EPTAnti-Gay Slurs at BlizzCon concert? - Page 5
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Soulriser
United States192 Posts
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Brettatron
Canada159 Posts
But now this. You are ignorant. You scan over a thread and think you know everything about it. You don't bother to think about OTHER PEOPLE or what their situation may be. No, this is not about the use of the words cocksucker or some such. Words are words, we can all agree. What this is about is alienating a group of people. Maybe it is because this is a majority Starcraft forum but the amount of ignorance displayed here is mind boggleing. My beef is not with the word cocksucker. Not with the word gay. Not with the word faggot. My beef is for the frenzy these words, used in a certain manner can incite. It is NO secret that the horde outnumber the alliance. When you get some 25000 people together there starts to be a bit of a mob mentality. People scream and shout because others are screaming and shouting. When one person gets put on screen insulting the alliance with a stream of expletatives what do you think the rest of the horde-aligned people are going to do? Cheer, scream and insult, which is precisely what happened. Now, at Blizzcon there is no separation by faction or game or anything like that for the people there. This means that peppered throughout the crowed were alliance only people. I imagine these people knew it was a joke. But imagine this, a girl sitting with a couple of friends, wearing a moonglade t-shirt, who plays a night elf main. All of a sudden the ENTIRE CROWD is cheering about hatred for the alliance and yelling insults. Knowing a little about mob mentality, I imagine she might get a little scared, since the crowd is predominently male. Not insulted because someone went on screen and acted immature. Scared. Scared that the frenzy created might get out of hand. Again, the crowd was predominently male, aged 18-25. That demographic isn't known for always keeping a level head. THIS is the problem with what Blizzard did. They incited a frenzy with anti-alliance sentiments. This extends BEYOND the game. This is not "just a game" anymore. Now real people are feeling scared and alienated just for being there. Make no mistake, this is a real feeling. In atleast one case there was actual violence against a person simply for displaying alliance symbols: Example I believe there was another incident as well, but I do not have that link off hand. I have also heard anecdotes of people displaying alliance affiliation having random insults and jeers directed towards them. Ultimately, the above example was the fault of the two boys. But if Blizzard hadn't evoked such emotions with their video and cheering perhaps it would not have happened. Obviously the kids were running on adrenaline (I hope, I hate to think such delinquents are apart of our humble community). Perhaps if the frenzy weren't initiated they would have run around wooping about how awesome the foo fighters were instead. The offense is not from the guy from the video. He was immature and it was a bit ridiculous. The offence is from the fact that Blizzard did not stop to consider what this might cause. The lack of empathy shown makes me sick. You people make me sick. Cue the trolling, I have come to expect no less around here. #MartyrForTrolling. | ||
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Rostam
United States2552 Posts
On October 28 2011 11:54 ChiffonAngel wrote: When the posters in this thread can't make the connection that "using the worse language he could think of to insult his mortal enemies" means using socially accepted homophobic and anti-gay slurs, I'm at a loss. You're too privileged and sheltered and you'll never understand the impact they have. It's bad enough that these slurs are accepted in the gamer and internet cultures, but now you're trying to tell real life people how they should feel about these slurs. This is simply impossible. You haven't lived it, you lack the empathy or compassion to try to understand it and most of all, you don't want to. There's no point in continuing. This is the most condescending post I have ever read in my entire sheltered life. Congratulations. Now please explain why Blizzard should apologize because you decided to look up a Youtube video of a guy who was at Blizzcon. | ||
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PH
United States6173 Posts
Dont' take him seriously. | ||
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Ziktomini
United Kingdom377 Posts
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Viciousvx
United States83 Posts
"I'm not Offended, why should you." but it is good that people care enough to bring this to light, and have him and blizzard own up to their actions. | ||
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Artifice
United States523 Posts
PS Blizzcon was awesome. | ||
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Necro)Phagist(
Canada6660 Posts
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rocky13
Canada70 Posts
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sandg
Australia123 Posts
The only reason that blogger finds it offensive is because of traumatic past, what right does he have to tell other gay people how they should think when not many of them have the same reaction he does? Especially when we are talking about a fat troglodyte from the original joke death metal band? He really thinks anyone is taking him seriously? He should be targeting those hopefully few people who are taking him seriously (wow players as a whole aren't exactly the brightest bunch, and don't try to tell me otherwise, I used to be one of them). I don't ever use homophobic slurs in any language I use, not even online (as a gamer this might mean I'm in the minority, but in reality I am just following the lead of most of western society) specifically because of the damage it can do, as the blogger tragically points out, but I can still find the humour in it's comedic use, in the same way people see the comedic value of other offensive or racist words. I respect what that blogger is trying to do, in that hopefully it educates those out there who often use those terms as an insult on a regular basis, but this is comedy for god's sake, surely he could have some more legitimate targets to attack - I don't understand how getting the shit beaten through him by homophobic white trash relates to wow faction rivalry. | ||
