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@Eun_Star Finally we have an eye witness. Look everyone, this is a bad sign for America in general. I am sure everyone has their reasons for either wanting the status quo or change. However, the recent activities overall is pointing towards crazy times, especially with the protests, the internet laws, and the general incompetence of our government.
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On November 21 2011 15:22 Eun_Star wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 13:52 FallDownMarigold wrote:
1) College is expensive, and some students rightfully want to go to class.
2) Students protesting on that pathway are blocking students from going to class.
3) Students won't move as requested; students are warned but don't move.
Result: Students are sprayed. Notice how the reason for which they were protesting isn't even important? It just matters that they were doing something totally and obviously wrong by loitering in a pathway, and they knew it too in order to prove a point. If they can't take the consequences they should think first.
That "pathway" runs along the middle of the quad surrounded by grass, and I can tell you this: these students did NOT block ANY students from going to class. The incident took place at around 3:30~4:00 and most students are already off campus. In fact, there's absolutely no reason to use this pathway to go to class. I'm a current student in UCD. It was completely unnecessary to use the pepper spray on these students. Suitemate of mine was arrested+walked out of the protest with a nerve damage in his left arm. He's an artist and we're heading towards the last 3 weeks of school (including finals), so I am quite worried about his condition that may directly affect his academics. Look, 81% increase in tuition is INSANE. I'll be out of here within 2 years and this increase probably won't affect me as much (at least for undergraduate studies), but I have a brother in high school who will be paying almost twice as much tuition when he attends college. My parents are already struggling with helping us (my sister and I) pay for our education. The situation could have been "better." We are simply outraged at HOW the police handled the situation. Please don't make wild assumptions and type out words/sentences that may offend those who are involved with the protests. We are trying to let our voices be heard. To my fellow UC Davis students, see you tomorrow at 12! I'll make sure to be there. This one will be big.
Keep up the good work. Honestly I haven't met a single person who doesn't support what you guys are doing. The few arguing the whole disobedience thing probably exist only on the internet.
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On November 21 2011 15:22 Eun_Star wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 13:52 FallDownMarigold wrote:
1) College is expensive, and some students rightfully want to go to class.
2) Students protesting on that pathway are blocking students from going to class.
3) Students won't move as requested; students are warned but don't move.
Result: Students are sprayed. Notice how the reason for which they were protesting isn't even important? It just matters that they were doing something totally and obviously wrong by loitering in a pathway, and they knew it too in order to prove a point. If they can't take the consequences they should think first.
That "pathway" runs along the middle of the quad surrounded by grass, and I can tell you this: these students did NOT block ANY students from going to class. The incident took place at around 3:30~4:00 and most students are already off campus. In fact, there's absolutely no reason to use this pathway to go to class. I'm a current student in UCD. It was completely unnecessary to use the pepper spray on these students. Suitemate of mine was arrested+walked out of the protest with a nerve damage in his left arm. He's an artist and we're heading towards the last 3 weeks of school (including finals), so I am quite worried about his condition that may directly affect his academics. Look, 81% increase in tuition is INSANE. I'll be out of here within 2 years and this increase probably won't affect me as much (at least for undergraduate studies), but I have a brother in high school who will be paying almost twice as much tuition when he attends college. My parents are already struggling with helping us (my sister and I) pay for our education. The situation could have been "better." We are simply outraged at HOW the police handled the situation. Please don't make wild assumptions and type out words/sentences that may offend those who are involved with the protests. We are trying to let our voices be heard. To my fellow UC Davis students, see you tomorrow at 12! I'll make sure to be there. This one will be big.
Are the protesters more upset at the cops or the chancellor? To me this seems to be an issue with the administration. If this protest was as peaceful and non-disruptive as you say, what reason has the chancellor given for calling in the police. It just seems an unnecessary escalation. Now of course the protests take on a whole new meaning and are quite likely to increase rather than subside.
Good luck!
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On November 21 2011 15:27 W2 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 15:22 Eun_Star wrote:On November 21 2011 13:52 FallDownMarigold wrote:
1) College is expensive, and some students rightfully want to go to class.
2) Students protesting on that pathway are blocking students from going to class.
3) Students won't move as requested; students are warned but don't move.
Result: Students are sprayed. Notice how the reason for which they were protesting isn't even important? It just matters that they were doing something totally and obviously wrong by loitering in a pathway, and they knew it too in order to prove a point. If they can't take the consequences they should think first.
