EPTGay student gets beaten up in classroom - Page 34
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Kuni
Austria765 Posts
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aderum
Sweden1459 Posts
On October 29 2011 01:30 WhiteDog wrote: I'm sorry if I offended you, but sometime it's better to take some distance with the day-to-day events and try to think carefully about the world as a whole and not some tiny events that mean almost nothing if you put them back in the big picture. Sure, it's hard to get beaten, especially if the only reason for that is that you are "different", but you also got to try to get out of yourself and replace your own experience into the world : there are a lot of young kids that get beaten for a thousands of reasons. So let's not stop on the details (here the details being : he is gay) and try to confront the big problem which is the violence toward young kids with any kind of difference from the norm. So because kids get beaten up every day, we should not care? Doesnt that mean that we should just fight harder and give harder punishment for these things so that it stops? Your attitude against something ass disgusting as this is saddening  | ||
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hitthat
Poland2275 Posts
I dont buy a crap like: However, if anyone does anything to a gay person they should have much harsher punishments than if they did something to a non-gay person. NO! It's not a reason to gain a harsher punishment. "Nerds" and "sissies" are not less valuable humans than "fags" and "negroes". It's all violence becouse of fucking "ubermensch-motherfucker" mentality. PS: Sorry for curses and offensive language in this one, it's not intended to flame anyone, that's why i put quotation marks. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On October 29 2011 01:34 aderum wrote: So because kids get beaten up every day, we should not care? Doesnt that mean that we should just fight harder and give harder punishment for these things so that it stops? Your attitude against something ass disgusting as this is saddening Read again my post : So let's not stop on the details (here the details being : he is gay) and try to confront the big problem which is the violence toward young kids with any kind of difference from the norm. No it's not okay to let young kids get beaten, but stop trying to reduct it to some kind of homophobic act. The real problem is the overall violence in our society, whether it is toward gays, geeks, lesbians (who suffer way more than gays by the way, just try to google the number of rape on lesbians, but somehow nobody ever talk about it), black, jew, arabs and so on. | ||
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Romance_us
Seychelles1806 Posts
On October 29 2011 01:13 Carny wrote: Wtf is up here. I only see gay threads on the board. Has TL become some sort of Gay Sanctuary? Don't wanna sound homophobic but it's kinda disgusting to see these kind of threads everytime I visit TL... You are homophobic. You don't have to worry about sounding like it. Also, 0.0001% of threads are related to homosexuality. edit: grammar mistake | ||
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nennx
United States310 Posts
On October 29 2011 01:30 aderum wrote: oh please, this is not about "beating a gay person should be punished harder" its "beating a person for BEING gay should be punished harded". Its called hate crime and its there for a reason. Dont be ignorant please. Victims of "hate crimes": We just want to be treated like normal people, however, if anyone does anything to us they should have harsher punishments. Alot of crimes are hate crimes, no one should be treated specially because of their race or sexual orientation. | ||
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Velocirapture
United States983 Posts
On October 29 2011 01:31 ELA wrote: I beat up a kid when I was 13 because he had cheese in his lunchbox. Medication? Get real Not saying that it's okay for kids to beat up each other for no reason, but that dosn't make them sick or evil - Its misguided, yes! But you don't deal with kids that act this way with "death penalty" and "prison" like 50% of this thread posters in here seem to think - You people are sicker than the person who actually did the beating here, in my oppinion They are _kids_, he should be penaltied as a kid, not as an adult I definitely would have put you in counseling if I had been your parent. Misguided is an understatement if your story is accurate. When a child is SO misguided that they become a danger to those around them based off completely random cues (see cheese) then something else is very wrong. | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4736 Posts
So answering question in OP, he should be treated exactly as bullies before him were treated (for sure he is not the first in this establishment). | ||
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aderum
Sweden1459 Posts
On October 29 2011 01:37 hitthat wrote: Punish him just like for assault and bullying human being becouse of any other reason. It's not better or worse than attacking someone becouse of "being nerdy", "having a stupid hat" or "having sissy t-shirt with Mickey Mouse." It's all the same: UNPROVOKED, UNJUSTIFIED VIOLENCE against other human being I dont buy a crap like: NO! It's not a reason to gain a harsher punishment. "Nerds" and "sissies" are not less valuable humans than "fags" and "negroes". It's all violence becouse of fucking "ubermensch-motherfucker" mentality. PS: Sorry for curses and offensive language in this one, it's not intended to flame anyone, that's why i put quotation marks. You are missing the points, its not about "gays" and "negros" being more valuable than you and me, its about if someone beats up a kid BECAUSE he is gay, its worse. If 3 black kids beats up you, just because you are white, that is also a hate crime, and will be punished harder than if they beat you up for no reason. Why? Because we as a society needs to teach lessons and let people no that we dont accept discrimination. Of course we dont accept beating someone up either, but thats not to the point now. | ||
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drshdwpuppet
United States332 Posts
