industry's everyone on here loves, Movies, TV, Music, Video games etc. all of them are getting ripped apart due to piracy and for any country to be fine with that deserves to be bombed imo.
No, because the entertainment industry (THE DISNEY COMPANY) are quite frankly morally bankrupt. In the United States, the Founding Fathers originally set a 14 year limit on copyrights with the idea that anyone who made something should have some amount of time to make a profit from their creativity. Essentially, they wanted to encourage people to experiment and create. They set a limit to 14 years because they also wanted to people to continue creating, not just do one thing and then rest on their laurels for the rest of their lives.
The Disney Company has been constantly lobbying the government to increase this limit, and it is now somewhere around 90 years after the author is dead. That is ridiculous and contrary to the spirit of the law. Not only that, but because corporations create most products instead of people (something the Founding Fathers could not have foreseen), the author's death becomes much murkier in a legal setting. After all, Steven Spielberg did not create E.T. or Jaws alone, he had an enormous team of editors, actors, camera men, sound engineers, etc. working on the film. Who is the author in this scenario? Is it the main director or the company? It is very complicated.
Regardless, the Internet negates whatever argument we have on what the correct amount of time to have a copyright is anyway. Whether it be 100 years or 14 years, the instantaneous nature of the Internet negates that time. What companies should be doing is figuring out ways to make money from creative works that will sustain them in the thriving future, not the dying present.
Musicians are already ok with this since they make most of their money from concerts, not from CD or Song sales, and they always have. Very few musicians make the majority of their money from CD and song sales since the Record companies get the lion's share of that profit. That's why bands go on Tour so frequently (not the only reason, but the monetary incentive is fairly substantial). Obviously movie and book publishers do not go on tours, and less and less people go to the movies. Despite what you might think Avatar was not the most seen movie of all time. Although more people may have seen it, a much smaller percentage of the movie going populace saw it than the one that saw Gone with the Wind. And most movies are not Avatar anyway, so the percentage of the movie going public is going down substantially.
That leaves DVD sales (or Blu-Ray) which pirating obviously cuts in to. Pirating is also only going to get worse when you consider that though the majority of people do not pirate, the majority of people are also probably old and do not spend a lot of time on a computer. Most moms in their 40s barely know how to work one, let alone find a website like the now dead NinjaVideo or something like PirateBay or Isohunt. As the current generation of pirates ages, the number of people pirating will grow. This means that what these companies should be doing is figuring out ways to give pirates an incentive to pay, or to create alternative models for profit generation.
And no, this is not going to kill the industry since people will always find ways to create. There are many wonderful movies being created online through the use of either donations, or ad revenue models, and because the technology to create special effects is so cheap nowadays, they do a remarkable job. FreddieW's 3-5 minute shorts look better than half of the movies in the theater.
On December 05 2011 05:11 KoBlades wrote: haha i didnt know that so many people mistook switzerland for sweden, always thought that that situation was unique for Austria and Australia..
Be glad, I live in the Netherlands, for us it's simple, it's Nederland, we are Nederlanders and we speak nederlands
Now in English, I come from Holland, we are Dutch and speak dutch.
On December 05 2011 05:11 KoBlades wrote: haha i didnt know that so many people mistook switzerland for sweden, always thought that that situation was unique for Austria and Australia..
Be glad, I live in the Netherlands, for us it's simple, it's Nederland, we are Nederlanders and we speak nederlands
Now in English, I come from Holland, we are Dutch and speak dutch.
i thought in english its: From the land of Shrooms, be a drug addict speak scandinavian
On December 05 2011 05:11 KoBlades wrote: haha i didnt know that so many people mistook switzerland for sweden, always thought that that situation was unique for Austria and Australia..
Be glad, I live in the Netherlands, for us it's simple, it's Nederland, we are Nederlanders and we speak nederlands
Now in English, I come from Holland, we are Dutch and speak dutch.
i thought in english its: From the land of Shrooms, be a drug addict speak scandinavian
On December 05 2011 05:11 KoBlades wrote: haha i didnt know that so many people mistook switzerland for sweden, always thought that that situation was unique for Austria and Australia..
Be glad, I live in the Netherlands, for us it's simple, it's Nederland, we are Nederlanders and we speak nederlands
Now in English, I come from Holland, we are Dutch and speak dutch.
i thought in english its: From the land of Shrooms, be a drug addict speak scandinavian
thats american. but can we stop with the country bashing yes please?
btw i once received a packet which went to Swaziland first and came a month late to Switzerland. lol
On December 05 2011 05:11 KoBlades wrote: haha i didnt know that so many people mistook switzerland for sweden, always thought that that situation was unique for Austria and Australia..
Be glad, I live in the Netherlands, for us it's simple, it's Nederland, we are Nederlanders and we speak nederlands
Now in English, I come from Holland, we are Dutch and speak dutch.
Here you live in Holandia, are holender and speak holenderski. Of course, some more educated people may recognize you as Królestwo Niderlandów (Netherlands Kingdom) and that you speak niderlandzki (Netherland language) and fryzyjski (Frisian).
If you steal something (like a car), you essentially take it away from someone. If you download something "illegaly", you don't take it away from anyone except maybe the revenue. Now Switzerland made a study that shows that "illegal" downloads do not take away any revenue at all (which is in my opinion way more interesting than a country NOT changing it laws.)
On December 05 2011 05:11 KoBlades wrote: haha i didnt know that so many people mistook switzerland for sweden, always thought that that situation was unique for Austria and Australia..
Be glad, I live in the Netherlands, for us it's simple, it's Nederland, we are Nederlanders and we speak nederlands
Now in English, I come from Holland, we are Dutch and speak dutch.
Here you live in Holandia, are holender and speak holenderski. Of course, some more educated people may recognize you as Królestwo Niderlandów (Netherlands Kingdom) and that you speak niderlandzki (Netherland language) and fryzyjski (Frisian).
The Gaiman video is not a bad video, but you have to remember that not every author is Neil Gaiman. I'm not saying that his conclusion is wrong, because it isn't. It's been proven time and time again that allowing people to pirate will most likely increase sales. But most of the things being pirated are things people want anyway. And things that Neil Gaiman creates are tactile anyway (like books), whereas a TV show will have much more difficulty under this model. Providing Lost for free to people in Russia will most likely not increase sales of Lost DVDs.
FYI this law has allways been like this or atleast for the past few years,so to all the ppl saying:"I wonder how this is going to turn out" I don't think it will change a lot
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