That "pathway" runs along the middle of the quad surrounded by grass, and I can tell you this: these students did NOT block ANY students from going to class. The incident took place at around 3:30~4:00 and most students are already off campus. In fact, there's absolutely no reason to use this pathway to go to class. I'm a current student in UCD. It was completely unnecessary to use the pepper spray on these students. Suitemate of mine was arrested+walked out of the protest with a nerve damage in his left arm. He's an artist and we're heading towards the last 3 weeks of school (including finals), so I am quite worried about his condition that may directly affect his academics. Look, 81% increase in tuition is INSANE. I'll be out of here within 2 years and this increase probably won't affect me as much (at least for undergraduate studies), but I have a brother in high school who will be paying almost twice as much tuition when he attends college. My parents are already struggling with helping us (my sister and I) pay for our education. The situation could have been "better." We are simply outraged at HOW the police handled the situation. Please don't make wild assumptions and type out words/sentences that may offend those who are involved with the protests. We are trying to let our voices be heard. To my fellow UC Davis students, see you tomorrow at 12! I'll make sure to be there. This one will be big. Keep up the good work. Honestly I haven't met a single person who doesn't support what you guys are doing. The few arguing the whole disobedience thing probably exist only on the internet.
Man, I'm really sorry to hear about your friend. Hope that nerve damage isn't permanent. Good luck at the meeting tomorrow! Stay strong!
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On November 21 2011 15:23 W2 wrote:
In the world we live in though, cops are dicks.
Depends how you look at it. Cops get sick of dealing with bullshit, you have to deal with a lot of it in that line of work. If you don't bullshit a cop, they are generally pretty reasonable. When you bullshit them or give them a hard time, they are going to go out of their way to make you miserable because that's what you're doing to them. Despite the badge, they are still people just like you and me. And people hate to be treated like shit.
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On November 21 2011 15:24 ddrddrddrddr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 15:22 Yamoth wrote:On November 21 2011 15:16 BluePanther wrote:On November 21 2011 15:10 Yamoth wrote:
My question to all the people who agree with this kind of treatment to protester is how fucken hard is it to simple pulling people off from the pack one by one and arresting them. Those people are not going anyway and god know the have enough officer there to gang up on the student one by one and separate them. Retarded action like this is nothing more than extreme aggression in hoping that it will deter future action from taking place. The stupidity in this is that the action taken here is no where extreme enough or was it justifiable to scare people. All this really does is pissed people off even more and painted a giant target on people take participate or allowed this brutality to take place. Harder than you think. You're actually going to do less damage with pepper spray than you are going to do by forcefully removing them. You're almost guaranteed to accidentally sprain an ankle or break a finger when forcibly removing someone 15 times. And none of the officers want to do that on tape. Pepper spray is a simple way to ensure nobody is permanently injured. It is harder when the people you are arresting is violently resisting arrest. What happen here is there the police where arresting protester one by one like they supposed to do before they got surrounded by more student; got scared and over-respond to the situation. I remembered this hold Chinese quote going something like, "kill one to warn thousands other". The correct action here would be to either continue to arrest protester like they did before more people showed up or back off and reassemble when they get more officer on ground or the mob cleared out some. This have nothing to do with the right or wrong and everything to do with the officers being scared and over-react. Which officer looked scared to you? Did you see any footage of the officers attempting to get out of the crowd? How about some examples of those violently resisting arrest? Did the officer who did the spraying look like he was acting out of instinct and fear?
If it is not fear than it would be either annoyance or stupidity, you take your pick. I have zero example of those violently resisting arrest and that is exactly my point. If they pepper spray wasn't the result of fear than I wish and example was made of the officer just like an example he made by pepper spraying non-violent protester.
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On November 21 2011 15:29 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 15:22 Eun_Star wrote:On November 21 2011 13:52 FallDownMarigold wrote:
1) College is expensive, and some students rightfully want to go to class.
2) Students protesting on that pathway are blocking students from going to class.
3) Students won't move as requested; students are warned but don't move.
Result: Students are sprayed. Notice how the reason for which they were protesting isn't even important? It just matters that they were doing something totally and obviously wrong by loitering in a pathway, and they knew it too in order to prove a point. If they can't take the consequences they should think first.
