EPTAnti-Gay Slurs at BlizzCon concert? - Page 6
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Soulriser
United States192 Posts
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Disarray
United States1164 Posts
pretty much sums up my view of this entire incident. seriously calm down, he wasn't being anti-gay, he was just being rude. | ||
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ChiffonAngel
43 Posts
On October 28 2011 12:20 Disarray wrote: surprised nobody's posted this yet but http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IFloXOuLgA pretty much sums up my view of this entire incident. seriously calm down, he wasn't being anti-gay, he was just being rude. | ||
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Brettatron
Canada159 Posts
On October 28 2011 12:12 Half wrote: And conversely, my apparently dislike for this kind of reaction has nothing to do with offended sensibilities, practical concerns, or equality. Rather, consider the alternative. You're advocating for something completely rediculous, that even more material that comes from blizzard is pre-santized by ridiculous suits working in corporate communications. I think we can all agree Sam made a bad decision, because hes a freaking human being, not just another cog in a gigantic corporate meshwork. So while anger is an appropriate response, it would yield a lot of negative consequences, because its completely misdirected. Think about how blizzard used to communicate with its community in 99 and how it communicates with them in 2011, through a giant barrier of PR. Do you want a more consolidated PR and corporate communication presence sanitizing everything at blizzard? Do you think thats collectively better for the Starcraft and Esport. No, the only thing that's gonna do is kill what remains of human creativity left at blizz. just cuz Sam made a poor choice doesn't mean we should just eliminate it. If you look at the responses in this thread, I have a feeling most of them aren't coming from a position of indifference at LGBT rights. Most of them are coming from a hope that this one mishap shouldn't affect how things are handled by blizzard on the long term, because most of them prefer actual humans making the decisions. tl;dr This is why we cannot have nice things ;_;. I would not say that I am "advocating... that even more material that comes from blizzard is pre-santized by ridiculous suits working in corporate communications." I am simply hoping that blizzard will recognize what they did for what it is. That is, not apologize for the language, but for the fear and emotions it caused. Samwise is, and will continue to be, my favorite artist, not just within gaming. I empathize that he is human and made a mistake. I hope HE realizes that and the consequences of it and takes measures not to make it again. Edit: clarity. | ||
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
That is, not apologize for the language, but for the fear and emotions it caused. But it's Corpsegrinder's job to cause fear. | ||
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Gary Oak
Canada2381 Posts
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Brettatron
Canada159 Posts
Certainly (or maybe not, I don't know about them). However, if one wanted to be scared they could go to their show. This cameo was never announced and was unexpected. That is the difference between this and a Corpsegrinder show. Or a CK Lewis act. You EXPECT and PREPARE for that sort of things when you go to the shows. This was sprung upon us. | ||
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FuTon
United States308 Posts
Dear members of the Blizzard community, I have read your feedback and comments about this year’s BlizzCon, and I have also read the feedback to the apology from Level 90 Elite Tauren Chieftain. I’d like to respond to some of your feedback here. As president of Blizzard, I take full responsibility for everything that occurs at BlizzCon. It was shortsighted and insensitive to use the video at all, even in censored form. The language used in the original version, including the slurs and use of sexual orientation as an insult, is not acceptable, period. We realize now that having even an edited version at the show was counter to the standards we try to maintain in our forums and in our games. Doing so was an error in judgment, and we regret it. The bottom line is we deeply apologize for our mistakes and for hurting or offending anyone. We want you to have fun at our events, and we want everyone to feel welcome. We’re proud to be part of a huge and diverse community, and I am proud that so many aspects of the community are represented within Blizzard itself. As a leader of Blizzard, and a member of the band, I truly hope you will accept my humblest apology. – Mike Morhaime President, Blizzard Entertainment Source : WoW forum | ||
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Half
United States2554 Posts
On October 28 2011 12:22 Brettatron wrote: I am simply hoping that blizzard will recognize what they did for what it is. That is, not apologize for the language, but for the fear and emotions it caused. uh...wish granted :p | ||
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eccokk
Germany38 Posts
after all those are the biggest problems of todays world and i am OFFENDED and demand an apollogy from everyone. | ||
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Sovern
United States312 Posts
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Supert0fu
United States499 Posts
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suspiciousbear
Canada112 Posts
On October 28 2011 12:01 Brettatron wrote: I've lost faith in this board. For months and months I've read fewer and fewer threads. Why? Because the quality is going down more and more. We all knew it would happen. But now this. You are ignorant. You scan over a thread and think you know everything about it. You don't bother to think about OTHER PEOPLE or what their situation may be. No, this is not about the use of the words cocksucker or some such. Words are words, we can all agree. What this is about is alienating a group of people. Maybe it is because this is a majority Starcraft forum but the amount of ignorance displayed here is mind boggleing. My beef is not with the word cocksucker. Not with the word gay. Not with the word faggot. My beef is for the frenzy these words, used in a certain manner can incite. It is NO secret that the horde outnumber the alliance. When you get some 25000 people together there starts to be a bit of a mob mentality. People scream and shout because others are screaming and shouting. When one person gets put on screen insulting the alliance with a stream of expletatives what do you think the rest of the horde-aligned people are going to do? Cheer, scream and insult, which is precisely what happened. Now, at Blizzcon there is no separation by faction or game or anything like that for the people there. This means that peppered throughout the crowed were alliance only people. I imagine these people knew it was a joke. But imagine this, a girl sitting with a couple of friends, wearing a moonglade t-shirt, who plays a night elf main. All of a sudden the ENTIRE CROWD is cheering