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McKTenor13
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1383 Posts
October 28 2011 04:35 GMT
#141
Stop being offended by things. Seriously it creates more problems than if people just let it be
If you can chill. chill. - Liquid'Tyler
Tantin
Profile Joined February 2008
United States23 Posts
October 28 2011 04:35 GMT
#142
On October 28 2011 13:26 BoX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2011 13:22 Brettatron wrote:
It's not hard to think that someone might have felt uncomfortable after some 15000 people just cheered when a guy on screen called you a cocksucker.


Except that the guy on stage didn't call any individual a cocksucker. He called an entire group of people cocksuckers.


...Right, which is to say it's alright if you call all members of a group a slur of some sort, it's okay, because it's not on a personal, case by case basis?
Brettatron
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada159 Posts
October 28 2011 04:36 GMT
#143
On October 28 2011 13:35 McKTenor13 wrote:
Stop being offended by things. Seriously it creates more problems than if people just let it be



This... This makes me very very sad to see. Very sad. =(

Ponder a moment on the implications of this please.
DeadCell
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada256 Posts
October 28 2011 04:37 GMT
#144
On October 28 2011 13:09 Alpino wrote:
As a Cannibal Corpse fan I can attest that Corpsegrinder said all in good fun, don't take it seriously.


Exactly.

I'm sure he didn't mean to offend anyone he was just messing around. He's such a nice fella I had the honor of getting his autograph twice. First time was at burger king after a vancouver show, he was quite the funny guy.
If it comes down to you or them, send flowers.
taLbuk
Profile Joined April 2010
Madagascar1879 Posts
October 28 2011 04:38 GMT
#145
it's not like he said anything on stage, what he said was in the video, which was from 3 years ago and had nothing to do with blizzard other than someone asking him about what he thinks of world of warcraft, in which he responded with the hilarious 3 minutes about how he hates gnomes. cant beleive people making a big deal out of this
BoX
Profile Joined July 2003
United States214 Posts
October 28 2011 04:39 GMT
#146
I was going to ask you if you're serious.. But I think that you're being serious.

I was not there so I can't really comment on whether or not someone might've gotten scared in the crowd. Maybe some people did get scared. Hell, you know what, you're probably right. I think that those people have learned not to expose themselves to such a situation in the future. Nobody died, right?

Do you suppose that there should be a disclaimer or a sign at the entrance to this general area that says "People may become excited and cheer. If this alarms you, please stay to the outer perimeter where you can exit the premises if deemed necessary"

I don't think it's okay to dumb down events so that the feeble minded individuals feel safe. I think I should excuse myself from this discussion though. I took the training wheels off my bike pretty early in life. Also, I'd crush any individual member of the Alliance whom I saw trembling in fear or standing in a puddle of urine.
Brettatron
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada159 Posts
October 28 2011 04:40 GMT
#147
On October 28 2011 13:39 BoX wrote:
I was going to ask you if you're serious.. But I think that you're being serious.

I was not there so I can't really comment on whether or not someone might've gotten scared in the crowd. Maybe some people did get scared. Hell, you know what, you're probably right. I think that those people have learned not to expose themselves to such a situation in the future. Nobody died, right?

Do you suppose that there should be a disclaimer or a sign at the entrance to this general area that says "People may become excited and cheer. If this alarms you, please stay to the outer perimeter where you can exit the premises if deemed necessary"

I don't think it's okay to dumb down events so that the feeble minded individuals feel safe. I think I should excuse myself from this discussion though. I took the training wheels off my bike pretty early in life. Also, I'd crush any individual member of the Alliance whom I saw trembling in fear or standing in a puddle of urine.


A woman was assaulted. Does she have to die before you see the problem?
Carthac
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States393 Posts
October 28 2011 04:40 GMT
#148
At blizzcon, there was no one in the audience that took that as him being homophobic, he just really dislikes the Alliance in WoW.

This is being blown completely out of proportion
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
October 28 2011 04:44 GMT
#149
On October 28 2011 13:40 Carthac wrote:
At blizzcon, there was no one in the audience that took that as him being homophobic, he just really dislikes the Alliance in WoW.

