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I'm pretty sure this kind of stuff can happen in any country around the world. At least it got covered in the media.
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On October 19 2011 10:53 madcow305 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 10:45 c24papa wrote:On October 19 2011 10:21 Jormundr wrote:On October 19 2011 10:04 c24papa wrote:On October 19 2011 09:37 Supamang wrote:
Interesting.
Im willing to bet that the same people spouting rainbows and unicorns about helping people despite the very possible very harsh consequences would also be the ones running away from someone being mugged by a bum with a 9mm pistol.
Actually then, let me pose that question to you guys (Magic_Mike and SilentchiLL). If some old lady was being robbed by a masked guy with a gun, would you go help her? Its definitely the right thing to do. How the fuck can you compare the two? One being the certain death of a child which you know you can and should do something without immidiently risking your life. The other being an old woman most likely lose some valueables and he will will a very high probability not do any harm to her, while your involvement could risk both your lives.
Involving yourself in that situation is not the right thing to do its the extremely stupid thing to do. If you knew her life is at stake then the situaition is completely different. If you want an example that more fits into this case it would be that a robber with a knife robs someone, and you have a gun at your disposal. Then you have the means to do something and save the situation. Like the people in this video. You are mixing brave thing and stupid thing to do. Bahaha Oh how quickly they fall from their moral high horses. Knowing that there is a chance the man might kill you, you justify not helping her. And here we can see that you OBVIOUSLY are not motivated by what's 'RIGHT'. You are just as worried about your personal safety as the chinese people in this situation were about themselves and their families. You AND they immediately began justifying and fortifying your decision. Bullshit bolded. First, they ARE risking their lives and the lives of their families by helping. This has been addressed exhaustively in this thread by the chinese posters. If you want to believe that they're all in on this big internet conspiracy or they're all evil yellow-bellied villains, you should probably go ride off into fairy land on your magic fucking unicorn. Second, you make up excuses not to help; "He probably won't kill her if I don't get involved" " Someone else will call the police, I don't want people to think I'm responsible for this little girl, or I might have to pay for her hospital bill." Third, you come up with reasons to not do something which is, by your previous definitions, 'RIGHT'. You claim that it's stupid to act in this situation. I agree. The exact same applies to the chinese passerby. THERE IS A DAMN GOOD CHANCE THIS IS/WILL TURN INTO A SCAM. That's how bad it is there. The world's a dark fucking place. I hope to god you never see the fact that there is no concrete wrong and no concrete right. Speaking from experience, it's a painful realization. Yeah, another condecending asshole.. The world is so much darker and evil than my naive fairy tale life blah blah blah.. The two situations are miles apart.. - Being robbed and bleeding to death is a pretty big difference. - Helping a child lying on the ground helpless by doing pretty much anything, and desarming a robber with a gun is not even in the same fucking ballpark. - Getting gunned down on the street and a may or may not scam which you have no idea is going to happen or not, also a big difference. - I wont get involved because I am risking both our lives to disarm a man for a robbery that might turn bad, opposed to letting a child die on the street because of the chance that I may have to pay the medical bills. Yeah clearly the same thing, I can see you come from a dark place.. If I had the possibility to do something in the robber situation that would save that old womans life I would, if she were in danger of losing it. But I have training in that sort of thing. Does every time someone save someones life in China the get ruined for life, do you really believe that? Are you serious? Something dangerous might happen outside of the front door, best stay in the house for the rest of my life. Nice hypocrisy. You and Silentchill are stating that everyone, everywhere, should always do the "right" thing. When the right thing happens to be helping a Chinese girl, when all the other mean, bad, stupid, evil Chinese are doing nothing, then it's commendable and you should applaud yourself. Nevermind the numerous reasons that REAL Chinese people from China (not Europeans who've never been to China) have given for why the people walking by might not want to help. Then we throw a situation at you where there's also a clear "right" thing to do. But in this case, you won't do the right thing. Why? Oh, because it might involve personal harm to you. Nevermind the fact that helping the girl might involve personal harm to the Chinese people. So is your position "always do the right thing, except when your own neck might be on the line?" Nice stable moral position you have there.
Nice pulling stuff out of thin air.
I have not said that they are bad, evil or stupid anywhere. I said that my opinion is that they are egosentric and cowardly. I suppose I am in right to an opinion right?
If you disagree then okey, cant see how its not egosentric and cowardly but okey.
