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On December 05 2011 23:30 gruff wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 23:10 Velr wrote:
Ahm. Just some hints:
Streaming Music = Have you listened to some Internet Radio?
No quality issues there.
Streaming Video/Music = Youtube (and tons others).
No quality issues there.
WHY do you want or feel it's needed to download stuff? The only reason that is left, is that it is accesible when offline. But i doubt we will be offline in any even a little populated area in the near future.
Eh, there are quality issues. There are connectivity issues. There are compability issues with streaming programs and devices/os. There are cost and cap issues (download once, play how many times you want vs stream over and over. If you have offline mode then that's just another way of downloading it...). That's just a few reasons that took my a few seconds to think of...
Also, if you can download 720-1080p movie with multiple audio/subtitle tracks in 5 min, why bother finding a stream? Not to mention the degree of control you get in players like VLC or Mplayer: denoise, volume normalization, equalizer, sync etc.
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Sorry, edited my post above.
Can you tell me what exactly is worse about streamed music... Must be one hell of a song if 1-2+ MB's/sec isn't enough to getit to you in decent quality... And this would actually have like nothing to do with the actual streaming but the record your streaming from and the speed of your connection?
Yes, on the road it's not "good" enough atm (and way to expensive) but that will change soon.
I recently downloaded Dota 2 from Steam.. 4MB/Sec and my connection is nothing fancy, just more or less standard cable. I would like to think thats sufficient for any kind of "quality" your music might requires and it will only get faster (abd usable "on the road") in the coming years  .
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On December 05 2011 22:54 Velr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 22:36 Roggay wrote:On December 05 2011 22:31 Velr wrote:
What i find funny...
People still download? Isn't anyone just streaming anyway? What? Of course people download... you get way better quality this way, and its usually much easier to find. O_o Please tell me the diffrence between a HD-Download and a HD-Stream? Chances are, if you don't find a HD-Stream you also won't find a HD-Download. Or then you wait a little until the "famous" streaming sites have the HD-Stream, which happens like right after the HD-DL is avalaible somewhere? :p. Well, maybe i'm a little "early" in calling downloads "old". But I doubt we will download much in 5 years from now..
yeah i think thats not in the slightest whats gonna happen. people will always prefer having the actual files on their pc
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switzerland is getting more and more attractive
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God bless you, forward thinkers. Keep that flame of hope alive for those of us who aren't having as much luck in our homes as you. 
If I ever get relocated at work, I'm putting you guys as my #1 choice. <3
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On December 05 2011 21:27 Pandemona wrote:
Also i think the best way to combat "piracy" is just to make Spotify/Grooveshark more aware to the internet i mean you can listen to any song any time on spotify and grooveshark for so little a month or just use it for free but your not downloading it or taking it away from your computer which is fine imo.
I have used spotify twice. Both times I un-installed it as a worthless thing, even worse than a paperweight. It had none of the songs I wanted to listen to. I tried a total of 10 different artists, they had a total of 0 songs from them combined.
As for the topic at hand. so they decided to keep their current law for the foreseeable future due to no reason to change. Nice for them.
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I find it hard to believe it doesn't effect the entertainment industry.. I mean just look at community, being "cancelled" because itsd ratings have been shit, when its one of the most watched comedies. It just so happens that the demographic that loves community is the same demographic that watches most of their TV online via streaming/downloading.
Pretty big effect imo
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On December 06 2011 01:27 Ian Ian Ian wrote:
I find it hard to believe it doesn't effect the entertainment industry.. I mean just look at community, being "cancelled" because itsd ratings have been shit, when its one of the most watched comedies. It just so happens that the demographic that loves community is the same demographic that watches most of their TV online via streaming/downloading.
Pretty big effect imo
You mean, people still watch TV? I can't really tell when was the last time I turned the damned thing on. I guess I did watch some news on it during the last 4 years but nothing past that.