This is being blown completely out of proportion


welcome to TL good sir.
hp.Shell
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2527 Posts
October 28 2011 04:47 GMT
#150
lol, Cannibal Corpse's lyrics are worse. Doesn't make them bad people. It's mostly for fun, not to incite hate.
Please PM me with any songs you like that you think I haven't heard before!
furymonkey
Profile Joined December 2008
New Zealand1587 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-28 04:54:22
October 28 2011 04:47 GMT
#151
Some people just being butt hurt, basically they just pick out stuff out of context and ignore the rest.

It's like saying "omg, i'd be gay for him" as if imply that they'd be abnormal for someone, and that must be anti-gay. Yea it's very far stretched and it's exactly what this story about.
Leenock the Punisher
McKTenor13
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1383 Posts
October 28 2011 04:50 GMT
#152
On October 28 2011 13:36 Brettatron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2011 13:35 McKTenor13 wrote:
Stop being offended by things. Seriously it creates more problems than if people just let it be



This... This makes me very very sad to see. Very sad. =(

Ponder a moment on the implications of this please.


I guess I should've worded it better, but this is being blown way out of proportion. He was ripping on the Alliance. Not gay people. I have gay friends, I support them, and they would be sad to see people freaking out about this and would agree with me. People really need to stop hearing the word homo or gay once and immediately think they are making fun of gay people. It's sad =/
If you can chill. chill. - Liquid'Tyler
Critter
Profile Joined January 2011
United States196 Posts
October 28 2011 04:50 GMT
#153
On October 28 2011 13:40 Brettatron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2011 13:39 BoX wrote:
I was going to ask you if you're serious.. But I think that you're being serious.

I was not there so I can't really comment on whether or not someone might've gotten scared in the crowd. Maybe some people did get scared. Hell, you know what, you're probably right. I think that those people have learned not to expose themselves to such a situation in the future. Nobody died, right?

Do you suppose that there should be a disclaimer or a sign at the entrance to this general area that says "People may become excited and cheer. If this alarms you, please stay to the outer perimeter where you can exit the premises if deemed necessary"

I don't think it's okay to dumb down events so that the feeble minded individuals feel safe. I think I should excuse myself from this discussion though. I took the training wheels off my bike pretty early in life. Also, I'd crush any individual member of the Alliance whom I saw trembling in fear or standing in a puddle of urine.


A woman was assaulted. Does she have to die before you see the problem?


The problem is (if that happened, I've only seen the forum post as evidence... and we all know how reliable forums are) that two guys were being assholes. It's a crime, literally, and they should be punished accordingly but in no way do I see that as being the fault of Blizzard, L90ETC, or that other guy (Corpsegrinder?).

You said you were there, do you deny that the Alliance was cheering even louder after all that? The video did what it was supposed to do, got the fans excited to show pride in the their faction and game.

Also Box, I love the disclaimer =D
Brettatron
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada159 Posts
October 28 2011 04:51 GMT
#154
On October 28 2011 13:50 McKTenor13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2011 13:36 Brettatron wrote:
On October 28 2011 13:35 McKTenor13 wrote:
Stop being offended by things. Seriously it creates more problems than if people just let it be



This... This makes me very very sad to see. Very sad. =(

Ponder a moment on the implications of this please.


I guess I should've worded it better, but this is being blown way out of proportion. He was ripping on the Alliance. Not gay people. I have gay friends, I support them, and they would be sad to see people freaking out about this and would agree with me. People really need to stop hearing the word homo or gay once and immediately think they are making fun of gay people. It's sad =/


I invite you to read my original post. I believe it was the second one of page 5. I agree, he was ripping on the alliance. The big problem here isn't his verbage.
Soulriser
Profile Joined July 2011
United States192 Posts
October 28 2011 04:52 GMT
#155
On October 28 2011 13:36 Brettatron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2011 13:35 McKTenor13 wrote:
Stop being offended by things. Seriously it creates more problems than if people just let it be



This... This makes me very very sad to see. Very sad. =(

Ponder a moment on the implications of this please.


it makes me very sad that people cant take a joke :/ and that my freedom of speech is hindering because people get offended about shit that isnt aimed at insulting or harming them. =(
PrideNeverDie
Profile Joined November 2010
United States319 Posts
October 28 2011 04:52 GMT
#156
On October 28 2011 13:35 Tantin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2011 13:26 BoX wrote:
On October 28 2011 13:22 Brettatron wrote:
It's not hard to think that someone might have felt uncomfortable after some 15000 people just cheered when a guy on screen called you a cocksucker.