I have heard their reasoning and I still disagree with it being an okey thing to do.
I you had read my actual post you'd see that I disagree with barging into a robbery clueless is the right thing to do. My moraleview is towards humanity not stupidity.
If you have the means to do something to prevent the robbery then of course you should do something. If you think it will become a life threatening situation the you should do whatever you can. If a goddamned child is bleeding on the street you should do something.
Its a robbery not a killing spree, a very low precentage end in murder. Involvement will increase that rate by tenfolds. Therefore you should know what you are doing when you interfere and risk both your lives unnecessary.
Stand behind whatever reasoning and logic you want still does not make it the right thing to do in my opinion from my high horse.
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On October 19 2011 11:06 RavenLoud wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 10:23 c24papa wrote:On October 19 2011 10:03 Blasterion wrote:On October 19 2011 09:49 c24papa wrote:On October 19 2011 09:15 Blasterion wrote:On October 19 2011 09:13 SilentchiLL wrote:On October 19 2011 09:10 Blasterion wrote:On October 19 2011 09:03 Magic_Mike wrote:On October 19 2011 09:00 madcow305 wrote:On October 19 2011 08:58 SilentchiLL wrote:
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The question is, do I need more?
I want to be able to look in the mirror and be proud, I don't want to lay in my bed and have regrets and there's no way that I would want to get reminded of the bleeding 2 year old little girl I left lying on the street to die, everytime I see a child. So you help, parents sue you, fuked up Chinese courts rule against you, you pay 500,000 euro a year for the rest of your life. Then 5 years later, when your kids are following you around the slums while you dig through garbage cans for dinner, your wife asks you how they got in this mess. Your reply? "It was the right thing to do." See how long she and her children can live off those words. As long as it takes. People have lived off of much worse. At least she has a husband with character and integrity. And someone with that sort of integrity will no doubt be able to survive such a horrific loss of money. Someone who always does the right thing will find a way. I feel naught but pity then, because a man's first duty is to protect their family so that doesn't happen. Hmm atleast it was made obvious now why our opinions are so different, I always thought that it's the first duty of a man to do what's right. The term "right" is extremely subjective, tell me your definition of this right of yours, I can clearly define exactly what I should be doing and that is what's in the best interest of my family, but I am eager to learn this right that you speak of Yeah, everything is relative and all that. Being so hostile against our "western morale", emotional nonesense and how "stupid ignorant euro kids and american redneck know nothing about China" does not make you any more right or wrong, so why dont you tone down your condesending BS. While I agree that your logical argument on why they are behaving as they are indeed valid, so are many other logical reasoning for doing things. Theifs stealing to provide for their familiy, use the reasoning that the are protecting and providing for their familiy Scammers scamming people for their familiy, use the reasoning that the are protecting and providing for their familiy Robber robbing a grocery shop, for their familiy, use the reasoning that the are protecting and providing for their familiy Hitmen making a living kiling people for their familiy, use the reasoning that the are protecting and providing for their familiy Leaders of crime syndicates doing horrible things to others without the slightest regard for others, for their familiy, use the reasoning that the are protecting and providing for their familiy. Hell while we are at it Stalin and Hitler killed millions and millions people, for their familiy (The third Reich and Sovjet in this case) use the reasoning that the are protecting and providing for their familiy By your argument these are all valid logical reasonings, which they may as well be, but even you can see a big difference from doing right from wrong and that logical reason is not what matters in some cases, especially when it comes to human lives.. Everything can be explained in some off sense of necessity for protect or providing in any crime. Doesnt make it any more right or wrong. My opinion is that they are egosentric cowards whom should look in disgust at themselves everytime they look in the mirror. Id rather look in a poor mans mirror with pride and selfworth than in a rich mans mirror knowing i have killed a baby. But as you so nicely put it, thats just me being a moral-faggot That's exactly it though since because of your morals you lost sight of what you truly should be protecting. This isn't just you it's you and your family, your parents' retirement fund, your children's future education. If you are willing to risk all that, I have every right to define it as moral faggotry Great job not addressing my real point.. But to what you