Anti-Gay Slurs at BlizzCon concert? - Page 8
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McKTenor13
United States1383 Posts
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Tantin
United States23 Posts
On October 28 2011 13:26 BoX wrote: Except that the guy on stage didn't call any individual a cocksucker. He called an entire group of people cocksuckers. ...Right, which is to say it's alright if you call all members of a group a slur of some sort, it's okay, because it's not on a personal, case by case basis? | ||
Brettatron
Canada159 Posts
On October 28 2011 13:35 McKTenor13 wrote: Stop being offended by things. Seriously it creates more problems than if people just let it be This... This makes me very very sad to see. Very sad. =( Ponder a moment on the implications of this please. | ||
DeadCell
Canada256 Posts
On October 28 2011 13:09 Alpino wrote: As a Cannibal Corpse fan I can attest that Corpsegrinder said all in good fun, don't take it seriously. Exactly. I'm sure he didn't mean to offend anyone he was just messing around. He's such a nice fella I had the honor of getting his autograph twice. First time was at burger king after a vancouver show, he was quite the funny guy. | ||
taLbuk
Madagascar1879 Posts
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BoX
United States214 Posts
I was not there so I can't really comment on whether or not someone might've gotten scared in the crowd. Maybe some people did get scared. Hell, you know what, you're probably right. I think that those people have learned not to expose themselves to such a situation in the future. Nobody died, right? Do you suppose that there should be a disclaimer or a sign at the entrance to this general area that says "People may become excited and cheer. If this alarms you, please stay to the outer perimeter where you can exit the premises if deemed necessary" I don't think it's okay to dumb down events so that the feeble minded individuals feel safe. I think I should excuse myself from this discussion though. I took the training wheels off my bike pretty early in life. Also, I'd crush any individual member of the Alliance whom I saw trembling in fear or standing in a puddle of urine. | ||
Brettatron
Canada159 Posts
On October 28 2011 13:39 BoX wrote: I was going to ask you if you're serious.. But I think that you're being serious. I was not there so I can't really comment on whether or not someone might've gotten scared in the crowd. Maybe some people did get scared. Hell, you know what, you're probably right. I think that those people have learned not to expose themselves to such a situation in the future. Nobody died, right? Do you suppose that there should be a disclaimer or a sign at the entrance to this general area that says "People may become excited and cheer. If this alarms you, please stay to the outer perimeter where you can exit the premises if deemed necessary" I don't think it's okay to dumb down events so that the feeble minded individuals feel safe. I think I should excuse myself from this discussion though. I took the training wheels off my bike pretty early in life. Also, I'd crush any individual member of the Alliance whom I saw trembling in fear or standing in a puddle of urine. A woman was assaulted. Does she have to die before you see the problem? | ||
Carthac
United States393 Posts
This is being blown completely out of proportion | ||
nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
On October 28 2011 13:40 Carthac wrote: At blizzcon, there was no one in the audience that took that as him being homophobic, he just really dislikes the Alliance in WoW. This is being blown completely out of proportion welcome to TL good sir. | ||
hp.Shell
United States2527 Posts
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furymonkey
New Zealand1587 Posts
It's like saying "omg, i'd be gay for him" as if imply that they'd be abnormal for someone, and that must be anti-gay. Yea it's very far stretched and it's exactly what this story about. | ||
McKTenor13
United States1383 Posts
On October 28 2011 13:36 Brettatron wrote: This... This makes me very very sad to see. Very sad. =( Ponder a moment on the implications of this please. I guess I should've worded it better, but this is being blown way out of proportion. He was ripping on the Alliance. Not gay people. I have gay friends, I support them, and they would be sad to see people freaking out about this and would agree with me. People really need to stop hearing the word homo or gay once and immediately think they are making fun of gay people. It's sad =/ | ||
Critter
United States196 Posts
On October 28 2011 13:40 Brettatron wrote: A woman was assaulted. Does she have to die before you see the problem? The problem is (if that happened, I've only seen the forum post as evidence... and we all know how reliable forums are) that two guys were being assholes. It's a crime, literally, and they should be punished accordingly but in no way do I see that as being the fault of Blizzard, L90ETC, or that other guy (Corpsegrinder?). You said you were there, do you deny that the Alliance was cheering even louder after all that? The video did what it was supposed to do, got the fans excited to show pride in the their faction and game. Also Box, I love the disclaimer =D | ||
Brettatron
Canada159 Posts