That "pathway" runs along the middle of the quad surrounded by grass, and I can tell you this: these students did NOT block ANY students from going to class. The incident took place at around 3:30~4:00 and most students are already off campus. In fact, there's absolutely no reason to use this pathway to go to class. I'm a current student in UCD. It was completely unnecessary to use the pepper spray on these students. Suitemate of mine was arrested+walked out of the protest with a nerve damage in his left arm. He's an artist and we're heading towards the last 3 weeks of school (including finals), so I am quite worried about his condition that may directly affect his academics. Look, 81% increase in tuition is INSANE. I'll be out of here within 2 years and this increase probably won't affect me as much (at least for undergraduate studies), but I have a brother in high school who will be paying almost twice as much tuition when he attends college. My parents are already struggling with helping us (my sister and I) pay for our education. The situation could have been "better." We are simply outraged at HOW the police handled the situation. Please don't make wild assumptions and type out words/sentences that may offend those who are involved with the protests. We are trying to let our voices be heard. To my fellow UC Davis students, see you tomorrow at 12! I'll make sure to be there. This one will be big. Are the protesters more upset at the cops or the chancellor? To me this seems to be an issue with the administration. If this protest was as peaceful and non-disruptive as you say, what reason has the chancellor given for calling in the police. It just seems an unnecessary escalation. Now of course the protests take on a whole new meaning and are quite likely to increase rather than subside. Good luck!
I'd say both. The Chancellor is held accountable for calling the "cops" and UC Davis Police Department did a poor job of handling the situation--as you have seen.
Thank you all for your support!
edit: The tuition increase is planned to rise by 81% by 2015-2016. I'd like to point out that tuition in 2005 was ~$5357. Currently it stands at ~$12,192 and according to the proposed plan, it will rise to ~$22,068. The OP is incorrect.
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On November 21 2011 15:35 Yamoth wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 15:24 ddrddrddrddr wrote:On November 21 2011 15:22 Yamoth wrote:On November 21 2011 15:16 BluePanther wrote:On November 21 2011 15:10 Yamoth wrote:
My question to all the people who agree with this kind of treatment to protester is how fucken hard is it to simple pulling people off from the pack one by one and arresting them. Those people are not going anyway and god know the have enough officer there to gang up on the student one by one and separate them. Retarded action like this is nothing more than extreme aggression in hoping that it will deter future action from taking place. The stupidity in this is that the action taken here is no where extreme enough or was it justifiable to scare people. All this really does is pissed people off even more and painted a giant target on people take participate or allowed this brutality to take place. Harder than you think. You're actually going to do less damage with pepper spray than you are going to do by forcefully removing them. You're almost guaranteed to accidentally sprain an ankle or break a finger when forcibly removing someone 15 times. And none of the officers want to do that on tape. Pepper spray is a simple way to ensure nobody is permanently injured. It is harder when the people you are arresting is violently resisting arrest. What happen here is there the police where arresting protester one by one like they supposed to do before they got surrounded by more student; got scared and over-respond to the situation. I remembered this hold Chinese quote going something like, "kill one to warn thousands other". The correct action here would be to either continue to arrest protester like they did before more people showed up or back off and reassemble when they get more officer on ground or the mob cleared out some. This have nothing to do with the right or wrong and everything to do with the officers being scared and over-react. Which officer looked scared to you? Did you see any footage of the officers attempting to get out of the crowd? How about some examples of those violently resisting arrest? Did the officer who did the spraying look like he was acting out of instinct and fear? If it is not fear than it would be either annoyance or stupidity, you take your pick. I have zero example of those violently resisting arrest and that is exactly my point. If they pepper spray wasn't the result of fear than I wish and example was made of the officer just like an example he made by pepper spraying non-violent protester.
What the fuck are you talking about? Annoyance and stupidity? You consider that legitimate justification for police brutality? No violently resisting arrests is EXACTLY your point? If no body is doing anything violent, they don't have a godamn thing to make an example for!
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On November 21 2011 14:41 Meta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 14:39 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
It's funny how when the police tase or spray idiots being belligerent after being pulled over by a cop, people think "Thank god that idiot got tased!" But when a bunch of dumb kids get pepper sprayed, oh boy is that so very wrong! Also, they were sprayed because they were resisting arrest. Resisting arrest=tase on most days, spray against protesters since they are so very special. Resisting arrest over something that is not a crime is NOT the same as resisting arrest over something that is. Everybody needs to read the details before posting, this thread is mind numbing 
Actually, it is a crime.
