well your all saying the same thing, its the kids fault for mouthing off, but the kid didnt do anything physical to the bus driver... but whatever obviously not too many of you understand that based on the fact we were all "raised" differently, so ill just stop posting in this topic, you cant really change a persons opinion on certain things. hf~

1tym

Korea (South)2425 Posts

June 01 2005 05:03 GMT

#102

OK that sums up your point pretty well. Don't need to repeat it over and over again

InToTheWannaB

United States4770 Posts

June 01 2005 05:04 GMT

#103

Ahh that bus driver just taught that kid a valuable life lession. When having a argument with a bigger man you just dont throw around the word "fucker" lol. Everyone needs a good beating from time to time.

WildCard

United States76 Posts

June 01 2005 05:04 GMT

#104

On June 01 2005 14:03 1tym wrote:
OK that sums up your point pretty well. Don't need to repeat it over and over again

im allowed to post if i have something that i want to say that isnt racial, hurtful toward another member, spam, ect. and i have something to say so i felt the need to say it.

1tym

Korea (South)2425 Posts

June 01 2005 05:05 GMT

#105

On June 01 2005 14:02 WildCard wrote:
so ill just stop posting in this topic, ~

taeWook

United States1367 Posts

June 01 2005 05:12 GMT

#106

for those of you saying that the bus driver should have waited for the deputy, i understand that reasoning. and of course, from an american perspective, makes sense. we have laws in this country that are different, from say korea, and hitting kids makes you look like the antogonist in 99% of these kinds of situations. yet if he just sat there and took all that shit from the kids, it tells the kids that he is basically helpless and he'll take the shit. this would spread like wildfire among the kids, maybe even the school. and lets say the deputy finally does come. who knows, the kids may start acting like little angels, and deny everything the driver claims they did. so they'll take a look at the video, but looks like its only a bunch of kids cussing and harassing the bus driver. maybe the kid will get banned from the bus, but charged with a crime?, hell no. we need new laws in this country that gives more authoritative powers for people in these situations, ex: pepper spray for rowdy kids. of course some may abuse their power, but i think its a risk worth taking

SoLsiTO

United States573 Posts

June 01 2005 05:14 GMT

#107

i mean seriously, if the bus driver had waited for the deputy the children would have rioted!

MPXMX

Canada4309 Posts

June 01 2005 05:16 GMT

#108

Yeah, WildCard, most people just take a side and defend it regardless of what they hear from others. THere are clearly two very different sides on this issue, like in many things, and I have not observed anyone in this thread changing their views. Maybe I'm in the same boat ... but I believe I have a point

You say that the bus driver was not acting like an adult, seeing as the kids did not lay a hand on him. But they were making a little riot, acting unbelievably stupid for no reason other than being full of themselves. Why does bodily punishment exist in the first place? Why do kids at a very young age get smakced around? It's hard to sit down with an infant and make him understand the basis of morals and ethics and why this and that is wrong. There are some things that cannot really be taught in other ways, or very very hard... such as common sense. It can hardly be explained ... the last time I was hit for discipline was when I was 4, maybe 6 years old. And From that young age, my common sense would not permit me to act the way those kids do. Those kids are acting like an infants; they are obviously a failure on their parents' part. It more or less makes sense to deal with them like you would with an infant

PS Heh, Solsito, I called this incident a "riot" too before reading your post

Slaughter

United States20254 Posts

June 01 2005 05:16 GMT

#109

I agree with the bus driver. Seriously Kids are like this today because we are sooo relaxing on our discipline. And when a teacher has enough and fights back like this they get slapped around with lawsuits/jail time. This only lets the kids know that they have all the power and they can do whatever they want. People have to show these kids that they are serious and sometimes when they get THAT bad they need to be smacked.

SCFraser

Canada1534 Posts

June 01 2005 05:18 GMT

#110

Its funny some parents act like their kid's "backup" instead of their parents. They dont even consider that their kid could be in the wrong. but then again those people probably never consider that they could be wrong either.

theres definitely something wrong with those kids when they think they can get away with anything, abusing others etc. Someone has gotta stand up for themself eventually and teach kids like that a lesson.

I think a certain level of physical force (like restraint?) should be considered an acceptable defense against verbal abuse.