addressed, then of course you have the right to do that. And I have the right to define the reasoning you present as cowardness, naive, shortsighted and egosentric. What I truly should be protecting? Do you have the right answer on who and what I should protect? Are your priorities better than mine because you only want to protect your familiy and i see a bigger scale picture? Funny how my morals have made me lost sight of what your morals defines as "what I truly should be protecting". The way I see it I am protecting humanity, my culture, my society and what I believe in by acting like I would like all those around me to act. Something I am pretty sure you cant say the same about.How can I want everyone else to act after my morals and values and in the way I would like otfers to behave if I do not do it myself? I have only one life that I know of and I will spend it according to the morale I wish others after me should have. I would rather be a father that gives my children good values and little money than a father that gives them money and shit values. There are worse things in life than poverty in my opinion. And id much rather have people believing in the greater good of man than believing in the familiy's wellbeing. What a hellhole this world would be then. ( Or even more of a hellhole if you like) It's funny, I manage to agree with everyone you say, yet disagree because your reasoning fonction off of some critical assumptions that are not the case in China. Martyrdom that you describe really depends on luck rather than on "right vs wrong", if you end up getting screwed over by the system, than you can accomplish nothing for the world being a homeless man and abandoning your duty to your family. In fact you'd be an example to others to not ever be a "good person"...Do you have ANY idea how the communist party severly punished ANYONE who even remotely said ANYTHING wrong? My great-grandma was a rural school teacher. In the 50s, the communist called all intellectual to give them suggestions about how to run things. Many, like my great-grandma, denonced the over-authoritarian and uneducated approach of some communist officials (in her case, it was the school principal who abused his power quite a bit). This "calling" was a TRAP! Everyone who spoke against the ruling party has been labeled as "rightists", and were basically send to rot in the country. Their entire family was to be denied of all chances to make something out of their lives due to this label. At the time, my grandma, grandpa and their brothers and sisters were some of the most brillant (not to brag but true) students who had bright careers ahead of them, they were completely denied and spend years slaving away for peanuts. Even though years of hard work has paid off in many ways after the cultural revolution (which allowed them the means to send me and my parents to Canada eventually), their careers and the lives have been devastated by the label of "rightists". Please do not assume that the "greater good" can be called for anything against the power or the money, especially not in China. The source of the problems are social, and they can't be changed unless the the million things related to it all change, the new economical reforms has made everything 100x uglier. After everything that China has went through in the past century, I think its people has learned to be cautious of rash emotional zealotry, especially after the cultural revolution. The only permanent approach is to make sure that the next generation get shielded from all the crap, and so they can get an education to truly change how things work with thinkings similar to your own. Patience is key to the success of this process.
This is very true. In the context of this thread, the 2006 Nanjing judge set the precedent for the non-caring passerbys. The good Samaritan back then became the "martyr" and set the example of what happens if this does get brought up to the court.
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On October 19 2011 11:10 meegrean wrote:
I'm pretty sure this kind of stuff can happen in any country around the world. At least it got covered in the media.
It doesn't make the government look bad (at least not directly), of course it got covered ^^
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On October 19 2011 11:27 synapse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 11:10 meegrean wrote:
I'm pretty sure this kind of stuff can happen in any country around the world. At least it got covered in the media. It doesn't make the government look bad (at least not directly), of course it got covered ^^
lol at least not directly....
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On October 19 2011 11:06 RavenLoud wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 10:23 c24papa wrote:On October 19 2011 10:03 Blasterion wrote:On October 19 2011 09:49 c24papa wrote:On October 19 2011 09:15 Blasterion wrote:On October 19 2011 09:13 SilentchiLL wrote:On October 19 2011 09:10 Blasterion wrote:On October 19 2011 09:03 Magic_Mike wrote:On October 19 2011 09:00 madcow305 wrote:On October 19 2011 08:58 SilentchiLL wrote:
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The question is, do I need more?