On October 29 2011 01:30 WhiteDog wrote: I'm sorry if I offended you, but sometime it's better to take some distance with the day-to-day events and try to think carefully about the world as a whole and not some tiny events that mean almost nothing if you put them back in the big picture. Sure, it's hard to get beaten, especially if the only reason for that is that you are "different", but you also got to try to get out of yourself and replace your own experience into the world : there are a lot of young kids that get beaten for a thousands of reasons. So let's not stop on the details (here the details being : he is gay) and try to confront the big problem which is the violence toward young kids with any kind of difference from the norm. Here are some bigger picture things for you to consider "Gay youth are two to four times more likely to be threatened with a deadly weapon at school and miss more days of school than their heterosexual peers. Further, they are two to seven times more likely to attempt suicide. These issues, the societal stigma around homosexuality and fear of bias-motivated attack, lead to gay men and women, especially teenagers, becoming more likely to abuse drugs such as marijuana and cocaine and alcohol, have unprotected sex with multiple sexual partners, find themselves in unwanted sexual situations, have body image and eating disorders, and be at higher risk for STDs and HIV/AIDS." ( "Gay Adolescents and Suicide: Understanding the Association.". Adolescence. 2005 .http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2248/is_159_40/ai_n15950408/) The point is that there are indeed lots of kids that get beaten up every day for thousands of reasons. It is just that there is a larger percentage of gay kids being beaten up because they are gay than heterosexual kids for other reasons. I am curious as to how you look at the world as a whole. Because while it is true that this particular event is fairly insignificant in the grand scheme, the way that I, and most logical, rational people I know, analyze the world and its problems is by looking at trends. Trends are important for discovering how and why things are the way they are and how we can fix them. I see a trend of gay bullying, assault, bias motivated crimes and hatred. I see a problem that can be fixed without begging for preferential treatment because the legal foundation is already there. | ||
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aderum
Sweden1459 Posts
On October 29 2011 01:41 drshdwpuppet wrote: Here are some bigger picture things for you to consider "Gay youth are two to four times more likely to be threatened with a deadly weapon at school and miss more days of school than their heterosexual peers. Further, they are two to seven times more likely to attempt suicide. These issues, the societal stigma around homosexuality and fear of bias-motivated attack, lead to gay men and women, especially teenagers, becoming more likely to abuse drugs such as marijuana and cocaine and alcohol, have unprotected sex with multiple sexual partners, find themselves in unwanted sexual situations, have body image and eating disorders, and be at higher risk for STDs and HIV/AIDS." ( "Gay Adolescents and Suicide: Understanding the Association.". Adolescence. 2005 .http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2248/is_159_40/ai_n15950408/) The point is that there are indeed lots of kids that get beaten up every day for thousands of reasons. It is just that there is a larger percentage of gay kids being beaten up because they are gay than heterosexual kids for other reasons. I am curious as to how you look at the world as a whole. Because while it is true that this particular event is fairly insignificant in the grand scheme, the way that I, and most logical, rational people I know, analyze the world and its problems is by looking at trends. Trends are important for discovering how and why things are the way they are and how we can fix them. I see a trend of gay bullying, assault, bias motivated crimes and hatred. I see a problem that can be fixed without begging for preferential treatment because the legal foundation is already there. <3 <3 <3 Thank you for being reasonable and awesome. | ||
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drshdwpuppet
United States332 Posts
On October 29 2011 01:41 Silvanel wrote: The way i see it, this bully needs to be punished EXACTLY as if the person beaten was not gay. It doesnt matter if the person attacked was male, female,white,black,green,gay,straight,fat,skinny, healthy, unhealthy or whatever. We shouldnt take that into consideration. Punish him, for what he has done "attacking and beating other person" if his punishment is more severe it is discrimanation. So answering question in OP, he should be treated exactly as bullies before him were treated (for sure he is not the first in this establishment). United States Law says it isnt discrimination. Wisconsin vs. Mitchell says that punishing bias motivated crimes more harshly is not against the first amendment freedom of expression. The Matthew Shepard Act of 2009 says that sexual orientation can be the basis for a bias motivated crime. maybe in Poland it is discrimination, but not in the US, where this kid committed the crime. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On October 29 2011 01:41 drshdwpuppet wrote: Here are some bigger picture things for you to consider "Gay youth are two to four times more likely to be threatened with a deadly weapon at school and miss more days of school than their heterosexual peers. Further, they are two to seven times more likely to attempt suicide. These issues, the societal stigma around homosexuality and fear of bias-motivated attack, lead to gay men and women, especially teenagers, becoming more likely to abuse drugs such as marijuana and cocaine and alcohol, have unprotected sex with multiple sexual partners, find themselves in unwanted sexual situations, have body image and eating disorders, and be at higher risk for STDs and HIV/AIDS." ( "Gay Adolescents and Suicide: Understanding the Association.". Adolescence. 2005 .http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2248/is_159_40/ai_n15950408/) The point is that there are indeed lots of kids that get beaten up every day for thousands of reasons. It is just that there is a larger percentage of gay kids being beaten up because they are gay than heterosexual kids for other reasons. I am curious as to how you look at the world as a whole. Because while it is true that this particular event is fairly insignificant in the grand scheme, the way that I, and most logical, rational people I know, analyze the world and its problems is by looking at trends. Trends are important for discovering how and why things are the way they are and how we can fix them. I see a trend of gay bullying, assault, bias motivated crimes and hatred. I see a problem that can be fixed without begging for preferential treatment because the legal foundation is already there. You just want to consider the fact that they are gay, that's your choice. I could give you the same thing about arabic population in the US, being discriminated more than any other communities, but you would not care at all because the only thing that matter for you is the "gay" problem. Here is an exemple of violence toward muslims : http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/our-work/fighting-discrimination/2008-hate-crime-survey/violence-against-muslims/ The main problem is violence, it's not okay to hit a young kid, the reasons comes after. | ||
