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On October 28 2011 10:50 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 10:44 Hyuzak wrote:
He was obviously joking around and having fun, how anyone can take it seriously is beyond me. The easiest way people excuse hateful language seeped in vitriol is by saying it's "just a joke". That not only tries to sidestep the issues being raised but also is an indirect way of saying "you're making a big deal out of nothing", effectively shutting down discussion.
Ya, but it was just a joke. And people are making a big deal out of nothing.. so... is the only thing you think people can say is to make a big deal out of something that isn't?
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So.. the gay slurs he used weren't even actually in the video section they played at Blizzcon? Why does anyone care about this at all?
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It's dumb.
But then, so is he. And, I do not think that his apparent 'anti-gay slurs' were in the context of any reference towards sexual preferences, he's merely using the words as an expression of negativity towards something in the game.
I dunno, I don't really think there was any malicious intent going on there. He just compensated for his limited vocabulary with swearing, a lot of people do it, but the way it was used was not 'anti-gay'.
Words often transcends their original meaning or use, and become used as a means of expressing something totally un-relatable to its original context, therefore it's connotations completely take a new format.
And as regards to blaming Blizzard or whatever. It was poor judgement to show the video (if they did that), but he is there based upon his musical ability, not whether he is or is not against homosexuals. Blizzard would NEVER associate with him on an intellectual level I assure you. They have nothing to do with this guy, other than that he played music at their venue and he plays their games. His perspectives on anything else are totally irrelevant to them.
I think your friends are getting 'offended' way too fucking easily.
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On October 28 2011 10:53 Rostam wrote:
So.. the gay slurs he used weren't even actually in the video section they played at Blizzcon? Why does anyone care about this at all?
I agree, I don't see what the big deal here is. People just like to make a fuss out of every little thing.
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On October 28 2011 10:48 schmeebs wrote:
Maybe people realized its a joke?
I get that sometimes things can be offensive, but this was obviously a joke and people who take it as more are being a little overly sensitive. Its like getting afraid of a comedian who pokes fun at the use of the n word (Louis CK anyone?)
I can understand how people would likely just dismiss it as, "oh, he's joking, obviously, he's talking about freaking WoW. He doesn't really feel that way," etc.
And i also realize that any attempt to have self-imposed censorship doesn't exactly lend itself to being overly popular here, or on the internet in general, i feel like overly homophobic rants and things like that can kind of spur a lot of additional hate and genuinely be offensive.
But, at the same time, it's Blizzcon, so if blizzard wishes to portray themselves in that kind of a light, then by all means, they're allowed to
Edit, apologies, didn't watch the unedited version earlier. In any event, i feel like it's being blown up a little more than needs to be, especially since they edited huge chunks of it out in order to make it appropriate for the audience they had there.
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Offended gays will be offended. Personally, even if I were gay, I wouldn't make a big deal out of some fat rocker bashing my guild or whatever in an online game. Blizzard has nothing to do with the opinions of third parties (and they censored all the offensive material), or their alliance/horde preferences, so no they shouldn't be ashamed.
Seriously, why is getting offended some people's hobby?
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Are some people so sheltered that this came across as being some overwhelming issue?
Many comedy skits are terribly racist, including against peoples that are already demonized by political agendas and propaganda, and no one makes the biggest issue ever out of stuff like that. :S
EDIT: And do WoW players still inherently hate people just for playing the opposite coalition? @_@
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On October 28 2011 10:52 jester- wrote:
First world problems.
Was not offended and realized the comedy... Sometimes it's better to just take things with a grain of salt and relax.
completely agree, it's just funny how people take it so seriously...
real racists are a lot more serious than this...
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srsly if something offends you just dont watch it and search through the web about it ....
get over it and play a game of starcraft instead of stealing peoples time with complaining threads ...
btw i want my 3 minutes back -.-
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On October 28 2011 10:50 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 10:44 Hyuzak wrote:
He was obviously joking around and having fun, how anyone can take it seriously is beyond me. The easiest way people excuse hateful language seeped in vitriol is by saying it's "just a joke". That not only tries to sidestep the issues being raised but also is an indirect way of saying "you're making a big deal out of nothing", effectively shutting down discussion.