I want to be able to look in the mirror and be proud, I don't want to lay in my bed and have regrets and there's no way that I would want to get reminded of the bleeding 2 year old little girl I left lying on the street to die, everytime I see a child. So you help, parents sue you, fuked up Chinese courts rule against you, you pay 500,000 euro a year for the rest of your life. Then 5 years later, when your kids are following you around the slums while you dig through garbage cans for dinner, your wife asks you how they got in this mess. Your reply? "It was the right thing to do." See how long she and her children can live off those words. As long as it takes. People have lived off of much worse. At least she has a husband with character and integrity. And someone with that sort of integrity will no doubt be able to survive such a horrific loss of money. Someone who always does the right thing will find a way. I feel naught but pity then, because a man's first duty is to protect their family so that doesn't happen. Hmm atleast it was made obvious now why our opinions are so different, I always thought that it's the first duty of a man to do what's right. The term "right" is extremely subjective, tell me your definition of this right of yours, I can clearly define exactly what I should be doing and that is what's in the best interest of my family, but I am eager to learn this right that you speak of Yeah, everything is relative and all that. Being so hostile against our "western morale", emotional nonesense and how "stupid ignorant euro kids and american redneck know nothing about China" does not make you any more right or wrong, so why dont you tone down your condesending BS. While I agree that your logical argument on why they are behaving as they are indeed valid, so are many other logical reasoning for doing things. Theifs stealing to provide for their familiy, use the reasoning that the are protecting and providing for their familiy Scammers scamming people for their familiy, use the reasoning that the are protecting and providing for their familiy Robber robbing a grocery shop, for their familiy, use the reasoning that the are protecting and providing for their familiy Hitmen making a living kiling people for their familiy, use the reasoning that the are protecting and providing for their familiy Leaders of crime syndicates doing horrible things to others without the slightest regard for others, for their familiy, use the reasoning that the are protecting and providing for their familiy. Hell while we are at it Stalin and Hitler killed millions and millions people, for their familiy (The third Reich and Sovjet in this case) use the reasoning that the are protecting and providing for their familiy By your argument these are all valid logical reasonings, which they may as well be, but even you can see a big difference from doing right from wrong and that logical reason is not what matters in some cases, especially when it comes to human lives.. Everything can be explained in some off sense of necessity for protect or providing in any crime. Doesnt make it any more right or wrong. My opinion is that they are egosentric cowards whom should look in disgust at themselves everytime they look in the mirror. Id rather look in a poor mans mirror with pride and selfworth than in a rich mans mirror knowing i have killed a baby. But as you so nicely put it, thats just me being a moral-faggot That's exactly it though since because of your morals you lost sight of what you truly should be protecting. This isn't just you it's you and your family, your parents' retirement fund, your children's future education. If you are willing to risk all that, I have every right to define it as moral faggotry Great job not addressing my real point.. But to what you addressed, then of course you have the right to do that. And I have the right to define the reasoning you present as cowardness, naive, shortsighted and egosentric. What I truly should be protecting? Do you have the right answer on who and what I should protect? Are your priorities better than mine because you only want to protect your familiy and i see a bigger scale picture? Funny how my morals have made me lost sight of what your morals defines as "what I truly should be protecting". The way I see it I am protecting humanity, my culture, my society and what I believe in by acting like I would like all those around me to act. Something I am pretty sure you cant say the same about.How can I want everyone else to act after my morals and values and in the way I would like otfers to behave if I do not do it myself? I have only one life that I know of and I will spend it according to the morale I wish others after me should have. I would rather be a father that gives my children good values and little money than a father that gives them money and shit values. There are worse things in life than poverty in my opinion. And id much rather have people believing in the greater good of man than believing in the familiy's wellbeing. What a hellhole this world would be then. ( Or even more of a hellhole if you like) It's funny, I manage to agree with everyone you say, yet disagree because your reasoning fonction off of some critical assumptions that are not the case in China. Martyrdom that you describe really depends on luck rather than on "right vs wrong", if you end up getting screwed over by the system, than you can accomplish nothing for the world being a homeless man and abandoning your duty to your family. In fact you'd be an example to others to not ever be a "good person"... Do you have ANY idea how the communist party severly punished ANYONE who even remotely said ANYTHING wrong? My great-grandma was a rural school teacher. In the 50s, the communist called all intellectual to give them suggestions about how to run things. Many, like my great-grandma, denonced the over-authoritarian and uneducated approach of some communist officials (in her case, it was the school principal who abused his power quite a bit). This "calling" was a TRAP! Everyone who spoke against the ruling party has been labeled as "rightists", and were basically send to rot in the country. Their entire family was to be denied of all chances to make something out of their lives due to this label. At the time, my grandma, grandpa and their brothers and sisters were some of the most brillant (not to brag but true) students who had bright careers ahead of them, they were completely denied and spend years slaving away for peanuts. Even though years of hard work has paid off in many ways after the cultural revolution (which allowed them the means to send me and my parents to Canada eventually), their careers and the lives have been devastated by the label of "rightists". Please do not assume that the "greater good" can be called for anything against the power or the money, especially not in China. The source of the problems are social, and they can't be changed unless the the million things related to it all change, the new economical reforms has made everything 100x uglier. After everything that China has went through in the past century, I think its people has learned to be cautious of rash emotional zealotry, especially after the cultural revolution. The only permanent approach is to make sure that the next generation get shielded from all the crap, and so they can get an education to truly change how things work with thinkings similar to your own. Patience is key to the success of this process.
