On October 28 2011 13:35 McKTenor13 wrote: Stop being offended by things. Seriously it creates more problems than if people just let it be
This... This makes me very very sad to see. Very sad. =(
Ponder a moment on the implications of this please.
I guess I should've worded it better, but this is being blown way out of proportion. He was ripping on the Alliance. Not gay people. I have gay friends, I support them, and they would be sad to see people freaking out about this and would agree with me. People really need to stop hearing the word homo or gay once and immediately think they are making fun of gay people. It's sad =/
I invite you to read my original post. I believe it was the second one of page 5. I agree, he was ripping on the alliance. The big problem here isn't his verbage.
Ah ok well then that makes a lot more sense. I usually just read the OP and a few pages hear or there to get a general read of the post. Even though they did get them riled up about Horde they didn't really start anything too dangerous. It's not like because of that video a giant riot is going to break loose and people are going to get beaten to death. That's just a whole lot of passion. The same kind of passion I see with sports fans and the same passion we'll end up seeing with starcraft 2 most likely. It may not be the prettiest thing to watch, but it gets their blood flowing and makes them want to play the game more.
This is a fairly old video aswel iirc. people just say "ok yeah dont be a fag" - IT IS NOT AGAINST GAY PEOPLE. sure, analyze it, go into great depth about, write a fucking essay about what it really means, but the intention was to insult alliance players, the gays are just trying to get something out of it too.
oh look i said "fucking" i suppose im against people having sex oh dear lets all complain.
On October 28 2011 13:22 Brettatron wrote: It's not hard to think that someone might have felt uncomfortable after some 15000 people just cheered when a guy on screen called you a cocksucker.
Except that the guy on stage didn't call any individual a cocksucker. He called an entire group of people cocksuckers.
...Right, which is to say it's alright if you call all members of a group a slur of some sort, it's okay, because it's not on a personal, case by case basis?
comedians do it all the time and people pay to see them do it live and then laugh and have a good time.
imagine if the situation did not involve the issue of homosexuality. would you have this same reaction if the thread was titled "Anti-alliance slurs at Blizzcon?" would you be outraged that a Horde player insulted all Alliance players?
That's not exactly the same. Comedians do it as part of an act, generally one you understand a bit before you decide on your ticket. If you're going to see Louis CK, you can expect slurs. He's funny, but it's never going to be something I'm going to support financially.
I never brought up homosexuality, and I'm not outraged. I questioned the reasoning of one poster, and asked when does the community say 'hey, this prepared video statement shouting hatespeech at a large amount of the audience isn't cool'. If Mike Morhaime called me an 'emo cocksucker' for liking the color green more than blue, it'd still be an issue and I feel it could warrant intelligent discussion as a community rather than 'people are butt hurt, they just need to get over it.'
I have to ask again, when does it stop being cool? Does Jay Mohr get tell people not to watch the SC2 finals because it's just two 'slant eyed, rice eating chinks' at Blizzcon 2012?
Put into their head to hate the Alliance.... really? I heard people yelling 'Fuck the Alliance" and "Horde Sucks!" in the opening ceremony. The game is based around the Horde and Alliance being at war, you honestly think that a video showed 2 hours before the event let out caused them to be stupid? Seems infinitely more likely to me that they were just some punks looking to cause trouble.
Also, where exactly am I ignoring the issue? I'm *disagreeing* as to what the issue is, and that my friend is the key difference. If you want anecdotal evidence, there were a couple of (possibly teen, I'm terrible at guessing girls ages) females sitting a few rows up from me that were screaming for the Alliance as well, just as hyped up as the vast majority of the crowd. So because a few people got scared that a band was expressing their pride in their faction of a game it's suddenly Blizzard's fault?
The place was electric, we all agree, just like any other concert or sporting event... and just like any other concert or sporting event some people drink, people get excited, and some stupid people do stupid shit. I think we all agree on that as well. The disagreement comes in where you try to rationalize that Blizzard is in the wrong for letting the performer, who is apparently an avid fan of their game, come out and show his pride. I don't see anything wrong with that.
"I believe the exact quotation was "fuck the alliance, fucking die you fucking emo cocksuckers" to which there were emphatic cheers. So in essence, the crowd irrationally AND emphatically agreed with that man's sentiments."
"Hang the ref!" is a pretty commonly shouted thing at hockey games, as is calling them blind, retarded, cocksuckers, etc. People cheer on these sentiments and similar ones directed at opposing players (myself included). Where's the outrage for that? Does our 'proven' mental state mean we're going to go assault the refs after the game?
I'm off to lunch for a bit, guys and gals. Let me just leave you all with a nice "Chill out" =D
I'm not quite sure what it is you are complaining about here. Are you upset with the Anti-Alliance hate? Or did he the metal singer say something that was censored ( I was at the live concert and i saw the video ). I really don't think that blizzard should be held responsible in any way. If this guy did use some anti-anything rhetoric then get over it. I don't see why there is a need to complain. Also FOR THE HORDE!!
It's a totally stupid, politically correct, lame harassing move by a minority.
I'm sorry, but people on the internet call each other faggots. We're not homophobes we're just colloquial. It was a very real, regular conversation made in joking that some people took personally, and now Blizzard will be afraid to do anything remotely cool ever again.
