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On October 19 2011 15:10 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 13:13 DarkwindHK wrote:On October 19 2011 12:57 Blasterion wrote:On October 19 2011 12:32 Moldwood wrote:On October 19 2011 08:59 freddievercetti wrote:On October 19 2011 08:52 Moldwood wrote: Say what you will about the corrupt justice system, scamming, etc. If you walked by the girl and actually looked at her (which many of the people in the video clearly did) and saw parts of her body crushed and BLOODY TIRE TRACKS then --
HOW in god's name... could this POSSIBLY be a scam of some sort. To use all of the above excuses to rationalize NOT DRAGGING HER OFF THE ROAD is inhuman. Period. It might not be a scam, but conversely, suppose that the camera was not there to record the entire situation for us to view. Should the parents of that girl decide to sue the rescuer, it would become a case of he said she said. Since the 2006 Nanjing judge ruled in favor of compensation for an injured woman who fell down off the bus against the man who helped her to the hospital, as well as a few similar recurring cases(there was one case that was laid off since there was an actual recording like this one), people have been stigmatized into thinking first before acting. You can move the girl, call an ambulance to the location, and leave. At the least. No, You do not randomly move accident victims, you're being more harmful than helpful, unless there is shit burning next to them or will explode or something you do not move them.when you are crushed like that a part of your body is like splattered and plastered on to the pavement and any movement done by unprofessionals, e.g. You, will likely to further injure the victim. Wow... you must have read the government guidance on "how to handle a fallen elderly"! Umm... He states the truth. It actually is more harmful in general to move such a person in such an instance unless you have medical training.
Everyone remember R.I.C.E. whenever you are forced into a situation where you MUST move bodies! ...Dam, that's ironic as hell.
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OMG! This story has been driving me crazy the last 2 days, i mean it was just really bring me down. I open it again today to find that the baby girl is still alive and i am overjoyed, also to see that the drivers are getting in trouble, thank god.
Just goes to show, there is bad AND good in the world. XD
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Well lets see... the proper way to deal with the situation:
- Perform first aid on the child, call and wait for the ambulance to come while preventing future cars from hitting her.
Chance that someone knew first aid? < 1% Chance that someone had a cell phone with them to call for help? <20% ( yeah, unlike people here, not everyone has a cell phone) Chance that someone will risk their life to stand in the middle of a 'lawless' road and stop incoming cars from hitting them? 0%
You see, no one really have the ability to properly deal with the situation and nobody would risk their own life, so they just do what every normal person would do: Ignore it and assume that someone else will take care of it.
Guess what? They were right.. because someone else did manage to take care of it. Maybe not as readily as one would like but someone did take care of it.
If you guys want to blame this accident on someone blame it on the parents.
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What the fuck did you see those people just walk by and not even take a notice. Even if they are abandoning her, I would feel less disturbed if they actually showed some panic or emotion before doing so, but just carrying on nonchalantly is...
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I don't think anyone wants to be blamed for this. That's why they ignore it.
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This is tragic.
Shame on people using at as an excuse to vent their ignorant prejudices.
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I just want to point out that most people in China actually want to help, but do not dare to. 99% of the responses on chinese forums were cries of outrage much like this thread. Also just as an example to show that we the Chinese are not cold-hearted indifferent assholes, a while ago there was a train accident. Since passerbys obviously could not be blamed for this, about 1000 people rushed to the scene to help out, while hundreds more went to the hospitals in the middle of the night to donate blood.
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is it really that common for chinese people to backstab someone that helped them? Is it for the money or do they genuinely believe that anyone who helps a stranger in china must be suspected? And did they seriously ruled that "common sense" dictates that the culprit of the crime would be the one that is likely to help out? So ass backwards.. :/
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On October 19 2011 17:46 gameguard wrote: is it really that common for chinese people to backstab someone that helped them? Is it for the money or do they genuinely believe that anyone who helps a stranger in china must be suspected? And did they seriously ruled that "common sense" dictates that the culprit of the crime would be the one that is likely to help out? So ass backwards.. :/
unfortunately the answer to most of those is yes. as people have pointed out the 06 case was ruled based on common sense. the communist party and the cultural revolution fucked us up bad....i wish we could go back to the good old days...seriously man for thousands of years china was a civilized, cultured society with strong moral values. the past 100 years really screwed with things.
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I just saw the video right now. My heart just dropped and I can't even play sc2 because of this.
Such a fucked up world we live in.
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On October 19 2011 13:13 DarkwindHK wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 12:57 Blasterion wrote:On October 19 2011 12:32 Moldwood wrote:On October 19 2011 08:59 freddievercetti wrote:On October 19 2011 08:52 Moldwood wrote: Say what you will about the corrupt justice system, scamming, etc. If you walked by the girl and actually looked at her (which many of the people in the video clearly did) and saw parts of her body crushed and BLOODY TIRE TRACKS then --
HOW in god's name... could this POSSIBLY be a scam of some sort. To use all of the above excuses to rationalize NOT DRAGGING HER OFF THE ROAD is inhuman. Period. It might not be a scam, but conversely, suppose that the camera was not there to record the entire situation for us to view. Should the parents of that girl decide to sue the rescuer, it would become a case of he said she said. Since the 2006 Nanjing judge ruled in favor of compensation for an injured woman who fell down off the bus against the man who helped her to the hospital, as well as a few similar recurring cases(there was one case that was laid off since there was an actual recording like this one), people have been stigmatized into thinking first before acting. You can move the girl, call an ambulance to the location, and leave. At the least. No, You do not randomly move accident victims, you're being more harmful than helpful, unless there is shit burning next to them or will explode or something you do not move them.when you are crushed like that a part of your body is like splattered and plastered on to the pavement and any movement done by unprofessionals, e.g. You, will likely to further injure the victim. Wow... you must have read the government guidance on "how to handle a fallen elderly"! We are not talking about traffic accident victims anymore?