Only a quick answer to your post. Need to go to sleep.
First paragraph:
- Its not luck, its people in the system abusing it and the system that is at fault. What lies behind the reasoning for abusing it are something else like socioeconomic difficulties and whatever. No such thing as luck.
- The accomplishment is in itself being a good man, not to seek attention for it
Second and third paragraph:
- I am not speaking of the greater good in some altristic philosophy, I am not saying kill 10 to save 100. What I am saying is that I want good to happen others and that i act as how I consider a good man should act. More like Kants philosophy than the big greater picture. I want to actually act according to the morale I preach and strive after.
Last paragraph:
- I am not speculating in the reasons behind their logic and problems they may have. I only give my perspective on the matter of this little girl. I know China has a lot of problems, but thats not what I am discussing.
This will be my last post as this has gone very very off topic, and I want to respect the severety of the insident by not partisipating in the flaming and off topis discussion anymore.
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This thread is so offtopic... Its astounding
From muggings to insults, its a flamefest ladies and gents...
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Just ran into this interesting nugget:
One of these may be considered egocentric. You decide. Bold = my edit.
On October 19 2011 10:34 SilentchiLL wrote:
I wouldn't call Blasterion egocentric, his views are very different to ours, but in his own way he's a pretty good person too, I don't know if it's a cultural thing that he's so focussed on the family or if it belongs to him as a person, but he truly seems to care about his relatives.
Everyone has different reasons for acting the way he does, I do it because it feels good(/right) to do it, but for him it might be different, while I think that he would probably feel not very good if he'd leave the little girl to die on the middle of the street too, I know that he sees it in a wider picture, which barriers are defined by the members of his family insteadm while you see the whole society and act like a good example c24papa.
VS
On October 19 2011 09:17 Blasterion wrote:
A coward with his family fed, his children schooled vs a brave that has thrown away his family, his children and their future, you yourself be the judge, I will speak no more of this
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To those wondering why China keeps getting singled out - it's a media/internet effect.
Things like this, and worse, happen across the world. It just so happens that China is in the spotlight right now, and both the Chinese and Western media/internet loves to sensationalize "moral outrages" like these. Of course, the opposite - those cases where people get hurt and those around them do help - rarely make the news.
With 1.4 billion people in China and a rapidly growing cell phone video capture culture, you expect to see a lot of incidents demonstrating the dark side of human behavior. I mean, China has more people than Europe and NA combined - and if we combine the dark side of Europe and NA in the media, you'll probably arrive at the impression that the West is a terrible place, as well.
That's not to say the social pathologies of China aren't in the least due to China's social and political system. The 2006 ruling someone pointed to above no doubt has an effect. And it's probably this ruling that helped make this incident all the more sensational, to begin with.
But compare how much you hear about society in China to how much you hear about society in the rest of the developing world, and it's pretty obvious that China is simply in the media spotlight right now, and that's why their society, politics, etc. are being scrutinized.
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On October 19 2011 08:59 freddievercetti wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 08:52 Moldwood wrote:
Say what you will about the corrupt justice system, scamming, etc. If you walked by the girl and actually looked at her (which many of the people in the video clearly did) and saw parts of her body crushed and BLOODY TIRE TRACKS then --
HOW in god's name... could this POSSIBLY be a scam of some sort. To use all of the above excuses to rationalize NOT DRAGGING HER OFF THE ROAD is inhuman. Period. It might not be a scam, but conversely, suppose that the camera was not there to record the entire situation for us to view. Should the parents of that girl decide to sue the rescuer, it would become a case of he said she said. Since the 2006 Nanjing judge ruled in favor of compensation for an injured woman who fell down off the bus against the man who helped her to the hospital, as well as a few similar recurring cases(there was one case that was laid off since there was an actual recording like this one), people have been stigmatized into thinking first before acting.
You can move the girl, call an ambulance to the location, and leave.
At the least.