about hatred for the alliance and yelling insults. Knowing a little about mob mentality, I imagine she might get a little scared, since the crowd is predominently male. Not insulted because someone went on screen and acted immature. Scared. Scared that the frenzy created might get out of hand. Again, the crowd was predominently male, aged 18-25. That demographic isn't known for always keeping a level head. THIS is the problem with what Blizzard did. They incited a frenzy with anti-alliance sentiments. This extends BEYOND the game. This is not "just a game" anymore. Now real people are feeling scared and alienated just for being there. Make no mistake, this is a real feeling. In atleast one case there was actual violence against a person simply for displaying alliance symbols: Example I believe there was another incident as well, but I do not have that link off hand. I have also heard anecdotes of people displaying alliance affiliation having random insults and jeers directed towards them. Ultimately, the above example was the fault of the two boys. But if Blizzard hadn't evoked such emotions with their video and cheering perhaps it would not have happened. Obviously the kids were running on adrenaline (I hope, I hate to think such delinquents are apart of our humble community). Perhaps if the frenzy weren't initiated they would have run around wooping about how awesome the foo fighters were instead. The offense is not from the guy from the video. He was immature and it was a bit ridiculous. The offence is from the fact that Blizzard did not stop to consider what this might cause. The lack of empathy shown makes me sick. You people make me sick. Cue the trolling, I have come to expect no less around here. #MartyrForTrolling. My thoughts exactly. The man in the video basically started an uproar from one group of people against another by being aggressively and passionately for the horde and against the alliance. It doesn't matter that it's a video game which causes these distinctions between people, the brutish, emotional call uniting any group of people for one cause incites a mob. The enthusiasm the horde player's manifesto incited literally makes the crowd more primitive, more violent and less socially responsible. They lose their ability to judge the ethical implications of their actions and the potential for chaos occurs. It was a dangerous scenario which should be avoided at all costs. Even though nothing serious went down, the uneasiness and fear that the horde mob probably caused in the alliance players there is simply unacceptable, everyone there should have been able to feel safe and comfortable in their environment. | ||
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theBizness
United States696 Posts
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Brettatron
Canada159 Posts
Apparently! It seems like a sincere apology indeed. By stating that he wants "everyone to feel welcome" I think he understands, or atleast has a idea of, what the actual problem is. Now its just the trolls on these boards I have to direct my anger at. Which might be more infuriating anyways. | ||
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shoJu
Sweden30 Posts
On October 28 2011 12:20 Disarray wrote: surprised nobody's posted this yet but http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IFloXOuLgA pretty much sums up my view of this entire incident. seriously calm down, he wasn't being anti-gay, he was just being rude. I'm bisexual and this is pretty much my view on it aswell. It bothers me a lot more when people nag on and on about if something is politically correct or not. Stop being so fucking afraid about what's "Okay" to say and just say what's on your mind (with some moderation ofc). Hell, I often say fittneger (swedish for cunt-nigger) when I get frustrated. It has brought me some rather strange looks sure, but it's just words of frustration it dosent mean I suddenly spotted a strange afroamerican-womb abomination somwhere nor that I am racist, sexist or anything of the sort. tl;dr why so serious? | ||
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Ace.Xile
United States286 Posts
On October 28 2011 10:50 chaoser wrote: The easiest way people excuse hateful language seeped in vitriol is by saying it's "just a joke". That not only tries to sidestep the issues being raised but also is an indirect way of saying "you're making a big deal out of nothing", effectively shutting down discussion. It is the case though, everyday some people try to push the world to be more unnecessarily olitically correct, it keeps going and going and going and it seems just beyond stupid to me, as to where we can't make jokes for the sake of a joke without someone screaming about it.People take this world way too seriously at times. | ||
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actionbastrd
Congo598 Posts
Like, i dunno, i get the feeling most people who are acting out against this apparent comical rant aren't even the ones who are gay. Things like that happen so much. People getting offended and upset when they weren't even the target. Oh noes, he said something bad. Oh well. If it was an obvious joke then seriously let it go and move on. More important things in every ones lives are going on than 1 guy who said something not politically correct at blizzcon. :-/ ppl joke around, even with offensive language. Its just what happens. There is a line you shouldnt cross, and a rant about alliance and using offensive terms is not really crossing that line unless he is dead serious about hating gays. I mean, common. Anyone seen the south park episode called The F word? Yeah, times change. Also if your upset that they were insulting the alliance and might have offended or scared some alliance only wow players well honestly, thats just something that happens in humanity. You cant get away from it anywhere. Sure shouting insults about a certain faction is a video game at a place like that can be "wrong." and sure people probably did cross the line in that case. If anything that should be a security at the functions job to control, but it happens with everything. A starting band gets on stage and most of the crowd doesnt like them.... They get spit on and yelled at. It happens everywhere. Is it the cool thing to do? no. Can you really blame blizzard? not really.. its hard to control that many people. People are assholes. i still dont see why theres any reason to rage at blizzard about it. Meh. | ||
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Kuja
United States1759 Posts
btw, fuck alliance | ||
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ProBaller
United States33 Posts
On October 28 2011 10:52 jester- wrote: First world problems. Was not offended and realized the comedy... Sometimes it's better to just take things with a grain of salt and relax. quoted for fucking truth. People always have to get offended about something right? If people aren't whining about something they will find something. On a serious note, cmon guys. If you get that upset over Corpsegrinder using some naughty words then I think a nap and some time away from the internet is good for you. Also,juice boxes. | ||
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