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Zandar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1541 Posts
December 04 2011 18:26 GMT
#81
And here in the netherlands they will do the opposite thing, it was legal and now they are aiming to make it illegal.

Luckily they will do it in typical dutch way, like they way we condone softdrugs "Downloading to become illegal in the Netherlands, but no enforcement against downloaders" lol

Btw for people who confuse Sweden and Switzerland:

Sweden: Abba, Vikings, Pippi Longstocking, Nils holgerson, knäckebröd
Switzerland: Mountains, Heidy, Cuckoo clocks, Watches, Swiss knife, Tax heaven
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
December 04 2011 18:29 GMT
#82
God, I really need to stop browsing General Thread. So many of these threads just make me sad to be an American TT. US law, litigation and policy seems so ass backwards on many issues in comparison to EU ;0
Not_Computer
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada2277 Posts
December 04 2011 18:30 GMT
#83
Ah, I'm glad to hear that Somalia is finally getting progressive and allowing everyone to be pirates legally.

+ Show Spoiler +

LOL at this thread, Switzerland != Sweden and of course the sarcastic Swaziland and Serbia.
"Jaedong hyung better be ready. I'm going to order the most expensive dinner in Korea."
kafkaesque
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Germany2006 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-04 18:32:25
December 04 2011 18:31 GMT
#84
On December 05 2011 03:16 Zion9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2011 02:35 kafkaesque wrote:
On December 05 2011 02:31 Zion9 wrote:
Just come to Romania, we didnt even have/had a law for this


You are also the toilet of Europe.


And your a very intelligent, educated person. OH wait a second...


Sorry, maybe the metaphor went over your head, Romania isn't Europe's toilet but rather its waste dumping ground.
This isn't even supposed to be insulting, it's a sad fact.

User was temp banned for this post.
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cmen15
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1519 Posts
December 04 2011 18:31 GMT
#85
Fckin sweet government <3 at least someone isn't getting bought up by the lobbyists haha jkjk. But really that's a sick statement to read, makes me happy.
Greed leads to just about all losses.
Valashu
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands561 Posts
December 04 2011 18:35 GMT
#86
Swiss are baller
The superior pilot uses his superior judgement to avoid exercising his superior skill.
Rannasha
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Netherlands2398 Posts
December 04 2011 18:35 GMT
#87
On December 05 2011 03:26 Zandar wrote:
And here in the netherlands they will do the opposite thing, it was legal and now they are aiming to make it illegal.


They'll fail though, there's no majority for this plan in parliament.

But yeah, the Netherlands has the same "advantages" as Switzerland. And it'll probably stay that way for a while. Which is good, since I currently live in the Netherlands, but it's quite likely I'll have to move to Switzerland at some point in my future (don't mind too much, except that it'll be to the French speaking part ).

One thing to note is that while downloading is legal in the Netherlands, the actual sharing / uploading of movies/music is not legal. I think this might be similar in Switzerland. This means that torrenting could still be risky (if the copyright-holders choose to prosecute individual downloaders/uploaders) as you have to upload stuff in order to be able to download.

The reason that software is exempt from this law is that with software it's not about the files, but about the license you need to run the programs legally. When you download the software, you don't have the license to legally run it and you're in violation. With music/movies there is no separation between the files and the license.
Such flammable little insects!
jeanphil
Profile Joined April 2011
France74 Posts
December 04 2011 18:36 GMT
#88
On December 05 2011 03:31 cmen15 wrote:
Fckin sweet government <3 at least someone isn't getting bought up by the lobbyists haha jkjk. But really that's a sick statement to read, makes me happy.