Fucking lawyer calling the kids victims...

iNcontroL

USA29055 Posts

June 01 2005 05:19 GMT

#111

something you guys arent taking into consideration is this took place in Florida, they do things differently down there. When a punk 15 year old kid is acting like a faggot to a Bus driver, wearing his uniform probably been doing the job for like 45 years and its a hot florida day, he isnt going to take shit. So when he is out numbered 6-7 to 1 and the kids flat out wont listen to a damn word hes saying (when all he is asking themt o do is obide the law / protect themselves and buckle) and the kid stands up in a offensive fashion and says "Fuck you" to a bus driver who was verbally giving the last warning to a kid he had just called the cops on he sure as fuck might snap and detain the kid. Did he go to far? yeah he did. But i side with him fully. No fucking way were words going to work, and had he let that escalate and given in to the kids building confidence in their rebelious behaviour whos to say they wouldnt h ave done worse? His phsyical action was wrong, but given the conditions i just explained i think it was completely understandable.

Blatantly disrespecting a 66 year old professionally attired bus driver in the Florida hear with no regard for his pleas to obide the law can result in a slap, big deal? dont think so.

EAGER-beaver

Canada2799 Posts

June 01 2005 05:29 GMT

#112

Sometimes not giving an ass kicking does more harm then good. And damn did that kid need an ass kicking.

Edit:

I just had to add, that yes, kids have all the power in our society and their elders are helpless to enforce any kind of discipline.

Bard

Jamaica898 Posts

June 01 2005 05:32 GMT

#113

Kid "Hey mother fxxxx!"

Bus Driver slaps him and graps his neck

Kid "Ahhhkkk!! Get off him!!! Get off!!! Eeeeehhiiii!!!"

Eniram

Sudan3166 Posts

June 01 2005 05:34 GMT

#114

On June 01 2005 14:19 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
something you guys arent taking into consideration is this took place in Florida, they do things differently down there. When a punk 15 year old kid is acting like a faggot to a Bus driver, wearing his uniform probably been doing the job for like 45 years and its a hot florida day, he isnt going to take shit.

Blatantly disrespecting a 66 year old professionally attired bus driver in the Florida hear with no regard for his pleas to obide the law can result in a slap, big deal? dont think so.

Um excuse me, but who are you to say how Floridians act?

EDIT: Wait, aren't you from Florida?
Still, its not good to just define a whole group of people like that.

MPXMX

Canada4309 Posts

June 01 2005 05:38 GMT

#115

Food for thought

Unlawful != Bad

Like Spiderman...he isn't endorsed by police but he's a good man, guys

SoLsiTO

United States573 Posts

June 01 2005 05:42 GMT

#116

and what the bus driver did was bad, and unlawful.

TvP On Guillo

Denmark646 Posts

June 01 2005 05:42 GMT

#117

The bus driver should never have gotten out of his seat. Completely irresponsible behaviour. You should never let your personal emotions get in the way of doing your work.

I don't think violence is appropriate, unless inflicted upon you first. The bus driver should have stayed passive as long as the kids didn't directly disrupt his driving. In the case of disruption, the driver should stop and let the kid off the bus. Very simple logical rules. The driver could use the camera tape against the kids, by banning them from the schoolbus or similar appropriate punishment.

I have a brother at the same age as those kids, who uses abrasive language when teachers abuse their power. Although in a more sophisticated way, he points out how bad his teachers are at doing their job and how badly they've failed in life. Its the only way kids can "hit back" and I think its fine as long as they uses it as a response. In this case though, it doesn't seem like the bus driver was abusing his power, but rather that the kids were "shitheads".

SoLsiTO

United States573 Posts

June 01 2005 05:47 GMT

#118

On June 01 2005 14:29 EAGER-beaver wrote:
I just had to add, that yes, kids have all the power in our society and their elders are helpless to enforce any kind of discipline.

How do kids have all the power in our (and what is our society while we are at it, just so I know where you are coming from) society, please explain?

SoleSteeler

Canada5414 Posts

June 01 2005 05:49 GMT

#119

what the bus driver did was wrong, however i can see his point of view, it would be hard to restrain yourself

i blame weak ass parents for stuff like this... irresponsible parents who don't know how to raise a kid :/

hell, my parents have basically let me make all decision myself since i was small and i've turned out just fine... it's because we treat each other with respect and understanding, the parents of kids like these probably just yell and scream at their children all day long when they do something long, so they enjoy the whole rebellious act, pissing off others...

bburn

United States1039 Posts

June 01 2005 06:28 GMT

#120

http://maddox.xmission.com/beat.html
These kids parents need to take the advice of maddox