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On November 21 2011 15:38 ddrddrddrddr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 15:35 Yamoth wrote:On November 21 2011 15:24 ddrddrddrddr wrote:On November 21 2011 15:22 Yamoth wrote:On November 21 2011 15:16 BluePanther wrote:On November 21 2011 15:10 Yamoth wrote:
My question to all the people who agree with this kind of treatment to protester is how fucken hard is it to simple pulling people off from the pack one by one and arresting them. Those people are not going anyway and god know the have enough officer there to gang up on the student one by one and separate them. Retarded action like this is nothing more than extreme aggression in hoping that it will deter future action from taking place. The stupidity in this is that the action taken here is no where extreme enough or was it justifiable to scare people. All this really does is pissed people off even more and painted a giant target on people take participate or allowed this brutality to take place. Harder than you think. You're actually going to do less damage with pepper spray than you are going to do by forcefully removing them. You're almost guaranteed to accidentally sprain an ankle or break a finger when forcibly removing someone 15 times. And none of the officers want to do that on tape. Pepper spray is a simple way to ensure nobody is permanently injured. It is harder when the people you are arresting is violently resisting arrest. What happen here is there the police where arresting protester one by one like they supposed to do before they got surrounded by more student; got scared and over-respond to the situation. I remembered this hold Chinese quote going something like, "kill one to warn thousands other". The correct action here would be to either continue to arrest protester like they did before more people showed up or back off and reassemble when they get more officer on ground or the mob cleared out some. This have nothing to do with the right or wrong and everything to do with the officers being scared and over-react. Which officer looked scared to you? Did you see any footage of the officers attempting to get out of the crowd? How about some examples of those violently resisting arrest? Did the officer who did the spraying look like he was acting out of instinct and fear? If it is not fear than it would be either annoyance or stupidity, you take your pick. I have zero example of those violently resisting arrest and that is exactly my point. If they pepper spray wasn't the result of fear than I wish and example was made of the officer just like an example he made by pepper spraying non-violent protester. What the fuck are you talking about? Annoyance and stupidity? You consider that legitimate justification for police brutality? No violently resisting arrests is EXACTLY your point? If no body is doing anything violent, they don't have a godamn thing to make an example for!
If your argument for the police action is because the protester is acting violently then please bring your prove. Over what i've read through god knows how many sources and news site, there wasn't a single mention anyway that the protester was in any way action violently. Give me that and I promise myself and I'm sure most people in here would shut the fuck up and admit my own fault and ignorance.
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On November 21 2011 15:42 Yamoth wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 15:38 ddrddrddrddr wrote:On November 21 2011 15:35 Yamoth wrote:On November 21 2011 15:24 ddrddrddrddr wrote:On November 21 2011 15:22 Yamoth wrote:On November 21 2011 15:16 BluePanther wrote:On November 21 2011 15:10 Yamoth wrote:
My question to all the people who agree with this kind of treatment to protester is how fucken hard is it to simple pulling people off from the pack one by one and arresting them. Those people are not going anyway and god know the have enough officer there to gang up on the student one by one and separate them. Retarded action like this is nothing more than extreme aggression in hoping that it will deter future action from taking place. The stupidity in this is that the action taken here is no where extreme enough or was it justifiable to scare people. All this really does is pissed people off even more and painted a giant target on people take participate or allowed this brutality to take place. Harder than you think. You're actually going to do less damage with pepper spray than you are going to do by forcefully removing them. You're almost guaranteed to accidentally sprain an ankle or break a finger when forcibly removing someone 15 times. And none of the officers want to do that on tape. Pepper spray is a simple way to ensure nobody is permanently injured. It is harder when the people you are arresting is violently resisting arrest. What happen here is there the police where arresting protester one by one like they supposed to do before they got surrounded by more student; got scared and over-respond to the situation. I remembered this hold Chinese quote going something like, "kill one to warn thousands other". The correct action here would be to either continue to arrest protester like they did before more people showed up or back off and reassemble when they get more officer on ground or the mob cleared out some. This have nothing to do with the right or wrong and everything to do with the officers being scared and over-react. Which officer looked scared to you? Did you see any footage of the officers attempting to get out of the crowd? How about some examples of those violently resisting arrest? Did the officer who did the spraying look like he was acting out of instinct and fear? If it is not fear than it would be either annoyance or stupidity, you take your pick. I have zero example of those violently resisting arrest and that is exactly my point. If they pepper spray wasn't the result of fear than I wish and example was made of the officer just like an example he made by pepper spraying non-violent protester. What the fuck are you talking about? Annoyance and stupidity? You consider that legitimate justification for police brutality? No violently resisting arrests is EXACTLY your point? If no body is doing anything violent, they don't have a godamn thing to make an example for! If your argument for the police action is because the protester is acting violently then please bring your prove. Over what i've read through god knows how many sources and news site, there wasn't a single mention anyway that the protester was in any way action violently. Give me that and I promise myself and I'm sure most people in here would shut the fuck up and admit my own fault and ignorance.