The gouvernement simply knows that the population would never accept a law that goes against downloading.
-Duderino-
Profile Joined July 2011
United States80 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-04 19:22:43
December 04 2011 18:36 GMT
#89
Smart move by Swiss gov seeing as how their country doesn't produce much that anyone would bother to pirate there will be only a few losses for the country's citizens.
The Dude abides.
stokes17
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1411 Posts
December 04 2011 18:36 GMT
#90
The most amusing part of this thread is all the people praising Sweden lol. Its good that they didn't try and make personal downloading illegal, would have been basically impossible to enforce (see America rofl)
DeadBull
Profile Joined August 2011
421 Posts
December 04 2011 18:38 GMT
#91
pretty cool.
but who care anyways...
PhiliBiRD
Profile Joined November 2009
United States2643 Posts
December 04 2011 18:39 GMT
#92
Why are people talkinga bout Sweden lol


anyways, pretty awesome. go swizterland!
DarkRise
Profile Joined November 2010
1644 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-04 18:41:19
December 04 2011 18:41 GMT
#93
I feel bad for all the Swiss actors or singers making a break into the industry. Guess they won't be earning as much =/
Well it's ridiculous how much they pay for actors and singers anyways so its good lol
Gnosis
Profile Joined December 2008
Scotland912 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-04 18:41:26
December 04 2011 18:41 GMT
#94
This was the best part:


The government concluded, then, that no change to the current legal structure was necessary, and urged the entertainment industry to grow and adapt with the changes in technology and in consumer habits, rather than trying to suppress progress.
"Reason is flawless, de jure, but reasoners are not, de facto." – Peter Kreeft
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
December 04 2011 18:43 GMT
#95
Best thing that happened to us since Henrik Larsson told his mom it was time to be born. I'm off, eating some krisprolls on my ikea table.
Terran & Potato Salad.
mprs
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2933 Posts
December 04 2011 18:46 GMT
#96
So they did research, and made legislation (or rather, not made legislation) based on the findings of said research.

Are we there yet?
Are we there yet?
We talkin about PRACTICE
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
December 04 2011 18:49 GMT
#97
On December 05 2011 03:24 flowSthead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2011 02:26 BlackJack wrote:
On December 05 2011 02:14 Sclol wrote:
On December 05 2011 02:11 dinmsab wrote:
On December 05 2011 02:03 Sclol wrote:
For those wondering... you could ALWAYS download everything that isnt illegal (like childpornography) but not upload it in Switzerland


So basically that makes bittorrent illegal right?


Yes it does


Isn't torrenting the only way to get caught anyway? I thought downloading from filehosting sites was considered safe


It depends on the law. You can compare it to laws about drugs like marijuana. Most places have laws about distribution, while some places also have laws about possession. Downloading from a filehosting site instead of bittorrent protects you from the distribution charge, but not from the possession charge.

You can see this with emulators for video games since I believe in certain places it is illegal to own a downloaded game that you do not own in a legal way (Steam is downloaded but legal). In other words, if I buy a Nintendo 64 and a Super Mario 64, I can download an emulator and a copy of Mario 64 and it can be legal. If I download a copy of StarFox without the physical copy as well, then that is probably going to be illegal. Emulators themselves are, I believe, fine by themselves since they can't do anything without the games. So technically you could buy a Mario 64 without Nintendo system and still be fine legally (I believe, don't quote me on that).

In any case, the law can be complicated, and I can give you no definite answers since I am not too familiar with it as every state may or may not have different relevant laws. I imagine some states also have no laws about this, and the corresponding law could be a federal one.


I know it's still illegal but what about being caught? Has the entertainment industry every successfully subpoenaed information from filehosting sites or ISPs about downloading?
sVnteen
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2238 Posts
December 04 2011 18:49 GMT
#98
On December 05 2011 02:02 Sclol wrote:
sure feels good
Switzerland is not Sweden and not Germany (especially not the Nazi version)
edit: it will not take action to alter current copyright laws allowing the downloading of music and movies for personal use.
it has always been like this nothing new


would you pease delete the nazi shit?

cool for the guys living in switzerland makes me kinda sad though
MY LIFE STARTS NOW ♥
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
December 04 2011 18:53 GMT
#99
This thread makes me confused about which country I'm living in... >_>

My IKEA-made watch tells me I should finish the yodeling ABBA CD so I'll have time to go cross country skiing down the Alps.
+ Show Spoiler +
Then i'll go download some copyrighted material for private use.
nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
December 04 2011 18:54 GMT
#100
On December 05 2011 03:14 Sclol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2011 03:14 danl9rm wrote:
Making something legal doesn't make it right.

it has always been legal :I

making something illegal doesn't make it wrong...
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