EPTGay student gets beaten up in classroom - Page 33
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devPLEASE
Kenya605 Posts
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Chernobyl
Brazil143 Posts
On October 29 2011 01:10 nennx wrote: Gay people want to be treated like normal people. However, if anyone does anything to a gay person they should have much harsher punishments than if they did something to a non-gay person. Thats the best resume for this useless threads! | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On October 28 2011 22:15 marvellosity wrote: They get bullied alike, but gays suffer it 10x more. That's the difference. Of course I'm pulling 10x out of my arse, but it is massively, massively more. So what ? If gay suffer it 10x more, then gay crimes are punished 10x more. Also, being homophobic is not a crime, just like stupidity is not a crime... No need to make a special case. | ||
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Carny
Croatia284 Posts
Don't wanna sound homophobic but it's kinda disgusting to see these kind of threads everytime I visit TL... | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On October 29 2011 01:11 devPLEASE wrote: An eye for an eye... kid should get beat up for beating up this gay kid. Not a good way to deal with it. A society with that mentality would go to hell. | ||
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ELA
Denmark4608 Posts
On October 29 2011 01:10 nennx wrote: Gay people want to be treated like normal people. However, if anyone does anything to a gay person they should have much harsher punishments than if they did something to a non-gay person. Dude, I never said that, don't go there | ||
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Zexion
Sweden971 Posts
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nennx
United States310 Posts
Who said I was addressing you? Just adding to your thoughts. Because this is pretty much what the this entire thread is about. | ||
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oogieogie
United States3657 Posts
The punishment should be harsher, but not because the person who got beaten up was gay. | ||
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Iyerbeth
England2410 Posts
On October 29 2011 01:13 Carny wrote: Wtf is up here. I only see gay threads on the board. Has TL become some sort of Gay Sanctuary? Don't wanna sound homophobic but it's kinda disgusting to see these kind of threads everytime I visit TL... Imagine how the gay community feels waking up every day to the same news about homophobic bullying, abuse and on occasion murders. I don't think anyone wants to see these stories, but the problem isn't about raiding awareness of the issue, it's that the events occur in the first place. | ||
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Velocirapture
United States983 Posts
On October 29 2011 01:08 ELA wrote: Heh.. Isn't this like the 8th Gay-thread we have had in 3 days? Not to say that it's not an issue with the hate-crimes and stuff which I'm sure is a big problem in the US(They are not very common here), but isn't it going abit overboard? It's a school, come on.. When I was in school, there was loads of fights, lots of them completely unjustified and some even "Lets beat up that guy, just because can".. Sometimes kids just do dumb shit that can seem very evil Would this be interesting if this boy was straight? Kids who act on an impulse with the thought "lets go beat that person up just because we can" have severe issues. They need constant supervision, counseling and possibly medication. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On October 29 2011 01:18 Iyerbeth wrote: Imagine how the gay community feels waking up every day to the same news about homophobic bullying, abuse and on occasion murders. I don't think anyone wants to see these stories, but the problem isn't about raiding awareness of the issue, it's that the events occur in the first place. It's more like they are searching something to get "offended". There are a shitload of bad things happening right now in the world and every community could find enough materials to make a thousand post on TL a day. | ||
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Bibdy
United States3481 Posts
Well, it's true. Just look at the way our gay TL members are reacting to it. When a group you identify with gets singled out, you'll naturally want harsher retribution than if it was another group you don't identify with, because it becomes an affront on you as a person, too - and we believe that the harsher the punishment the less likely the same thing is to happen to us. It always becomes a double-edged sword. The group that gets singled out, be it over ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, hobby/past-time (e.g. gamers), whatever, is going to react any time one of their members gets treated badly. Since they don't feel like they're getting treated fairly, they start asking for preferential treatment. When they start getting preferential treatment, they start being treated differently, when their original desire was to be treated the same. | ||
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Iyerbeth
England2410 Posts
On October 29 2011 01:20 WhiteDog wrote: It's more like they are searching something to get "offended". There are a shitload of bad things happening right now in the world and every community could find enough materials to make a thousand post on TL a day. If you genuinely think that this topic is people looking for something to be offended by there is nothing I could say in conversation that would ever achieve anything. Suffice to say though, I find that attitude sickening. | ||