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On October 19 2011 12:32 Moldwood wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 08:59 freddievercetti wrote:On October 19 2011 08:52 Moldwood wrote:
Say what you will about the corrupt justice system, scamming, etc. If you walked by the girl and actually looked at her (which many of the people in the video clearly did) and saw parts of her body crushed and BLOODY TIRE TRACKS then --
HOW in god's name... could this POSSIBLY be a scam of some sort. To use all of the above excuses to rationalize NOT DRAGGING HER OFF THE ROAD is inhuman. Period. It might not be a scam, but conversely, suppose that the camera was not there to record the entire situation for us to view. Should the parents of that girl decide to sue the rescuer, it would become a case of he said she said. Since the 2006 Nanjing judge ruled in favor of compensation for an injured woman who fell down off the bus against the man who helped her to the hospital, as well as a few similar recurring cases(there was one case that was laid off since there was an actual recording like this one), people have been stigmatized into thinking first before acting. You can move the girl, call an ambulance to the location, and leave.
Even touching them, you risk the chance of being called a kidnapper. Although I do agree with calling the ambulance, if they cant trace your number.
Edit: Also. To those who say they would save the child even if it meant sacrificing your own children. So all those memories and loving times with your children, you would throw it away in a hard-beat? If you are such a knight templar to put your own children through hell, be my guest. If you don't have children or a wife or family, then you do what you feel is right.
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Sorry but this a a pretty common psychological phenomenon called the bystander effect where bystanders don't help out because people in the crowd assume someone else in the crowd is going to help out.
One horrifying example of this is the murder of Kitty Genovese in 1964 in New York. I'm not certain about how many witnesses but I am pretty sure it was at least 10 or more who all did absolutely nothing to help her. They did not call or seek assistance in any way. A neighbor called out telling the guy to stop, so the rapist fled but returned and found her where he left her so he finished the assault.
Saying how it seems barbaric to US citizens makes it seem like you think all people in America are heroes compared to the Chinese when in fact the same social psychological concepts apply equally. The main factor in the likelihood of receiving aid during an emergency is how many people there are. More people generally equals much less chance of aid. Although this is not the only factor.
For instance if there was a crowded bar and someone had some sort of medical emergency a doctor would most likely help no matter how many people were and weren't there. However, no specialized education is required to call the police so everyone felt someone else would do it.
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this is really disturbing. i don't understand... 18 passersby and no one noticed, half of her body is still moving.
and i wonder what the parents are doing? where are the little girl's parents when this thing happened... very sad 
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This is terrible... I cannot believe no one actually helped her for along while...The person who ran her over stopped... then just kept going... Terrible... ((
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On October 19 2011 12:32 Moldwood wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 08:59 freddievercetti wrote:On October 19 2011 08:52 Moldwood wrote:
Say what you will about the corrupt justice system, scamming, etc. If you walked by the girl and actually looked at her (which many of the people in the video clearly did) and saw parts of her body crushed and BLOODY TIRE TRACKS then --
HOW in god's name... could this POSSIBLY be a scam of some sort. To use all of the above excuses to rationalize NOT DRAGGING HER OFF THE ROAD is inhuman. Period. It might not be a scam, but conversely, suppose that the camera was not there to record the entire situation for us to view. Should the parents of that girl decide to sue the rescuer, it would become a case of he said she said. Since the 2006 Nanjing judge ruled in favor of compensation for an injured woman who fell down off the bus against the man who helped her to the hospital, as well as a few similar recurring cases(there was one case that was laid off since there was an actual recording like this one), people have been stigmatized into thinking first before acting. You can move the girl, call an ambulance to the location, and leave. At the least.
No, You do not randomly move accident victims, you're being more harmful than helpful, unless there is shit burning next to them or will explode or something you do not move them.when you are crushed like that a part of your body is like splattered and plastered on to the pavement and any movement done by unprofessionals, e.g. You, will likely to further injure the victim.
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On October 19 2011 12:57 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 12:32 Moldwood wrote:On October 19 2011 08:59 freddievercetti wrote:On October 19 2011 08:52 Moldwood wrote:
Say what you will about the corrupt justice system, scamming, etc. If you walked by the girl and actually looked at her (which many of the people in the video clearly did) and saw parts of her body crushed and BLOODY TIRE TRACKS then --
HOW in god's name... could this POSSIBLY be a scam of some sort. To use all of the above excuses to rationalize NOT DRAGGING HER OFF THE ROAD is inhuman. Period. It might not be a scam, but conversely, suppose that the camera was not there to record the entire situation for us to view. Should the parents of that girl decide to sue the rescuer, it would become a case of he said she said. Since the 2006 Nanjing judge ruled in favor of compensation for an injured woman who fell down off the bus against the man who helped her to the hospital, as well as a few similar recurring cases(there was one case that was laid off since there was an actual recording like this one), people have been stigmatized into thinking first before acting. You can move the girl, call an ambulance to the location, and leave. At the least. No, You do not randomly move accident victims, you're being more harmful than helpful, unless there is shit burning next to them or will explode or something you do not move them.when you are crushed like that a part of your body is like splattered and plastered on to the pavement and any movement done by unprofessionals, e.g. You, will likely to further injure the victim.