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Just watched the vid and I mean, if you didn't see the car hit the kid or the incident it just looks like a child wailing in the middle of the street. Not like some sort of accident victim. The civilians who didn't do anything cannot be blamed, in my opinion. Too hard to tell what happened unless you saw the actual crushing take place.
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On October 19 2011 17:40 fuzzy_panda wrote: I just want to point out that most people in China actually want to help, but do not dare to. 99% of the responses on chinese forums were cries of outrage much like this thread. Also just as an example to show that we the Chinese are not cold-hearted indifferent assholes, a while ago there was a train accident. Since passerbys obviously could not be blamed for this, about 1000 people rushed to the scene to help out, while hundreds more went to the hospitals in the middle of the night to donate blood.
This is also very true. Particularly the train incident, which was on news everywhere awhile ago (the new highspeed rail crash where the government tried to bury it even though a survivor kid was found in the train just 24 hours after the crash when the bury process was about to begin) There is a story of an old man who similarly fell down on the streets, no one dared to help him. It took the old man to shout out "I fell down of my own fault, I won't sue any one of you for helping me back up!" and the crowd of spectators that gathered finally helped that old man back up.
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I don't know what to say as i fear that this thread is slowly falling into semi-racism. I find the video horrifying and I stopped a few seconds in. No matter where this happened it is a tragedy. I only hope that the parents of the child feel terrible for what has occurred and that they are somehow punished for allowing this child to walk out into a street on his own. I would also like to note the distance and time between when the car start and when the child was hit. There was plenty of time to stop.
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On October 19 2011 11:37 SilverLeagueElite wrote:Just ran into this interesting nugget: One of these may be considered egocentric. You decide. Bold = my edit. Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 10:34 SilentchiLL wrote: I wouldn't call Blasterion egocentric, his views are very different to ours, but in his own way he's a pretty good person too, I don't know if it's a cultural thing that he's so focussed on the family or if it belongs to him as a person, but he truly seems to care about his relatives. Everyone has different reasons for acting the way he does, I do it because it feels good(/right) to do it, but for him it might be different, while I think that he would probably feel not very good if he'd leave the little girl to die on the middle of the street too, I know that he sees it in a wider picture, which barriers are defined by the members of his family insteadm while you see the whole society and act like a good example c24papa.
VS Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 09:17 Blasterion wrote: A coward with his family fed, his children schooled vs a brave that has thrown away his family, his children and their future, you yourself be the judge, I will speak no more of this
How I feel about it actually doesn't matter, it's just the indicator which shows me which route to take. I do it because what's right always stays right for me, and helping a bleeding girl which was run over by a car and lateron another car because nobody pulled her away will always be right.
EDIT: I never demanded of others to go my way in their life, neither did I call him a coward or egocentric.
EDIT2: You may want to read all of the posts of this discussion, it started several pages back
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Yangcheng Evening News quoted the man who first struck Yue Yue as saying, "If it was you who hit someone, you'd run too. You can see the little girl, looking around when she walked. If she walked properly, how could I hit her?"
Jesus Christ, what a fucking scumbag.
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On October 19 2011 23:28 matjlav wrote:Show nested quote +Yangcheng Evening News quoted the man who first struck Yue Yue as saying, "If it was you who hit someone, you'd run too. You can see the little girl, looking around when she walked. If she walked properly, how could I hit her?" Jesus Christ, what a fucking scumbag. What I found even worse was running over the kid, stopping, and proceeding to run over the kid a second time with the rear tires
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On October 19 2011 23:50 101toss wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 23:28 matjlav wrote:Yangcheng Evening News quoted the man who first struck Yue Yue as saying, "If it was you who hit someone, you'd run too. You can see the little girl, looking around when she walked. If she walked properly, how could I hit her?" Jesus Christ, what a fucking scumbag. What I found even worse was running over the kid, stopping, and proceeding to run over the kid a second time with the rear tires here's the train of thought Driver: oh shit I hit some one, thinks a moment, I might as well kill her so I just pay a fatality fine vs a mountain of medical bills. /accelerator
I wish there was some way to encourage save the life, idk maybe make fatality fine higher, or a lighter sentence for saving what you harmed would work
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I cant believe all the people in here that are actually trying to make excuses for why people did what they did. Or should I say didnt do what they could / should have. One comment was well unless you saw the child get hit all you would think was it was a child in the road crying. Well guess what? a 2 year old child in the road by themselves is an issue dont you think? Ridiculous...
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On October 20 2011 00:02 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 23:50 101toss wrote:On October 19 2011 23:28 matjlav wrote:Yangcheng Evening News quoted the man who first struck Yue Yue as saying, "If it was you who hit someone, you'd run too. You can see the little girl, looking around when she walked. If she walked properly, how could I hit her?" Jesus Christ, what a fucking scumbag. What I found even worse was running over the kid, stopping, and proceeding to run over the kid a second time with the rear tires here's the train of thought Driver: oh shit I hit some one, thinks a moment, I might as well kill her so I just pay a fatality fine vs a mountain of medical bills. /accelerator I wish there was some way to encourage save the life, idk maybe make fatality fine higher, or a lighter sentence for saving what you harmed would work Well, the lady who helped her got rewarded with 1000+ dollars
and also a fixed work, I think thats contributing a bit more towards influncing people to help those that are in need.
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