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So, I ventured out into the world, and met this super cool Australian chick at a bar. We talked, got along quite well, and eventually left the bar and hung out outside (it was daytime). We walked to the park, threw a Frisbee back and fourth. Then, sat down, eventually started cuddling, kissed. It was awesome. Then, she had to go. So, I walked her to her car, we made out some, and I made sure I had the right phone number from her. She drove off.
I texted her a few times. She didn't respond.
I think I had an amazing connection with her, and then she vanished.
I FB stalked her to see if I could figure out why. Her profile picture was taken 2 years ago, and it's her in a wedding dress. What....
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On August 01 2018 08:46 ThunderJunk wrote: So, I ventured out into the world, and met this super cool Australian chick at a bar. We talked, got along quite well, and eventually left the bar and hung out outside (it was daytime). We walked to the park, threw a Frisbee back and fourth. Then, sat down, eventually started cuddling, kissed. It was awesome. Then, she had to go. So, I walked her to her car, we made out some, and I made sure I had the right phone number from her. She drove off.
I texted her a few times. She didn't respond.
I think I had an amazing connection with her, and then she vanished. <<This right here is where the story should've stopped.
I FB stalked her to see if I could figure out why. Her profile picture was taken 2 years ago, and it's her in a wedding dress. What.... Well, see the quote. When a girl disappears/flakes/whatevers on you and didn't say why, it's not your job to find out. You just shrug, say whatever, and move on. And hope the next encounter goes differently. You never need to find out where someone went if they're actually into you.
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heh, felt like I read the synopsis to a romance movie. Frisbee throwing is cute, is that common in AU?
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<Quoted myself by accident>
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On August 01 2018 08:55 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2018 08:46 ThunderJunk wrote: So, I ventured out into the world, and met this super cool Australian chick at a bar. We talked, got along quite well, and eventually left the bar and hung out outside (it was daytime). We walked to the park, threw a Frisbee back and fourth. Then, sat down, eventually started cuddling, kissed. It was awesome. Then, she had to go. So, I walked her to her car, we made out some, and I made sure I had the right phone number from her. She drove off.
I texted her a few times. She didn't respond.
I think I had an amazing connection with her, and then she vanished. <<This right here is where the story should've stopped.
I FB stalked her to see if I could figure out why. Her profile picture was taken 2 years ago, and it's her in a wedding dress. What.... Well, see the quote. When a girl disappears/flakes/whatevers on you and didn't say why, it's not your job to find out. You just shrug, say whatever, and move on. And hope the next encounter goes differently. You never need to find out where someone went if they're actually into you.
Thanks. I'll remember that one. Not my job.
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On August 01 2018 12:58 ThunderJunk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2018 08:55 NewSunshine wrote:On August 01 2018 08:46 ThunderJunk wrote: So, I ventured out into the world, and met this super cool Australian chick at a bar. We talked, got along quite well, and eventually left the bar and hung out outside (it was daytime). We walked to the park, threw a Frisbee back and fourth. Then, sat down, eventually started cuddling, kissed. It was awesome. Then, she had to go. So, I walked her to her car, we made out some, and I made sure I had the right phone number from her. She drove off.
I texted her a few times. She didn't respond.
I think I had an amazing connection with her, and then she vanished. <<This right here is where the story should've stopped.
I FB stalked her to see if I could figure out why. Her profile picture was taken 2 years ago, and it's her in a wedding dress. What.... Well, see the quote. When a girl disappears/flakes/whatevers on you and didn't say why, it's not your job to find out. You just shrug, say whatever, and move on. And hope the next encounter goes differently. You never need to find out where someone went if they're actually into you. Thanks. I'll remember that one. Not my job.
Yeah, get a detective.
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"Don't stick your dick on crazy" a common men's rule that we are familia with. Many of us just laugh and say "true" and then don't think much about it. It is not until too late that one discovers that is not to take lightly, that it is indeed the best dating advice you could get, and that you shouldn't do it once, or just for a while, or ignore the signs and say "nah, she's not crazy", cause then it will be too late.