On October 28 2011 13:50 McKTenor13 wrote: I guess I should've worded it better, but this is being blown way out of proportion. He was ripping on the Alliance. Not gay people. I have gay friends, I support them, and they would be sad to see people freaking out about this and would agree with me. People really need to stop hearing the word homo or gay once and immediately think they are making fun of gay people. It's sad =/ I invite you to read my original post. I believe it was the second one of page 5. I agree, he was ripping on the alliance. The big problem here isn't his verbage. | ||
Soulriser
United States192 Posts
On October 28 2011 13:36 Brettatron wrote: This... This makes me very very sad to see. Very sad. =( Ponder a moment on the implications of this please. it makes me very sad that people cant take a joke :/ and that my freedom of speech is hindering because people get offended about shit that isnt aimed at insulting or harming them. =( | ||
PrideNeverDie
United States319 Posts
On October 28 2011 13:35 Tantin wrote: ...Right, which is to say it's alright if you call all members of a group a slur of some sort, it's okay, because it's not on a personal, case by case basis? comedians do it all the time and people pay to see them do it live and then laugh and have a good time. imagine if the situation did not involve the issue of homosexuality. would you have this same reaction if the thread was titled "Anti-alliance slurs at Blizzcon?" would you be outraged that a Horde player insulted all Alliance players? | ||
sc14s
United States5052 Posts
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Champi
1422 Posts
not worth such a debate imo, after reading the b.net thread tho, its a little concerning about some of the things that were said about alliance hate elsewhere, but its a WoW issue, not an sc2 issue. just hope they can work that issue out themselves, and quickly | ||
suspiciousbear
Canada112 Posts
On October 28 2011 13:14 Critter wrote: I'm guessing by "the uneasiness and fear that the horde mob probably caused in the alliance players" that you probably weren't there. I was, and back when I played WoW (left just before Cata was released) I was Alliance. There was no fear in that room, the atmosphere was electric, excited, and fun... that's about it. Having an anti-Alliance band on the stage was what finally made me cheer and show some faction pride, and anyone there will tell you that after that video, the Alliance cheers were even louder than before. Point being, it wasn't this fear filled/nearly rioting mass of angry people, it was a bunch of nerds cheering for their faction (on both sides). This wasn't a protest, or a hate speech, or anywhere near a 'dangerous situation.' It was a damn nerd convention where 26,000 people got together to support the games/company we love. It wasn't a divisive convention... quite the opposite! Seeing the passion everyone had for their respective games/factions/races/etc made my buddy who went with me pick up WoW again. Well, maybe you weren't scared or uncomfortable, but some people were. I believe the exact quotation was "fuck the alliance, fucking die you fucking emo cocksuckers" to which there were emphatic cheers. So in essence, the crowd irrationally AND emphatically agreed with that man's sentiments. That's a mob mentality. You can't tell me that that sort of reaction to that sort of statement is rational. No right-minded individual would cheer at that kind of statement were it not for the mob mentality. So, proven to be in an irrational and emotional state, the crowd therefore has the potential to be dangerous, as they're acting without conscience. That's not a good place for a crowd to be when there is a large group of people (alliance fans) that are potential targets for the mob's rage. I'm not saying that this is the end of the world, all I'm saying is MAYBE it isn't the best idea to have hate speech to incite the crowd when the target of said hate speech is in attendance. | ||
Brettatron
Canada159 Posts
On October 28 2011 13:50 Critter wrote: The problem is (if that happened, I've only seen the forum post as evidence... and we all know how reliable forums are) that two guys were being assholes. It's a crime, literally, and they should be punished accordingly but in no way do I see that as being the fault of Blizzard, L90ETC, or that other guy (Corpsegrinder?). You said you were there, do you deny that the Alliance was cheering even louder after all that? The video did what it was supposed to do, got the fans excited to show pride in the their faction and game. Also Box, I love the disclaimer =D Sure, it might not have happened. But maybe it did. But since it might not of we should ignore the issues it raises, right? I don't deny that the Alliance was cheering louder. Certainly the other 20-something males who played Alliance exclusively did not fear the situation. As I have stated, probably most people didn't. Now, the two guys were being assholes, absolutely. Probably running on adrenaline, the show and the atmosphere were INCREDIBLY electric. It would get the blood flowing in anyone. I was certainly pumped. People do stupid stuff when they are running on adrenaline. Scientific fact. If it hadn't been put in their head to hate the alliance though, perhaps they would have done something else stupid, but not hurtful. Run around screaming and waking people up... I don't know. | ||
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