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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
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LOcDowN
United States1015 Posts
On December 05 2011 04:19 FraCuS wrote: Swedish models!? SWEDISH MEATBALLS!?!? Piracy for personal use?!?!?!?!?!????!!?!?! Good bye USA. not swedish | ||
pPingu
Switzerland2892 Posts
On December 05 2011 04:22 Klyberess wrote: trolling overwhelming! seriously though, move me to Schweiz. Give us your women and we will consider it | ||
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Gunther
Germany139 Posts
On December 05 2011 04:21 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote: So this government is essentially saying stealing is ok, as long as it doesn't hurt your bottom line. What's next are they going to legalize shop lifting in clothing stores as long as you only take one item of the rack? Or maybe they will legalize auto theft as long as you steal a car worth under $500. This is seriously the dumbest fuking law I have ever heard. Herp derp Switzerland. User was warned for this post Stealing and Copyright Infringement are two completely different things. | ||
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Zalithian
520 Posts
"Through Sunday, August 1, movie distributors cumulatively grossed just over $6.7 billion at the domestic box office, according to Hollywood.com, putting the industry about 4.7 percent ahead of where it was at the same point last year." "Coming off a record-breaking 2009, during which the MPAA says U.S. distributors took in a staggering $29.9 billion at theaters around the globe..." (The Wrap) So, in summary: Boo freaking hoo. | ||
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DoXa
Switzerland1448 Posts
It's also for your "personal use" only, if you're selling it or giving it away you might do something illegal. Uploading is forbidden too. I'm not sure about software, but it might be more restrictive. | ||
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Mrvoodoochild1
United States1439 Posts
On December 05 2011 04:27 Gunther wrote: Stealing and Copyright Infringement are two completely different things. Copyright infringement IS stealing. | ||
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tnud
Sweden2233 Posts
On December 05 2011 04:37 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote: Copyright infringement IS stealing. No it isn't. Didn't you read the post you quoted?  No really, it isn't. It might sound the same but it really isn't. Stealing removes a copy from the retailer, copyright infringement doesn't. Considering many pirates never would have bought the product the infringed it becomes even more complex. | ||
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Geosensation
United States256 Posts
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JohnnyReverb
Switzerland132 Posts
luv it! | ||
Nyovne
Netherlands19138 Posts
On December 05 2011 04:37 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote: Copyright infringement IS stealing. It really isn't. But lack of revenue or infringement of a property right is experienced as such and experienced as akin to theft. How often I have to explain this even to people at work makes me sadface. In addition, this goes for entire Europe not just Switzerland and it's purely about not altering current regulations instead of actually creating regulations to allow this. | ||
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altered
Switzerland646 Posts
On December 05 2011 02:22 Sclol wrote: while we are at it switzerland also has really high salaries, barcrafts, cups only for swiss people and nice women. Feel free to join us Barcrafts? where? | ||
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Meself
Estonia552 Posts
On December 05 2011 04:21 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote: So this government is essentially saying stealing is ok, as long as it doesn't hurt your bottom line. What's next are they going to legalize shop lifting in clothing stores as long as you only take one item of the rack? Or maybe they will legalize auto theft as long as you steal a car worth under $500. This is seriously the dumbest fuking law I have ever heard. Herp derp Switzerland. User was warned for this post IP laws have and always will be controversial. Patent laws etc. redefined "theft" - i.e. you are a victim not only because you lost some property, but because someone else is using an idea that you we're the first to define as "yours". Before that everyone had to take care of keeping their trade secrets themselves. I think governments shouldn't participate much in helping people get personal gain. It's "every man for himself" anyways in business world, no need for that kind of support. | ||
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MidKnight
Lithuania884 Posts
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flowSthead
1065 Posts
On December 05 2011 03:49 BlackJack wrote: I know it's still illegal but what about being caught? Has the entertainment industry every successfully subpoenaed information from filehosting sites or ISPs about downloading? My point was that it isn't illegal unless it is illegal to possess pirated works. It is not always illegal to possess, although it is usually illegal to distribute. So sometimes you are in fact perfectly safe and legally ok to download from filehosting services, but it depends on where you live. And yes, the entertainment industry has successfully subpoenaed information from filehosting sites and ISPs. It's all about whether or not the ISPs allow it, and where the filehosting site is located. Most ISPs will not allow it, however it also depends on the person asking. For example, I think if a University asks for that information, the ISP will usually give it since the University is the one paying for the connection, not the student. They will usually not give it if you are just a regular consumer because of the backlash and because they want to make it seem like your information is secure (even if it isn't). As for filehosting sites, most of those are no longer based in the U.S. precisely due to being shut down and subpoenaed. The U.S. now attempts to work with foreign agencies to try to shut down foreign based websites that do filehosting. This is also why you see so many of these sites in countries like Spain and Switzerland, because the laws there are more in favor of the freedom to download and distribute (Spain especially has been clear about the ability to share culture as more important than profit making). | ||
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Grani
Germany50 Posts
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Reaper9
United States1724 Posts
. Seriously though, I just cringe every time I delve into the laws that Congress is trying to pass. | ||
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Disregard
China10252 Posts
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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
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flowSthead
1065 Posts
On December 05 2011 04:38 tnud wrote: No it isn't. Didn't you read the post you quoted? No really, it isn't. It might sound the same but it really isn't. Stealing removes a copy from the retailer, copyright infringement doesn't. Considering many pirates never would have bought the product the infringed it becomes even more complex. Although I generally agree, that isn't a good argument for allowing it. The idea that the people who pirate would not have bought it has an easy response. They shouldn't have it in the first place. If I can't purchase a chair, that doesn't mean I should have one regardless; if I can't purchase a movie ticket, that doesn't mean I should be able to walk into the theater anyway. Thus, if I cannot purchase a song/movie/game, I shouldn't be able to listen to it/watch it/play it. It's also not the same because physical products have a definite work to money ratio. I build a chair and then I charge you for the product and my time spent working on it. If I write a program that you can download, I only have to write it once, but does that mean I only have to charge one person for that program? If I write a book, does that mean I only have to charge one person for the story? The analogy does not really work with the inanimate. (I also realize books have a physical presence, and so of course you pay for the paper, but the majority of the cost is what the publisher thinks people will pay for the information on the paper, not the paper itself). The better way to argue against it is the way Spain has done. The Spanish courts liken downloading and sharing as a way to spread culture and educate people. People hundreds of years ago would borrow and copy books and give them to each other for free as a way to share knowledge. Libraries eventually replaced individuals since they could do it more efficiently with a greater number of books, and now the Internet can do it instantaneously and globally. The Spanish courts have essentially correlated the Internet with what the poor were doing in Spain hundreds of years ago, and have given it approval as overall good for the culture, even if it is not good for the bottom line of the companies. | ||
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