On October 28 2011 14:14 Critter wrote: Put into their head to hate the Alliance.... really? I heard people yelling 'Fuck the Alliance" and "Horde Sucks!" in the opening ceremony. The game is based around the Horde and Alliance being at war, you honestly think that a video showed 2 hours before the event let out caused them to be stupid? Seems infinitely more likely to me that they were just some punks looking to cause trouble.
Also, where exactly am I ignoring the issue? I'm *disagreeing* as to what the issue is, and that my friend is the key difference. If you want anecdotal evidence, there were a couple of (possibly teen, I'm terrible at guessing girls ages) females sitting a few rows up from me that were screaming for the Alliance as well, just as hyped up as the vast majority of the crowd. So because a few people got scared that a band was expressing their pride in their faction of a game it's suddenly Blizzard's fault?
The place was electric, we all agree, just like any other concert or sporting event... and just like any other concert or sporting event some people drink, people get excited, and some stupid people do stupid shit. I think we all agree on that as well. The disagreement comes in where you try to rationalize that Blizzard is in the wrong for letting the performer, who is apparently an avid fan of their game, come out and show his pride. I don't see anything wrong with that.
"I believe the exact quotation was "fuck the alliance, fucking die you fucking emo cocksuckers" to which there were emphatic cheers. So in essence, the crowd irrationally AND emphatically agreed with that man's sentiments."
"Hang the ref!" is a pretty commonly shouted thing at hockey games, as is calling them blind, retarded, cocksuckers, etc. People cheer on these sentiments and similar ones directed at opposing players (myself included). Where's the outrage for that? Does our 'proven' mental state mean we're going to go assault the refs after the game?
I'm off to lunch for a bit, guys and gals. Let me just leave you all with a nice "Chill out" =D
Uhmm... you arent missing the point. I think I might have stated that in an earlier response because the point was slightly missed. We are now on it. As such, I didn't say that the point was missed in my most recent response to you.
Ok, let me add to the list of points we agree on. We also agree that there is nothing wrong with having famous (or pseudo-famous, as the case may be) people express pride for his faction. I commend them for trying. I think it was not really the most considerate move to show a video inciting hatred for a group of people in attendance however. Blizzard is a responsible company that has often expressed that they want people to get along. Look at the rules of the forums and all that. This creates a sense of comfort for those alliance who decide "hey, blizzard will protect me" so they go. Then they get ripped on. Not everyone is going to be afraid, as proven by your anecdote. Maybe stupid kids will be stupid kids.
Fuck I'm tired. I can't come up with a coherent argument at the moment. I promise this is going somewhere and will be finished tomorrow. In the mean time, I want to put a disclaimer that I am in no way against a healthy discussion such as this and think that you are one of a very few intellectual people expressing their opinion in this thread. It is IGNORANCE and people not HAVING an argument and simply reply with trollish statements that get me raging to the point where I want to write an essay and defend a hard-to-defend point over the internet.
I'm not gay myself but I find it pathetic if words offend you in any way. If you're gay, and you're actually hurt by the words "homo" and "faggot" then I don't look down on you for being homosexual, I look down on you for being a huge pussy.
This reaction is more tahn stupid. Its like when you hear someone say motherf***er to someone and you were raped by your mum when you were a child. Do you go on the streets and blame him as an ignorant person and this word should be forbidden by law? This is way to much overreaction
I'm sorry that sometimes someone asks you all to refrain from acting in a way that upsets them. I'm sure it's really difficult for you.
Thats just normal. Someone blames you for something totally stupid which noone would offended if they werent a "huge pussy". If you are in the spotlight yuo have to say sorry no matter how ridiculous it is. Thats how it works
On October 28 2011 14:49 Tppz! wrote: This reaction is more tahn stupid. Its like when you hear someone say motherf***er to someone and you were raped by your mum when you were a child. Do you go on the streets and blame him as an ignorant person and this word should be forbidden by law? This is way to much overreaction
I'm sorry that sometimes someone asks you all to refrain from acting in a way that upsets them. I'm sure it's really difficult for you.
Thats just normal. Someone blames you for something totally stupid which noone would offended if they werent a "huge pussy". If you are in the spotlight yuo have to say sorry no matter how ridiculous it is. Thats how it works
Point to me where anyone's suggesting that any of the words he said be banned by law.
These arguments are never about censorship, it's just about respecting other people.
HAHAHAHA OH YEAH this is the internet, that won't ever happen.
It seems like there is a contest on teamliquid to see who can be offended by the most innocuous thing. Everyone seems to want to be protected from even the slightest irritation. Some seriously people need to grow a thicker scin and learn to laugh at a joke. I really hope this trend stops, it makes teamliquid feel like some kind of pretentious diversity seminar.
Guys I have a gay alliance friend who knows George personally, and he is really surprised that so many people are getting butthurt over it. I am in the same boat, he was just joking
The world would be so much better if that were the case. People still feel they have some right to not ever be offended, and shit like this is the result. I can't fathom why people put any thought into something as mindless and banal as this. Oh wow, a dude was hyping up WoW and insulting a faction.
Stop the fucking presses. He used some choice words in his descriptions. Next time I see on TL somebody calling another poster "stupid" I had better see a thread dedicated to how this is insulting to people with low IQ's. Or how being stupid is just a life choice, and don't judge people for their chosen ignorance (obviously this analogy is stupid, but so is this entire conversation).
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