I know they're not acting violently ffs. That was never my point. I was responding to the quote from above:
It is harder when the people you are arresting is violently resisting arrest. What happen here is there the police where arresting protester one by one like they supposed to do before they got surrounded by more student; got scared and over-respond to the situation. I remembered this hold Chinese quote going something like, "kill one to warn thousands other". The correct action here would be to either continue to arrest protester like they did before more people showed up or back off and reassemble when they get more officer on ground or the mob cleared out some.
Read my actual post before replying with broken sentences that make no sense.
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I am completely disgusted in the people that are fine with what transpired, people are trying to get their message across and then are sprayed with harmful chemicals. If you are coughing up blood for 45 min after being hit by the stuff then it is obviously excessive force and should be considered assault.
I disagree with how the occupy movement is trying to get shit done, it would be far more effective if they stormed government and demanded change instead of standing in random places wasting everyone's time.
Again, police serve the people, apparently American's are allowed to hold peaceful protests wherever they want, and all I ever see the police doing is forcibly removing protesters. Kind of makes you think.
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As a serious skeptic of the occupy movements (my perception of the occupy movements from what I've seen/read is that the majority of people participating don't actually know what it is they hope to accomplish, it's just "such a cool experience to be a part of history" and "down with corporations because I don't have a job" etc...)...but seeing this really disturbs me. I'm not sure where I stand, as I think it's definitely inappropriate for the students to have been repeatedly pepper sprayed at point blank range.
I'm not 100% sure what the laws were, but if the students were interfering with the operation of the university and it was against the law for them to stay, then I do believe they should have left, even have been made to left. But forcing them to leave in this fashion was wrong , very wrong and I cannot support it.
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On November 21 2011 15:46 Zirith wrote:
I am completely disgusted in the people that are fine with what transpired, people are trying to get their message across and then are sprayed with harmful chemicals. If you are coughing up blood for 45 min after being hit by the stuff then it is obviously excessive force and should be considered assault.
I disagree with how the occupy movement is trying to get shit done, it would be far more effective if they stormed government and demanded change instead of standing in random places wasting everyone's time.
Again, police serve the people, apparently American's are allowed to hold peaceful protests wherever they want, and all I ever see the police doing is forcibly removing protesters. Kind of makes you think.
Shouldn't have committed a crime and refused to cease their position when asked by police.
The fuck you think is going to happen when you're breaking the law and lock arms to avoid being detained?
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On November 21 2011 15:36 Eun_Star wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 15:29 Probulous wrote:On November 21 2011 15:22 Eun_Star wrote:On November 21 2011 13:52 FallDownMarigold wrote:
1) College is expensive, and some students rightfully want to go to class.
2) Students protesting on that pathway are blocking students from going to class.
3) Students won't move as requested; students are warned but don't move.
Result: Students are sprayed. Notice how the reason for which they were protesting isn't even important? It just matters that they were doing something totally and obviously wrong by loitering in a pathway, and they knew it too in order to prove a point. If they can't take the consequences they should think first.
That "pathway" runs along the middle of the quad surrounded by grass, and I can tell you this: these students did NOT block ANY students from going to class. The incident took place at around 3:30~4:00 and most students are already off campus. In fact, there's absolutely no reason to use this pathway to go to class. I'm a current student in UCD. It was completely unnecessary to use the pepper spray on these students. Suitemate of mine was arrested+walked out of the protest with a nerve damage in his left arm. He's an artist and we're heading towards the last 3 weeks of school (including finals), so I am quite worried about his condition that may directly affect his academics. Look, 81% increase in tuition is INSANE. I'll be out of here within 2 years and this increase probably won't affect me as much (at least for undergraduate studies), but I have a brother in high school who will be paying almost twice as much tuition when he attends college. My parents are already struggling with helping us (my sister and I) pay for our education. The situation could have been "better." We are simply outraged at HOW the police handled the situation. Please don't make wild assumptions and type out words/sentences that may offend those who are involved with the protests. We are trying to let our voices be heard. To my fellow UC Davis students, see you tomorrow at 12! I'll make sure to be there. This one will be big. Are the protesters more upset at the cops or the chancellor? To me this seems to be an issue with the administration. If this protest was as peaceful and non-disruptive as you say, what reason has the chancellor given for calling in the police. It just seems an unnecessary escalation. Now of course the protests take on a whole new meaning and are quite likely to increase rather than subside. Good luck! I'd say both. The Chancellor is held accountable for calling the "cops" and UC Davis Police Department did a poor job of handling the situation--as you have seen. Thank you all for your support! edit: The tuition increase is planned to rise by 81% by 2015-2016. I'd like to point out that tuition in 2005 was ~$5357. Currently it stands at ~$12,192 and according to the proposed plan, it will rise to ~$22,068. The OP is incorrect.