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dangerjoe
Denmark1866 Posts
After his first outburst he even says: 'Im pathetic. When it comes to WoW Im a pathetic nerd!' I stopped caring about being offended after that.. People should stop being butthurt | ||
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Soulriser
United States192 Posts
On October 28 2011 12:06 rocky13 wrote: Blizzard should release an apology they didnt do anything, why should they apologize? | ||
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mptj
United States485 Posts
On October 28 2011 12:03 PH wrote: The guy is the front man for Cannibal Corpse...the epitome of bonehead death metal... Dont' take him seriously. | ||
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Sabu113
United States11075 Posts
I have a touch of sympathy for you. I don't like it when people use the word gay to describe things and I don't use it because for that specific word I think it's harder to blur the line between how a group is treated in general american society and the intent of the word. Still I rather not get rounded up by the Gestapo if I call someone a c*cksucker on ladder. + Show Spoiler + I appreciate the irony. On October 28 2011 12:10 dangerjoe wrote: People should stop being butthurt Tehhehe | ||
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TBone-
United States2309 Posts
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Rostam
United States2552 Posts
On October 28 2011 12:01 Brettatron wrote: + Show Spoiler + I've lost faith in this board. For months and months I've read fewer and fewer threads. Why? Because the quality is going down more and more. We all knew it would happen. But now this. You are ignorant. You scan over a thread and think you know everything about it. You don't bother to think about OTHER PEOPLE or what their situation may be. No, this is not about the use of the words cocksucker or some such. Words are words, we can all agree. What this is about is alienating a group of people. Maybe it is because this is a majority Starcraft forum but the amount of ignorance displayed here is mind boggleing. My beef is not with the word cocksucker. Not with the word gay. Not with the word faggot. My beef is for the frenzy these words, used in a certain manner can incite. It is NO secret that the horde outnumber the alliance. When you get some 25000 people together there starts to be a bit of a mob mentality. People scream and shout because others are screaming and shouting. When one person gets put on screen insulting the alliance with a stream of expletatives what do you think the rest of the horde-aligned people are going to do? Cheer, scream and insult, which is precisely what happened. Now, at Blizzcon there is no separation by faction or game or anything like that for the people there. This means that peppered throughout the crowed were alliance only people. I imagine these people knew it was a joke. But imagine this, a girl sitting with a couple of friends, wearing a moonglade t-shirt, who plays a night elf main. All of a sudden the ENTIRE CROWD is cheering about hatred for the alliance and yelling insults. Knowing a little about mob mentality, I imagine she might get a little scared, since the crowd is predominently male. Not insulted because someone went on screen and acted immature. Scared. Scared that the frenzy created might get out of hand. Again, the crowd was predominently male, aged 18-25. That demographic isn't known for always keeping a level head. THIS is the problem with what Blizzard did. They incited a frenzy with anti-alliance sentiments. This extends BEYOND the game. This is not "just a game" anymore. Now real people are feeling scared and alienated just for being there. Make no mistake, this is a real feeling. In atleast one case there was actual violence against a person simply for displaying alliance symbols: Example I believe there was another incident as well, but I do not have that link off hand. I have also heard anecdotes of people displaying alliance affiliation having random insults and jeers directed towards them. Ultimately, the above example was the fault of the two boys. But if Blizzard hadn't evoked such emotions with their video and cheering perhaps it would not have happened. Obviously the kids were running on adrenaline (I hope, I hate to think such delinquents are apart of our humble community). Perhaps if the frenzy weren't initiated they would have run around wooping about how awesome the foo fighters were instead. The offense is not from the guy from the video. He was immature and it was a bit ridiculous. The offence is from the fact that Blizzard did not stop to consider what this might cause. The lack of empathy shown makes me sick. You people make me sick. Cue the trolling, I have come to expect no less around here. #MartyrForTrolling I think you posted this in the wrong thread, seeing as the OP explicitly discussed his use of gay slurs and the rest of the thread has been simply adhering to that topic. Sorry if that makes you sick. | ||
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Half
United States2554 Posts