Wow... you must have read the government guidance on "how to handle a fallen elderly"!
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Regarding turning a blind eye... Everyone here is just as guilty. Each night when we go to sleep, 30,000 children in Africa die of starvation. Yet we spend $80 on Starcraft II, which could have gone towards sponsoring a child for two months. Do we feel guilty about this? Generally not.
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On October 19 2011 13:13 DarkwindHK wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 12:57 Blasterion wrote:On October 19 2011 12:32 Moldwood wrote:On October 19 2011 08:59 freddievercetti wrote:On October 19 2011 08:52 Moldwood wrote:
Say what you will about the corrupt justice system, scamming, etc. If you walked by the girl and actually looked at her (which many of the people in the video clearly did) and saw parts of her body crushed and BLOODY TIRE TRACKS then --
HOW in god's name... could this POSSIBLY be a scam of some sort. To use all of the above excuses to rationalize NOT DRAGGING HER OFF THE ROAD is inhuman. Period. It might not be a scam, but conversely, suppose that the camera was not there to record the entire situation for us to view. Should the parents of that girl decide to sue the rescuer, it would become a case of he said she said. Since the 2006 Nanjing judge ruled in favor of compensation for an injured woman who fell down off the bus against the man who helped her to the hospital, as well as a few similar recurring cases(there was one case that was laid off since there was an actual recording like this one), people have been stigmatized into thinking first before acting. You can move the girl, call an ambulance to the location, and leave. At the least. No, You do not randomly move accident victims, you're being more harmful than helpful, unless there is shit burning next to them or will explode or something you do not move them.when you are crushed like that a part of your body is like splattered and plastered on to the pavement and any movement done by unprofessionals, e.g. You, will likely to further injure the victim. Wow... you must have read the government guidance on "how to handle a fallen elderly"!
Actually it's common knowledge that you're not supposed to move somebody that has been in a car accident. Of course you're also not supposed to let them get run over by the next car coming down the road.
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Seriously. Everyone can talk like they're saints on the internet, but real life has shown that time after time that people act selfishly out of self-preservation. The human race could not have existed if people were altruistic and not being selfish.
No normal person would risk helping a stranger at the risk of own ruin. If I were put in that same situation, I would've screamed for her parents. And if no one shows up, I would've called the ambulance. But there was no way I would've done anything more knowing I can be implicated for something that may ruin me.
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On October 19 2011 13:13 DarkwindHK wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 12:57 Blasterion wrote:On October 19 2011 12:32 Moldwood wrote:On October 19 2011 08:59 freddievercetti wrote:On October 19 2011 08:52 Moldwood wrote:
Say what you will about the corrupt justice system, scamming, etc. If you walked by the girl and actually looked at her (which many of the people in the video clearly did) and saw parts of her body crushed and BLOODY TIRE TRACKS then --
HOW in god's name... could this POSSIBLY be a scam of some sort. To use all of the above excuses to rationalize NOT DRAGGING HER OFF THE ROAD is inhuman. Period. It might not be a scam, but conversely, suppose that the camera was not there to record the entire situation for us to view. Should the parents of that girl decide to sue the rescuer, it would become a case of he said she said. Since the 2006 Nanjing judge ruled in favor of compensation for an injured woman who fell down off the bus against the man who helped her to the hospital, as well as a few similar recurring cases(there was one case that was laid off since there was an actual recording like this one), people have been stigmatized into thinking first before acting. You can move the girl, call an ambulance to the location, and leave. At the least. No, You do not randomly move accident victims, you're being more harmful than helpful, unless there is shit burning next to them or will explode or something you do not move them.when you are crushed like that a part of your body is like splattered and plastered on to the pavement and any movement done by unprofessionals, e.g. You, will likely to further injure the victim. Wow... you must have read the government guidance on "how to handle a fallen elderly"!
Umm... He states the truth. It actually is more harmful in general to move such a person in such an instance unless you have medical training.
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