I will make that change.
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On November 21 2011 15:46 Zirith wrote:
I am completely disgusted in the people that are fine with what transpired, people are trying to get their message across and then are sprayed with harmful chemicals. If you are coughing up blood for 45 min after being hit by the stuff then it is obviously excessive force and should be considered assault.
I disagree with how the occupy movement is trying to get shit done, it would be far more effective if they stormed government and demanded change instead of standing in random places wasting everyone's time.
Again, police serve the people, apparently American's are allowed to hold peaceful protests wherever they want, and all I ever see the police doing is forcibly removing protesters. Kind of makes you think.
The location of protests is hardly random, I should think. The students at UC Davis are protesting tuition increases at UC Davis, the students at UC Berkeley are protesting tuition increases at UC Berkeley and the protesters at Wall Street are protesting big corporations. The government isn't their primary target.
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It's amazing that violence only happens when the police get involved. It never fails. Sure, there are some laws and rules being broken, but nothing that has warranted so much violence and abuse of power.
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I go to UCD, and I had class about 30 yards from the quad on the day in question. At about 1pm, ~200 people came screaming through Wellman hall chanting "WE ARE THE 99%". They opened every door on the floor, banging and yelling all the way through. As a paying student (who wasn't paying much attention to database class, but thats not the point) I was very annoyed at the lot of them. What do they think they're accomplishing by alienating the student base?
Anyway, just wanted to throw my two cents in for why they were asked to disperse. Apart from inadequate restroom facilities to house the campers, they were disturbing a lot of paying students. They were asked (multiple times the day before and the day of) to pack their stuff up, but they refused. The cops were called in, and the rest is history. Pepper spray seems like the easiest method honestly. If the cops tried to pull them apart forcefully, limbs could have easily been broken in the scuffle.
It was an unfortunate ending to the situation, but the protesters were definitely just out for their 15 minutes of fame to bring attention to their cause.
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On November 21 2011 15:59 ObliviousNA wrote:
I go to UCD, and I had class about 30 yards from the quad on the day in question. At about 1pm, ~200 people came screaming through Wellman hall chanting "WE ARE THE 99%". They opened every door on the floor, banging and yelling all the way through. As a paying student (who wasn't paying much attention to database class, but thats not the point) I was very annoyed at the lot of them. What do they think they're accomplishing by alienating the student base?
Anyway, just wanted to throw my two cents in for why they were asked to disperse. Apart from inadequate restroom facilities to house the campers, they were disturbing a lot of paying students. They were asked (multiple times the day before and the day of) to pack their stuff up, but they refused. The cops were called in, and the rest is history. Pepper spray seems like the easiest method honestly. If the cops tried to pull them apart forcefully, limbs could have easily been broken in the scuffle.
It was an unfortunate ending to the situation, but the protesters were definitely just out for their 15 minutes of fame to bring attention to their cause.
I really agree with most of what you said, including that last line especially. But the way it was handled by the police is inappropriate. Is it really appropriate that they were sprayed at point blank range over and over?
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On November 21 2011 15:47 stevarius wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 15:46 Zirith wrote:
I am completely disgusted in the people that are fine with what transpired, people are trying to get their message across and then are sprayed with harmful chemicals. If you are coughing up blood for 45 min after being hit by the stuff then it is obviously excessive force and should be considered assault.
I disagree with how the occupy movement is trying to get shit done, it would be far more effective if they stormed government and demanded change instead of standing in random places wasting everyone's time.
Again, police serve the people, apparently American's are allowed to hold peaceful protests wherever they want, and all I ever see the police doing is forcibly removing protesters. Kind of makes you think. Shouldn't have committed a crime and refused to cease their position when asked by police. The fuck you think is going to happen when you're breaking the law and lock arms to avoid being detained?
Clearly a bunch of unarmed 20 year olds should have expected to have pepper spray shot down their throats.
http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-9th-circuit/1332957.html
Here is an example of this happening before, and a case where support of the protestors was pretty much unanimous. I know you're trying to be edgy by disagreeing with everybody, but you're wrong on pretty much every level imaginable.
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