To others in this thread, listen to Lemon and DarkPlasmaBall advice, if they still post around here. Wish I had.
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On August 01 2018 08:55 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2018 08:46 ThunderJunk wrote: So, I ventured out into the world, and met this super cool Australian chick at a bar. We talked, got along quite well, and eventually left the bar and hung out outside (it was daytime). We walked to the park, threw a Frisbee back and fourth. Then, sat down, eventually started cuddling, kissed. It was awesome. Then, she had to go. So, I walked her to her car, we made out some, and I made sure I had the right phone number from her. She drove off.
I texted her a few times. She didn't respond.
I think I had an amazing connection with her, and then she vanished. <<This right here is where the story should've stopped.
I FB stalked her to see if I could figure out why. Her profile picture was taken 2 years ago, and it's her in a wedding dress. What.... Well, see the quote. When a girl disappears/flakes/whatevers on you and didn't say why, it's not your job to find out. You just shrug, say whatever, and move on. And hope the next encounter goes differently. You never need to find out where someone went if they're actually into you.
Generally I agree with this advice, but my psyche thanks you for the resolution.
PS don't mess it up by saying her status was "complicated"
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On August 01 2018 08:46 ThunderJunk wrote: So, I ventured out into the world, and met this super cool Australian chick at a bar. We talked, got along quite well, and eventually left the bar and hung out outside (it was daytime). We walked to the park, threw a Frisbee back and fourth. Then, sat down, eventually started cuddling, kissed. It was awesome. Then, she had to go. So, I walked her to her car, we made out some, and I made sure I had the right phone number from her. She drove off.
I texted her a few times. She didn't respond.
I think I had an amazing connection with her, and then she vanished.
I FB stalked her to see if I could figure out why. Her profile picture was taken 2 years ago, and it's her in a wedding dress. What....
I feel for you man, and I wish I had a good answer for you. When something like this happens it's soooo confusing, like getting gaslighted. The confusing part is what kills me, I hate not knowing why something didn't work out...
Most people are terrified to speak how they feel openly to another.
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On August 01 2018 08:46 ThunderJunk wrote: So, I ventured out into the world, and met this super cool Australian chick at a bar. We talked, got along quite well, and eventually left the bar and hung out outside (it was daytime). We walked to the park, threw a Frisbee back and fourth. Then, sat down, eventually started cuddling, kissed. It was awesome. Then, she had to go. So, I walked her to her car, we made out some, and I made sure I had the right phone number from her. She drove off.
I texted her a few times. She didn't respond.
I think I had an amazing connection with her, and then she vanished.
I FB stalked her to see if I could figure out why. Her profile picture was taken 2 years ago, and it's her in a wedding dress. What.... maybe you could give me her details and ill track her down for you. "hey, youre the guy who hooked up with my mate at tl and left him. how dare you"
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On August 02 2018 13:13 ShambhalaWar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2018 08:46 ThunderJunk wrote: So, I ventured out into the world, and met this super cool Australian chick at a bar. We talked, got along quite well, and eventually left the bar and hung out outside (it was daytime). We walked to the park, threw a Frisbee back and fourth. Then, sat down, eventually started cuddling, kissed. It was awesome. Then, she had to go. So, I walked her to her car, we made out some, and I made sure I had the right phone number from her. She drove off.
I texted her a few times. She didn't respond.
I think I had an amazing connection with her, and then she vanished.
I FB stalked her to see if I could figure out why. Her profile picture was taken 2 years ago, and it's her in a wedding dress. What.... I feel for you man, and I wish I had a good answer for you. When something like this happens it's soooo confusing, like getting gaslighted. The confusing part is what kills me, I hate not knowing why something didn't work out... Most people are terrified to speak how they feel openly to another.