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hitthat
Poland2275 Posts
You are missing the points, its not about "gays" and "negros" being more valuable than you and me, its about if someone beats up a kid BECAUSE he is gay, its worse. If 3 black kids beats up you, just because you are white, that is also a hate crime, and will be punished harder than if they beat you up for no reason. Why? Because we as a society needs to teach lessons and let people no that we dont accept discrimination. Of course we dont accept beating someone up either, but thats not to the point now. No, it's YOU the one, who are missing the point. Becouse beating someone becouse of being gay or black is ALSO violence for no reason and beating someone becouse "being nerdy" is ALSO discrimination. It's all the same shit coming from unjustified hate and must be punished the same manner. "We as a society needs to teach lessons and let people no that we dont accept discrimination."- that's what i mean. Edit: I'm not talking about law, just as I see it. | ||
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Hedgehog
Macedonia73 Posts
The only thing I mind about the OP is the describing the video as disgusting... This is just another school fight, there's nothing unusual about it. I don't know the pink world you live in because here the first memories i have of the tv as such, were desecrated bodies from thousands of people in Bosnia and Croatia. Do you know anything about Srebrenica? Something about Vukovar? I am just pointing that out. On a side note, I believe that this should go down as an ordinary school fight because it doesn't stand a chance going on as a hate crime. | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4736 Posts
On October 29 2011 01:41 aderum wrote: You are missing the points, its not about "gays" and "negros" being more valuable than you and me, its about if someone beats up a kid BECAUSE he is gay, its worse. If 3 black kids beats up you, just because you are white, that is also a hate crime, and will be punished harder than if they beat you up for no reason. Why? Because we as a society needs to teach lessons and let people no that we dont accept discrimination. Of course we dont accept beating someone up either, but thats not to the point now. Sir hate to say it but You are racist, you are actualy promoting racial and sexual based discrimiantion. | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On October 29 2011 01:34 aderum wrote: So because kids get beaten up every day, we should not care? Doesnt that mean that we should just fight harder and give harder punishment for these things so that it stops? Your attitude against something ass disgusting as this is saddening I believe that kids get beaten up every day is a problem and must solve it, and discourage the behavior but we shouldn't make it different case for gays, All bullies punished for bullying, status of the victim shouldn't come into play, the intention could be taken into account though, but Bullying straight kids is as bad as bullying gays and bullying everyone else. We should not make special cases about victim status. Basically, punish the crime for what it is, not for who it is done to Example Thief stole from gay, punished for thievery, not for punished for stealing from a gay | ||
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drshdwpuppet
United States332 Posts
On October 29 2011 01:46 WhiteDog wrote: You just want to consider the fact that they are gay, that's your choice. I could give you the same thing about arabic population in the US, being discriminated more than any other communities, but you would not care at all because the only thing that matter for you is the "gay" problem. The main problem is violence, it's not okay to hit a young kid, the reasons comes after. The question is "do I think he should be punished more harshly" I answered with "yes, because it is the law. Personally, I also think that because this". I am gay, I have been the victim of bullying, assault, rape etc. So yes, this is a hot topic issue for me because I am fairly active in spreading the word, helping other gay youth, being an advocate for a group that I belong to. I think the reason behind any crime is important in determining the course of action to correct and prevent. The Arabic population being assaulted etc because they are Arabic IS ALSO A BIAS MOTIVATED CRIME AND SHOULD ALSO BE DEALT WITH MORE HARSHLY THAN A NON BIAS MOTIVATED CRIME. This topic isn't about a kid being beaten up because he is arab. I have seen that happen to, and it should also be dealt with more harshly. | ||
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cleansingpak
Pakistan4 Posts
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VashTS
United States1675 Posts
On October 29 2011 01:34 Kuni wrote: Same punishment as would be given for beating anyone else up. I don't see why there should be any difference. Who gives a shit if the kid was gay or not -.- Because that's the whole point. He was beaten up BECAUSE he was gay. Derp? Things like this are ridiculous. I hope he gets punished to the full extent of the law -- and then some. Edit: On October 29 2011 01:51 cleansingpak wrote: shud be no punishment.....give me 1 good reason y the victim doesnt deserve this due to his disease! THIS JUST IN: If you have a disease, you deserve to be beaten up. Leukemia, Cancer, MD, and other diseases means you DESERVE to get beat up. Really? | ||
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