For me, TV and Radio have been obsolete for a while. Internet and books it is for me.
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On December 06 2011 01:27 Ian Ian Ian wrote:
I find it hard to believe it doesn't effect the entertainment industry.. I mean just look at community, being "cancelled" because itsd ratings have been shit, when its one of the most watched comedies. It just so happens that the demographic that loves community is the same demographic that watches most of their TV online via streaming/downloading.
Pretty big effect imo
TV shows are getting cancelled because no one watches TV. Release it online. Money saved, problem solved.
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On December 06 2011 04:24 seppolevne wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 01:27 Ian Ian Ian wrote:
I find it hard to believe it doesn't effect the entertainment industry.. I mean just look at community, being "cancelled" because itsd ratings have been shit, when its one of the most watched comedies. It just so happens that the demographic that loves community is the same demographic that watches most of their TV online via streaming/downloading.
Pretty big effect imo TV shows are getting cancelled because no one watches TV. Release it online. Money saved, problem solved.
They do release it online. Why would someone watch an online version that has commercials when they can watch an online version that doesn't have commercials? It also costs money to deliver shows online.
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On December 06 2011 05:10 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 04:24 seppolevne wrote:On December 06 2011 01:27 Ian Ian Ian wrote:
I find it hard to believe it doesn't effect the entertainment industry.. I mean just look at community, being "cancelled" because itsd ratings have been shit, when its one of the most watched comedies. It just so happens that the demographic that loves community is the same demographic that watches most of their TV online via streaming/downloading.
Pretty big effect imo TV shows are getting cancelled because no one watches TV. Release it online. Money saved, problem solved. They do release it online. Why would someone watch an online version that has commercials when they can watch an online version that doesn't have commercials? It also costs money to deliver shows online.
better quality and safer sites? watching 30seconds of commercials isnt even bothering me. i actually pay attention to online commercial whereas ob TV I just change the channel.
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On December 05 2011 02:05 tnud wrote:If only we swedes would have stood up for our old laws like Switzerland did So many studies and such yet hollywood is slowly winning over here.. EDIT: Sweden does have a law for "personal use" too, we get taxed for it instead which is a whole different matter. (We pay tax to a private organization... yep.)
Here we pay too. Tax from empty harddisks, CDs etc. And it has been outlawed by EU, but no problem :D.
Also downloading is legal in most places I think, only uploading is frowned upon.
On December 06 2011 05:26 Yuljan wrote:
better quality and safer sites? watching 30seconds of commercials isnt even bothering me. i actually pay attention to online commercial whereas ob TV I just change the channel.
Safer sites? How hard is it to use a search engine and click once? Quality of (official) online content is usually terribad and you can't even use your own player (forced to use quicktime/flash or some other crap).
Or am I misunderstanding this and he isn't talking about torrenting?
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On December 06 2011 05:10 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 04:24 seppolevne wrote:On December 06 2011 01:27 Ian Ian Ian wrote:
I find it hard to believe it doesn't effect the entertainment industry.. I mean just look at community, being "cancelled" because itsd ratings have been shit, when its one of the most watched comedies. It just so happens that the demographic that loves community is the same demographic that watches most of their TV online via streaming/downloading.
Pretty big effect imo TV shows are getting cancelled because no one watches TV. Release it online. Money saved, problem solved. They do release it online. Why would someone watch an online version that has commercials when they can watch an online version that doesn't have commercials? It also costs money to deliver shows online.
My default start point when trying to watch something online is to google "watch (name of show) online". For a British show such as Peep Show the top link will be Channel 4's "4 on demand" service which allows me to watch it online in decent quality legally if I am willing to put up with the ads. I have zero problems with the ads, it's a fair exchange for the ease, good quality, fast streaming and the legality. If the industry is willing to meet me halfway then I feel I should encourage them and on their part it's a no brainer as I'd have watched it online anyway had they not provided the service and somebody else would have gotten the ad revenue. The lesson has been proved time and time again with services such as itunes, people will take the legal option if it matches the illegal option in convenience and availability. It's on the industry to keep up with their consumers and those that refuse to leave their outmoded systems will see themselves replaced.