Yeah man. I would love to know how to change myself to avoid having this happen again. With no specific feedback, it's really tricky. I think it is a good thing to let it go, not overthink it, and just try again with other people. If I connect sincerely, then losing that connection hurts. No way around that. I went over in my mind a few times what might have went wrong, but at the end of the day if it was meant to work out it would, and it didn't, so I need to let it go. No other choice.
I've come to this conclusion: The mature thing is generally to provide feedback, but it's also tricky because so many men tilt towards anger to dominate. So, how is she supposed to know I'm not that kind of guy? With no mutual friends, I can't expect to learn anything from anyone. I can just be what I am and get what I get from that. Deeper relationships require shared perspectives, like from mutual friends, to keep things consistent enough off which to base meaning through an adaptive use of trust. Or blind dumb luck, as in a leap of faith. Australian girl was not willing to make such a leap for me for reasons I will never be sure of.
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After a few days of schedule wrangling I finally had a wonderful date with a pretty lady Monday. Everything is going well - great conversation, we're laughing, we both think the other's career is very interesting, we're finding similar interests and priorities, etc. etc. She orders a second glass of wine, we keep talking. All good. We both have to leave and get to other commitments but I message her later that night with a joke about her adult kickball league and to ask her out again.
"Had a great time blah blah but I didn't feel a spark so I don't want to waste your time."
I have to say this is the most infuriating thing about dating, getting this nebulously definite shut down. You clearly were having a great time, you knew what I looked like before you met up with me (if anything I look better in person though I have no delusions about being a 10), and you say you're looking for someone smart and mature. If you didn't think I was attractive, then why did we have this date in the first place? So smart, mature, and "sparky?"
I wish women understood that the entire dating power dynamic has shifted 100000000% in their favor and they just went out and took what they wanted. (And that dating apps deleted/didn't show dormant profiles)
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Move on. She did not feel a spark and doesn't lead you on, which you would have complained about here in 4 weeks or so when she would've ended it, still not feeling a spark. If you don't have butterflies in your stomach while talking or at the thought of seein each other again, maybe, just maybe, this isn't it for you.
Maybe it also is a polite way of declining and trying to hurt less with a pretty reasonable and apersonal answer. Power dynamic shifting is a ridiculous assertion in the wake of male violence against women who dismiss their advances.
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On August 02 2018 16:15 Artisreal wrote: Move on. She did not feel a spark and doesn't lead you on, which you would have complained about here in 4 weeks or so when she would've ended it, still not feeling a spark. If you don't have butterflies in your stomach while talking or at the thought of seein each other again, maybe, just maybe, this isn't it for you.
Maybe it also is a polite way of declining and trying to hurt less with a pretty reasonable and apersonal answer. Power dynamic shifting is a ridiculous assertion in the wake of male violence against women who dismiss their advances.
Of course I'm moving on, it was 1 date with a rando from the internet. I'm more pissed at the ridiculous behavior of the dating population on the whole and the idiotic conceptions of love and relationships floating around.
I don't believe "butterflies in the stomach" is a predictor for healthy adult relationships. We're not 16 year old horn dogs, we're 30+ year old professionals looking for someone to marry and have children with. Love at first sight is a lie; for many people attraction develops over time, and a second date isn't four weeks... Quite the contrary - spark is a bullshit meaningless word; say nothing at all and just unmatch with me.
There's nothing ridiculous at all in the assertion that women have all of the advantage in online dating. For the vast majority of guys it's a race to the bottom of the barrel. This article is about tinder, but all the other apps have switched to a tinder like "swipe right" approach to matching people.
https://medium.com/@worstonlinedater/tinder-experiments-ii-guys-unless-you-are-really-hot-you-are-probably-better-off-not-wasting-your-2ddf370a6e9a
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/soloish/wp/2016/08/17/this-is-what-online-dating-is-like-when-youre-not-gorgeous-or-ugly-but-average/?utm_term=.ab0a9f0a4669
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/soloish/wp/2016/03/21/go-ahead-ladies-make-the-first-move-youll-date-more-attractive-men/?utm_term=.653839965497
Man on woman violence doesn't have anything to do with matching with people on an online dating service who you aren't actually interested in; you don't have to meet with anyone you aren't actually attracted to. Even on women focused apps like Bumble, women match and then never send a message. Makes no sense at all.