Except that the guy on stage didn't call any individual a cocksucker. He called an entire group of people cocksuckers.


...Right, which is to say it's alright if you call all members of a group a slur of some sort, it's okay, because it's not on a personal, case by case basis?


comedians do it all the time and people pay to see them do it live and then laugh and have a good time.

imagine if the situation did not involve the issue of homosexuality. would you have this same reaction if the thread was titled "Anti-alliance slurs at Blizzcon?" would you be outraged that a Horde player insulted all Alliance players?
If you want it bad enough you will find a way; If you don't, you will find an excuse
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
October 28 2011 04:54 GMT
#157
it REALLY irritates me when people extrapolate things like this. Its a complete load of crap to say that blizzard supports what he sais.
Champi
Profile Joined March 2010
1422 Posts
October 28 2011 04:56 GMT
#158
No one with the slightest common sense or a fraction of humour would get offended by that, I feel that the OP title was misleading as there was nothing homophobic about what he said, he was just passionately joking about which side he played his video game on.

not worth such a debate imo, after reading the b.net thread tho, its a little concerning about some of the things that were said about alliance hate elsewhere, but its a WoW issue, not an sc2 issue. just hope they can work that issue out themselves, and quickly
suspiciousbear
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada112 Posts
October 28 2011 04:57 GMT
#159
On October 28 2011 13:14 Critter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2011 12:34 suspiciousbear wrote:
On October 28 2011 12:01 Brettatron wrote:
I've lost faith in this board. For months and months I've read fewer and fewer threads. Why? Because the quality is going down more and more. We all knew it would happen.

But now this. You are ignorant. You scan over a thread and think you know everything about it. You don't bother to think about OTHER PEOPLE or what their situation may be. No, this is not about the use of the words cocksucker or some such. Words are words, we can all agree. What this is about is alienating a group of people. Maybe it is because this is a majority Starcraft forum but the amount of ignorance displayed here is mind boggleing.

My beef is not with the word cocksucker. Not with the word gay. Not with the word faggot. My beef is for the frenzy these words, used in a certain manner can incite. It is NO secret that the horde outnumber the alliance. When you get some 25000 people together there starts to be a bit of a mob mentality. People scream and shout because others are screaming and shouting. When one person gets put on screen insulting the alliance with a stream of expletatives what do you think the rest of the horde-aligned people are going to do? Cheer, scream and insult, which is precisely what happened.

Now, at Blizzcon there is no separation by faction or game or anything like that for the people there. This means that peppered throughout the crowed were alliance only people. I imagine these people knew it was a joke. But imagine this, a girl sitting with a couple of friends, wearing a moonglade t-shirt, who plays a night elf main. All of a sudden the ENTIRE CROWD is cheering about hatred for the alliance and yelling insults. Knowing a little about mob mentality, I imagine she might get a little scared, since the crowd is predominently male. Not insulted because someone went on screen and acted immature. Scared. Scared that the frenzy created might get out of hand. Again, the crowd was predominently male, aged 18-25. That demographic isn't known for always keeping a level head.

THIS is the problem with what Blizzard did. They incited a frenzy with anti-alliance sentiments. This extends BEYOND the game. This is not "just a game" anymore. Now real people are feeling scared and alienated just for being there. Make no mistake, this is a real feeling. In atleast one case there was actual violence against a person simply for displaying alliance symbols:

Example

I believe there was another incident as well, but I do not have that link off hand. I have also heard anecdotes of people displaying alliance affiliation having random insults and jeers directed towards them.

Ultimately, the above example was the fault of the two boys. But if Blizzard hadn't evoked such emotions with their video and cheering perhaps it would not have happened. Obviously the kids were running on adrenaline (I hope, I hate to think such delinquents are apart of our humble community). Perhaps if the frenzy weren't initiated they would have run around wooping about how awesome the foo fighters were instead.

The offense is not from the guy from the video. He was immature and it was a bit ridiculous. The offence is from the fact that Blizzard did not stop to consider what this might cause. The lack of empathy shown makes me sick. You people make me sick.

Cue the trolling, I have come to expect no less around here. #MartyrForTrolling.