One thing that surprises me though is that they don't take advantage of the fact you're watching online to tailor ads to you. I'd happily take 10 seconds giving them my gender and age if it meant I got ads that were more interesting to me.
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On December 05 2011 07:00 SafeAsCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 06:31 FabledIntegral wrote:
Personally I think it's ridiculous. I think a very large majority of the reason people don't pirate at the moment is because it's illegal, and they don't want that off chance of getting caught.
If it becomes legal, I would pirate EVERYTHING and not pay a single dime. Sorry, but all I consider that is charity to companies that did a good job, and I'm not a charity person when my disposable income comes from a $10.40/hr job. Agreed. I also believe this is why the PC industry is struggling, you can just download th games =/ The Witcher 2 has lost hundreds of thousands of sales to piracy. If their sales differences are "negligible", why are small companies and indie devs struggling while large companies with massive shitty DRM doing amazing?
Amnesia and The Witcher 1+2 were massive successes, the true enemy of PC gaming is the console. Also I doubt software is included in the Swiss law.
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On December 06 2011 05:26 Yuljan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 05:10 BlackJack wrote:On December 06 2011 04:24 seppolevne wrote:On December 06 2011 01:27 Ian Ian Ian wrote:
I find it hard to believe it doesn't effect the entertainment industry.. I mean just look at community, being "cancelled" because itsd ratings have been shit, when its one of the most watched comedies. It just so happens that the demographic that loves community is the same demographic that watches most of their TV online via streaming/downloading.
Pretty big effect imo TV shows are getting cancelled because no one watches TV. Release it online. Money saved, problem solved. They do release it online. Why would someone watch an online version that has commercials when they can watch an online version that doesn't have commercials? It also costs money to deliver shows online. better quality and safer sites? watching 30seconds of commercials isnt even bothering me. i actually pay attention to online commercial whereas ob TV I just change the channel.
Let's not forget that american shows offered online are often not available outside of the US. The entertainment industry is so slow adapting to the new realities of the internet and is missing so many business opportunities because of it. Instead it is doing everything in its power to return to status quo ante, a futile endeavour.
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On December 05 2011 07:00 SafeAsCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 06:31 FabledIntegral wrote:
Personally I think it's ridiculous. I think a very large majority of the reason people don't pirate at the moment is because it's illegal, and they don't want that off chance of getting caught.
If it becomes legal, I would pirate EVERYTHING and not pay a single dime. Sorry, but all I consider that is charity to companies that did a good job, and I'm not a charity person when my disposable income comes from a $10.40/hr job. Agreed. I also believe this is why the PC industry is struggling, you can just download th games =/ The Witcher 2 has lost hundreds of thousands of sales to piracy. If their sales differences are "negligible", why are small companies and indie devs struggling while large companies with massive shitty DRM doing amazing?
You are wrong. Other games are "losing" sales as well, their futilez DRMz doesn't matterz. The Witcher publisher only chose not to repay the customers by bothering them with useless protection.
It's much more likely that established companies can sell even shitty games (CoD), because they have tons of money to spend on advertising and hype.
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how do you guys not watch tv? how about when you have friends over for some live sports in the television in the living room with some beers and chips. Especially if you follow a sport or a team.
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We go to a Pub?
Seriously, the only time i "watch" TV is when i want to sleep and need something to "talk me in" when i have a hangover or something  .
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On December 05 2011 20:00 Skilledblob wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 17:59 FabledIntegral wrote:
Companies need to rely on donations now to make money? What a joke.
what companies should rely on is making good products.
That isn't relevant. If they make good products, they still rely on donations.
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Wait. Switzerland gets the beautiful Alps AND a government that listens to young people? Not fair.
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