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Pretty sure you would be ranting regardless of how she refused you. And pretty sure she did the right thing. You were obviously not matching.
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Oh, you were at the bar with us Monday night? What'd you think of the beer mate? Or if you're just clairvoyant who's going to win TI? What did you think of our conversation after she told me she wasn't interested?
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On August 02 2018 16:59 Bigtony wrote: Oh, you were at the bar with us Monday night? What'd you think of the beer mate? Or if you're just clairvoyant who's going to win TI? What did you think of our conversation after she told me she wasn't interested?
Well... looks like she wasn't as intrigued by you.
Guys like you should finally stop feeling like they are owed anything. You simply aren't.
The dating partner does not owe anyone an explanation or even a thorough argument about their reasonings for dumping the other. I remember the horror of breaking up with my former gf, who felt like she had to argue my reasons (and what she then implied to be my reasons against everything I said) and about everything. And this was after a 2 year relationship.
But in modern dating, most girls have to go through this basically twice a week, because every guy they met at a bar once now wants a detailed reasoning for their refusal and then wants to tell them how they are wrong. And half of them enter rage mode regardless of what is said. Giving a simple reasoning that can't be argued against (like "Sparks didnt fly" regardless of not liking your nose, your smell, your character or your sex appeal) is the easiest shield against this behavior. Some may also just do it, because they don't feel like hurting the other person over just one date. If you met a girl once and felt like you could never go anywhere with her in public, because her voice is obnoxious, would you really tell her after that one date? Or would you not also just make up something? Now of course this fucks over the few guys, who were just honestly asking for a reasoning and would have left with that knowledge peacefully. But well... I can understand every girl not feeling like trying it out again and again, if this is the one guy who reacts kindly. Especially after you decided that this isn't the person to share your time with.
Now of course you can turn this into multiple pages of argument here on TL. But in the end, this won't get you any further. The game is played as it is and no matter your arguments the world won't change for you. Also there are indeed good reasons for how the game is played, which you obviously don't accept, but that won't matter either. It is up to you, do you want to play and to win? Or do you want to be the guy who loses and then always bitches on the ref in the post match interview?
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On August 02 2018 17:28 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2018 16:59 Bigtony wrote: Oh, you were at the bar with us Monday night? What'd you think of the beer mate? Or if you're just clairvoyant who's going to win TI? What did you think of our conversation after she told me she wasn't interested? Well... looks like she wasn't as intrigued by you. Guys like you should finally stop feeling like they are owed anything. You simply aren't. The dating partner does not owe anyone an explanation or even a thorough argument about their reasonings for dumping the other. I remember the horror of breaking up with my former gf, who felt like she had to argue my reasons (and what she then implied to be my reasons against everything I said) and about everything. And this was after a 2 year relationship. But in modern dating, most girls have to go through this basically twice a week, because every guy they met at a bar once now wants a detailed reasoning for their refusal and then wants to tell them how they are wrong. And half of them enter rage mode regardless of what is said. Giving a simple reasoning that can't be argued against (like "Sparks didnt fly" regardless of not liking your nose, your smell, your character or your sex appeal) is the easiest shield against this behavior. Some may also just do it, because they don't feel like hurting the other person over just one date. If you met a girl once and felt like you could never go anywhere with her in public, because her voice is obnoxious, would you really tell her after that one date? Or would you not also just make up something? Now of course this fucks over the few guys, who were just honestly asking for a reasoning and would have left with that knowledge peacefully. But well... I can understand every girl not feeling like trying it out again and again, if this is the one guy who reacts kindly. