People are taking the alliance rivalry too damn far. It's just a fucking game. Blizzard should try to be neutral to both alliances but I get the feeling that they are too one sided (Horde)
BUT! fuck WoW
Well, reading that, it's evident that the speech that the guy made was in incredibly poor taste, but then again, Mike Morhaime issued an apology for it.
This is *one* person having the courage to once again try to explain why this isn't just "offensive" speech, but is hurtful. Try having some empathy for those who's lives have had to suffer from this kind of speech.
Pretty poor account of his life - pretty sure after being raped the word shouldn't cause affliction at that point.
On October 29 2011 03:26 RevThirteen wrote: Why the hell is the gay community offended? I could see why people who love Alliance would be but I cincerely cant see why anyone would be offended just because they're gay..
Yeah, what are gay people worried about? Being beaten, ostracized, abandoned by their parents, or even killed for their sexual orientation doesn't seem like a big deal. I mean look at what alliance has to deal with! Their racials are underpowered!
I'm with you. And he is totally allowed to find it offensive if he does. Nothing wrong with that. I have or rather had a friend (we don't hang out any more) that was molested repeatedly as a child. Do you know what she remembers from the whole experience? Not the name bitch or whore or any of those other things. She remembers the music that always played in the background. Even years later when those songs came on the radio, she would get uncomfortable or moody or in a word, offended. Didn't mean that other people couldn't listen to the same music. Didn't mean that if I happened to like that music that I was somehow pro rape. And before any of you guys come in here and tell me it's different because it isn't specifically calling out rape, the band was Nirvana and the song Rape Me specifically.
I saw the clip at Blizzcon and taken in context (with all the editing and framing it around the "this guy is REALLY passionate about loving the Horde") it never even occurred to me that anything was offensive - I just figured the metal guy was joking. The Horde/Alliance rivalry has just been like a harmless school rivalry - all in jest and fun (at least to me). It seems like everyone gets offended over everything because they can't take a joke, and this is coming from someone that usually empathizes with others when it comes to racism/sexism/etc. It seems to me people are starting to link the full clip of the guy to instigate more hate when it isn't even necessary. That dude doesn't represent Blizzard in the same way any of the wackos interviewed on the news represent the station.
On October 29 2011 06:02 swarmageddon wrote: I saw the clip at Blizzcon and taken in context (with all the editing and framing it around the "this guy is REALLY passionate about loving the Horde") it never even occurred to me that anything was offensive - I just figured the metal guy was joking.
Imagine your parents abandoned you for being gay when you were 14 years old. Imagine your best friend got killed for being gay. Prejudice hurts. Imagine that asshole saying "nigger" and "jew" instead of "homo" and "faggot" Would it still sound like a joke to you?
See, this is why gay people get discriminated. They make a big deal about anything that comes up, saying that they are being discriminated and offended. Same applies to black people making a big deal about the word nigger without taking context of the conversation in consideration.
You don't see Asian people making whine threads like these because they feel 'offended' You don't see Brazilian people making while threads like these because they are hated all around the Internet.
In the end, people that complain about discrimination like this are actually 'discriminating themselves' and showing to the world that they 'need' more attention.
The guy writes songs about raping vagina's with knives and people are upset because he called alliance players faggots. And the bottom line is he wasn't even talking about gay people.
On October 29 2011 06:02 swarmageddon wrote: I saw the clip at Blizzcon and taken in context (with all the editing and framing it around the "this guy is REALLY passionate about loving the Horde") it never even occurred to me that anything was offensive - I just figured the metal guy was joking.
Imagine your parents abandoned you for being gay when you were 14 years old. Imagine your best friend got killed for being gay. Prejudice hurts. Imagine that asshole saying "nigger" and "jew" instead of "homo" and "faggot" Would it still sound like a joke to you?
Imagine he said JOYEAUX IS A FAGGOT EVERYONE GO KILL HIM!
Imagine he said ALL YOUR NAZIS OUT THERE HOLLA AND GAS THE PERSON NEXT TO YOU!
Imagine he said EVERYONE GO KILL A BLACK GUY
Imagine he said something he didn't say! Then use that against him too!
On October 29 2011 06:20 Hoon wrote: In the end, people that complain about discrimination like this are actually 'discriminating themselves' and showing to the world that they 'need' more attention.
This perfect world you are talking about, where discrimination doesn't happen, where complaining about discrimination is either mistaken or disingenuous, does not exist.
I'd love to live in your perfect world where prejudice is a non-issue, but in the real world we have gay kids getting abandoned in the streets and murdered for who they are.
Proactively changing attitudes is the fastest way to stop that.
On October 29 2011 06:28 IMABUNNEH wrote: Imagine he said something he didn't say! Then use that against him too!
The point is a racial epithet shares the same problems as one based on sexual orientation. When we don't point the problem out, the message is that hatred is ok.
Wow people really get offended by this? I mean really? He doesn't sound like a really intelligent guy but it was a pretty funny rant from a redneck dude just having fun.
On October 29 2011 06:23 Galactus52 wrote: The guy writes songs about raping vagina's with knives and people are upset because he called alliance players faggots. And the bottom line is he wasn't even talking about gay people.
I love drama whores
The issue isn't how corpsegrinder personally feels about gay people. The issue is that if a company like blizzard plays a video where a guy insults them by calling them "faggots" and everyone goes along with that like it's ok, it sends a message.
Gay children are vulnerable for a number of reasons, I will not make that worse by behaving as if despising people for their sexual orientation is acceptable.
I'm a pretty big supporter of gay rights and I personally think GLAAD and other organizations probably have better things to be mad about and bigger fights to fight but this was a huge blunder on the part of Blizzard. A corporation that big with as many different customers as they have need to stay PC, they can't pull shit like this again or it's gonna look really bad.
On October 28 2011 10:48 ddrddrddrddr wrote: The guy's expressing how hard core he is with his faction. Blizzard wasn't endorsing their views or their message, they just want to show how vehement they are about their game. If you choose to interpret it as anything actually concerning homosexuality, feel free. They more likely used the term only as derogatory terms and at most as a term to mean cravenly and not in their actual meaning of homosexuality. Replace whatever word that pissed you off with fucking and you have the same exact meaning in the right context.
Yeah. He shouldn't have said it in anticipation of the shitstorm, but the intent, in itself, seems to have been far from malicious.
On October 29 2011 06:02 swarmageddon wrote: I saw the clip at Blizzcon and taken in context (with all the editing and framing it around the "this guy is REALLY passionate about loving the Horde") it never even occurred to me that anything was offensive - I just figured the metal guy was joking.
Imagine your parents abandoned you for being gay when you were 14 years old. Imagine your best friend got killed for being gay. Prejudice hurts. Imagine that asshole saying "nigger" and "jew" instead of "homo" and "faggot" Would it still sound like a joke to you?
He would still sound like an asshole, being an asshole; regardless of the words he used. But I still wouldn't take him as being anti-black or antisemitic, just as I didn't take him as being anti-gay. He wasn't being prejudicial as far as I'm aware, just as you (presumably) aren't being prejudicial when you equate his words with the abandonment and murder of teenagers. He isn't fostering an attitude of hate, nor was he encouraging hateful acts (although apparently his partiality to a particular WoW sect is equally as egregious as his apparent anti-gayness). Of course, I find him vulgar and for that reason can't understand why Blizzard showed the video... But that's his choice, given he has freedom of speech and I don't have the right not to be offended (as I shouldn't have).
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