But by saying this, aren't you rejecting the argument that someone is making a big deal out of nothing? Watching that video, the man did not display any signs of prejudice against homosexuals. He certainly seems very blunt, and passionate about the horde, but not prejudice. So why is it unacceptable to state "you're making a big deal out of nothing"?
Blizzard also seemed to play it safe by censoring everything he said, further implying that they meant no offense to homosexuals.
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have you read Cannibal Corpse's lyrics?
it's far and away more offensive than what's portrayed in that video, which is hilarious by the way, and he's obviously using that language because of his enthusiasm, he doesn't mean it. Again, look up their lyrics. It's just a dude who grew up in a world where he had to use language to shock his audience. it's why he's famous, and it's habit.
you're blowing this out of proportion, he meant no harm, and no harm was done. Do you know how hard it is for people to really restrain their vocabulary, the ones they were brought up with especially? hell, this wasn't even live TV, just a random interview. You've heard pro-gamers cuss before right, even when they ARE being broadcasted. It's just habit.
And this guy is like 10 years older than the oldest pro-gamer, he grew up before this anti-gay-slur-hilary-duff-commercials thing. And he's just expressing his enthusiasm for the game with the craziest language he could come up with. That enthusiasm was why he was invited to play in the first place.
Yah, i guess blizzard should be at fault, at fault for not thinking of the lowest common denominator, those who poke and prod for controversy. ... that's a bit too harsh, but you know what I mean.
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Many comedy skits are terribly racist, including against peoples that are already demonized by political agendas and propaganda, and no one makes the biggest issue ever out of stuff like that. :S
Because people, for whatever reason, like shitty offensive jokes. Jeff Dunham's Christmas special actually beat Stephen Colbert's Christmas special in the same year by quite a margin...and Dunham's whole act is basically having a racist, homophobic, or juvenile puppet spout shit while he looks disapprovingly.
Of course when I watch most of these terrible comedians do their act, they either get booed or the crowd is bored - they generally never get big enough for anyone to care. Shitty comedy (like this song) is shit regardless of how offensive it is.
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On October 28 2011 11:06 Womwomwom wrote:Show nested quote +Many comedy skits are terribly racist, including against peoples that are already demonized by political agendas and propaganda, and no one makes the biggest issue ever out of stuff like that. :S Because people, for whatever reason, like shitty offensive jokes. Jeff Dunham's Christmas special actually beat Stephen Colbert's Christmas special in the same year by quite a margin...and Dunham's whole act is basically having a racist, homophobic, or juvenile puppet spout shit while he looks disapprovingly. Of course when I watch most of these terrible comedians do their act, they either get booed or the crowd is bored. Shitty comedy (like this song) is shit regardless of how offensive it is.
Get over it.
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Seems like a clear cut case of people TAKING offense.
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Really, a person from a Death Metal band used gay slurs and other bad wording describing the alliance of wow and this shocks you? Have you guys even read some of the lyrics these kinds of bands uses when they have concerts?
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Lots of folks are saying already that he didn't have anything against homosexuals, just Alliance players - that may or may not be true, but I think that might be missing the point people who ARE offended (see links in the OP) are trying to make.
That point being, it's using terms like "gay" with a negative connotation and homosexual slurs that's really the problem here. Regardless of his actual feelings, his willingness to use these terms to describe something he hates is a core problem.
Does that add weight to the argument (showing a core cultural problem, where "gay" is used by gamers to signify something bad) or remove weight (they're just words, it's the underlying message that really matters)?
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OMG he said homo one time. People are to sensitive. Seriously people, if this is infact an issue. Ya'll need to get some thicker skin.
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I don't think that it is that big of a deal sounds like most people are blowing this out of proportion.
But it really didn't bother me in the least.
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I love all the people just now getting butthurt over this.
This was recorded in 2007...
I'm gay, I've met George in person and you people taking this too seriously.
(c)Guy from Youtube
Totally agree with him on the issue here, if it is an issue
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