My thoughts exactly. The man in the video basically started an uproar from one group of people against another by being aggressively and passionately for the horde and against the alliance. It doesn't matter that it's a video game which causes these distinctions between people, the brutish, emotional call uniting any group of people for one cause incites a mob. The enthusiasm the horde player's manifesto incited literally makes the crowd more primitive, more violent and less socially responsible. They lose their ability to judge the ethical implications of their actions and the potential for chaos occurs. It was a dangerous scenario which should be avoided at all costs. Even though nothing serious went down, the uneasiness and fear that the horde mob probably caused in the alliance players there is simply unacceptable, everyone there should have been able to feel safe and comfortable in their environment.


I'm guessing by "the uneasiness and fear that the horde mob probably caused in the alliance players" that you probably weren't there. I was, and back when I played WoW (left just before Cata was released) I was Alliance. There was no fear in that room, the atmosphere was electric, excited, and fun... that's about it. Having an anti-Alliance band on the stage was what finally made me cheer and show some faction pride, and anyone there will tell you that after that video, the Alliance cheers were even louder than before.

Point being, it wasn't this fear filled/nearly rioting mass of angry people, it was a bunch of nerds cheering for their faction (on both sides). This wasn't a protest, or a hate speech, or anywhere near a 'dangerous situation.' It was a damn nerd convention where 26,000 people got together to support the games/company we love. It wasn't a divisive convention... quite the opposite! Seeing the passion everyone had for their respective games/factions/races/etc made my buddy who went with me pick up WoW again.


Well, maybe you weren't scared or uncomfortable, but some people were. I believe the exact quotation was "fuck the alliance, fucking die you fucking emo cocksuckers" to which there were emphatic cheers. So in essence, the crowd irrationally AND emphatically agreed with that man's sentiments. That's a mob mentality. You can't tell me that that sort of reaction to that sort of statement is rational. No right-minded individual would cheer at that kind of statement were it not for the mob mentality. So, proven to be in an irrational and emotional state, the crowd therefore has the potential to be dangerous, as they're acting without conscience. That's not a good place for a crowd to be when there is a large group of people (alliance fans) that are potential targets for the mob's rage. I'm not saying that this is the end of the world, all I'm saying is MAYBE it isn't the best idea to have hate speech to incite the crowd when the target of said hate speech is in attendance.
Brettatron
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada159 Posts
October 28 2011 04:57 GMT
#160
On October 28 2011 13:50 Critter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2011 13:40 Brettatron wrote:
On October 28 2011 13:39 BoX wrote:
I was going to ask you if you're serious.. But I think that you're being serious.

I was not there so I can't really comment on whether or not someone might've gotten scared in the crowd. Maybe some people did get scared. Hell, you know what, you're probably right. I think that those people have learned not to expose themselves to such a situation in the future. Nobody died, right?

Do you suppose that there should be a disclaimer or a sign at the entrance to this general area that says "People may become excited and cheer. If this alarms you, please stay to the outer perimeter where you can exit the premises if deemed necessary"

I don't think it's okay to dumb down events so that the feeble minded individuals feel safe. I think I should excuse myself from this discussion though. I took the training wheels off my bike pretty early in life. Also, I'd crush any individual member of the Alliance whom I saw trembling in fear or standing in a puddle of urine.


A woman was assaulted. Does she have to die before you see the problem?


The problem is (if that happened, I've only seen the forum post as evidence... and we all know how reliable forums are) that two guys were being assholes. It's a crime, literally, and they should be punished accordingly but in no way do I see that as being the fault of Blizzard, L90ETC, or that other guy (Corpsegrinder?).

You said you were there, do you deny that the Alliance was cheering even louder after all that? The video did what it was supposed to do, got the fans excited to show pride in the their faction and game.

Also Box, I love the disclaimer =D


Sure, it might not have happened. But maybe it did. But since it might not of we should ignore the issues it raises, right?

I don't deny that the Alliance was cheering louder. Certainly the other 20-something males who played Alliance exclusively did not fear the situation. As I have stated, probably most people didn't.

Now, the two guys were being assholes, absolutely. Probably running on adrenaline, the show and the atmosphere were INCREDIBLY electric. It would get the blood flowing in anyone. I was certainly pumped. People do stupid stuff when they are running on adrenaline. Scientific fact. If it hadn't been put in their head to hate the alliance though, perhaps they would have done something else stupid, but not hurtful. Run around screaming and waking people up... I don't know.
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