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freewareplayer
Germany403 Posts
As other people mentionend, its fkin disgusting that all the rest of the crowd are just looking and dont even lift a finger to help the kid. Outright fkin disgusting. Thats exactly why those bullys feel like people agree with them, cause noone even steps in. Where the fuck is civil courage? Someone shouldve shown some ball and kicked that bully in the face. | ||
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drshdwpuppet
United States332 Posts
On October 29 2011 01:08 ELA wrote: Heh.. Isn't this like the 8th Gay-thread we have had in 3 days? Not to say that it's not an issue with the hate-crimes and stuff which I'm sure is a big problem in the US(They are not very common here), but isn't it going abit overboard? It's a school, come on.. When I was in school, there was loads of fights, lots of them completely unjustified and some even "Lets beat up that guy, just because can".. Sometimes kids just do dumb shit that can seem very evil Would this be interesting if this boy was straight? No, it wouldn't be. Because then the /reason/ behind the bullying would not be noteworthy. No one is saying general bullying isn't bad, just that initiating an act of violence purely for the reason of sexual orientation is worse. There is a clear line of evidence that points to homosexual children being bullied and suicide. The evidence is fairly strong, and is certainly something worthy of note and concern. What must be understood is that this is not some kid beating up some other kid. That is the action, but what is left is an atmosphere of no tolerance for innate differences in human beings, and a sense of not being safe for all minority groups, gays in particular. This particular case has evidence (witness testimony, facebook postings etc) that this beating occurred simply because the other person was gay. We do not want special treatment, we do not want to be protected more than any other group. We want it to be acknowledged that bullying or assault based on the fact that the victim is a homosexual is a bias motivated crime. They have been shown to cause deep psychological problems in target groups, something I feel that everyone has the right to be protected from. It is not against the law, first amendment or any of the other silly arguments against harsher punishment, quite the opposite in fact. Wisconsin v. Mitchell (a supreme court case that can be found at http://supreme.justia.com/us/508/476/case.html) clearly, and unambiguously states that a harsher penalty for hate crimes does not unfairly punish someone for exercising freedom of expression because the act in question is a crime and the reasoning behind it is called a motive. Motives for crimes are not covered under our First Amendment rights. The real question of interest is how the aggressor came to have his harsh opinion and hate filled rage against homosexuals to the point where he would physically attack one. What society, what depraved and perverse family life must this kid have to do this? | ||
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aderum
Sweden1459 Posts
On October 29 2011 01:16 nennx wrote: Who said I was addressing you? Just adding to your thoughts. Because this is pretty much what the this entire thread is about. oh please, this is not about "beating a gay person should be punished harder" its "beating a person for BEING gay should be punished harded". Its called hate crime and its there for a reason. Dont be ignorant please. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On October 29 2011 01:22 Iyerbeth wrote: If you genuinely think that this topic is people looking for something to be offended by there is nothing I could say in conversation that would ever achieve anything. Suffice to say though, I find that attitude sickening. I'm sorry if I offended you, but sometime it's better to take some distance with the day-to-day events and try to think carefully about the world as a whole and not some tiny events that mean almost nothing if you put them back in the big picture. Sure, it's hard to get beaten, especially if the only reason for that is that you are "different", but you also got to try to get out of yourself and replace your own experience into the world : there are a lot of young kids that get beaten for a thousands of reasons. So let's not stop on the details (here the details being : he is gay) and try to confront the big problem which is the violence toward young kids with any kind of difference from the norm. | ||
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ELA
Denmark4608 Posts
On October 29 2011 01:19 Velocirapture wrote: Kids who act on an impulse with the thought "lets go beat that person up just because we can" have severe issues. They need constant supervision, counseling and possibly medication. I beat up a kid when I was 13 because he had cheese in his lunchbox. Medication? Get real Not saying that it's okay for kids to beat up each other for no reason, but that dosn't make them sick or evil - Its misguided, yes! But you don't deal with kids that act this way with "death penalty" and "prison" like 50% of this thread posters in here seem to think - You people are sicker than the person who actually did the beating here, in my oppinion They are _kids_, he should be penaltied as a kid, not as an adult | ||
fusefuse
Estonia4644 Posts
On October 29 2011 01:13 Carny wrote: Wtf is up here. I only see gay threads on the board. Has TL become some sort of Gay Sanctuary? Don't wanna sound homophobic but it's kinda disgusting to see these kind of threads everytime I visit TL... but you do sound homophobic by saying that, get real. | ||
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