On October 28 2011 12:01 Brettatron wrote: I've lost faith in this board. For months and months I've read fewer and fewer threads. Why? Because the quality is going down more and more. We all knew it would happen. But now this. You are ignorant. You scan over a thread and think you know everything about it. You don't bother to think about OTHER PEOPLE or what their situation may be. No, this is not about the use of the words cocksucker or some such. Words are words, we can all agree. What this is about is alienating a group of people. Maybe it is because this is a majority Starcraft forum but the amount of ignorance displayed here is mind boggleing. My beef is not with the word cocksucker. Not with the word gay. Not with the word faggot. My beef is for the frenzy these words, used in a certain manner can incite. It is NO secret that the horde outnumber the alliance. When you get some 25000 people together there starts to be a bit of a mob mentality. People scream and shout because others are screaming and shouting. When one person gets put on screen insulting the alliance with a stream of expletatives what do you think the rest of the horde-aligned people are going to do? Cheer, scream and insult, which is precisely what happened. Now, at Blizzcon there is no separation by faction or game or anything like that for the people there. This means that peppered throughout the crowed were alliance only people. I imagine these people knew it was a joke. But imagine this, a girl sitting with a couple of friends, wearing a moonglade t-shirt, who plays a night elf main. All of a sudden the ENTIRE CROWD is cheering about hatred for the alliance and yelling insults. Knowing a little about mob mentality, I imagine she might get a little scared, since the crowd is predominently male. Not insulted because someone went on screen and acted immature. Scared. Scared that the frenzy created might get out of hand. Again, the crowd was predominently male, aged 18-25. That demographic isn't known for always keeping a level head. THIS is the problem with what Blizzard did. They incited a frenzy with anti-alliance sentiments. This extends BEYOND the game. This is not "just a game" anymore. Now real people are feeling scared and alienated just for being there. Make no mistake, this is a real feeling. In atleast one case there was actual violence against a person simply for displaying alliance symbols: Example I believe there was another incident as well, but I do not have that link off hand. I have also heard anecdotes of people displaying alliance affiliation having random insults and jeers directed towards them. Ultimately, the above example was the fault of the two boys. But if Blizzard hadn't evoked such emotions with their video and cheering perhaps it would not have happened. Obviously the kids were running on adrenaline (I hope, I hate to think such delinquents are apart of our humble community). Perhaps if the frenzy weren't initiated they would have run around wooping about how awesome the foo fighters were instead. The offense is not from the guy from the video. He was immature and it was a bit ridiculous. The offence is from the fact that Blizzard did not stop to consider what this might cause. The lack of empathy shown makes me sick. You people make me sick. Cue the trolling, I have come to expect no less around here. #MartyrForTrolling. And conversely, my apparent dislike for this kind of reaction has nothing to do with offended sensibilities, practical concerns, or equality. Rather, consider the alternative. You're advocating for something completely rediculous, that even more material that comes from blizzard is pre-santized by ridiculous suits working in corporate communications. I think we can all agree Sam made a bad decision, because hes a freaking human being, not just another cog in a gigantic corporate meshwork. So while anger is an appropriate response, it would yield a lot of negative consequences, because its completely misdirected. Think about how blizzard used to communicate with its community in 99 and how it communicates with them in 2011, through a giant barrier of PR. Do you want a more consolidated PR and corporate communication presence sanitizing everything at blizzard? Do you think thats collectively better for Starcraft 2 and Esports?. No, the only thing that's gonna do is kill what remains of human creativity left at blizz. just cuz Sam made a poor choice doesn't mean we should just eliminate it. If you look at the responses in this thread, I have a feeling most of them aren't coming from a position of indifference at LGBT rights. Most of them are coming from a hope that this one mishap shouldn't affect how things are handled by blizzard on the long term, because most of them prefer actual humans making the decisions. tl;dr This is why we cannot have nice things ;_;. edit: grammarz...to fucking tired to write. | ||
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Bonkarooni
United States383 Posts
On October 28 2011 10:50 chaoser wrote: The easiest way people excuse hateful language seeped in vitriol is by saying it's "just a joke". That not only tries to sidestep the issues being raised but also is an indirect way of saying "you're making a big deal out of nothing", effectively shutting down discussion. Right...but you ARE making a big deal out of nothing. That IS what hes saying....Why did you just point out the obvious? | ||
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Amlitzer
United States471 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + FOR THE HORDE  | ||
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my0s
United States193 Posts
That being said, do we really need so many gay orientated topics on TL? I mean I swear there is a new one every day or so, or even multiple threads per day. I dunno. Awareness and such is good, sure. But this is getting a little overboard with the PC everything mentality, not sure im such a fan of that. | ||
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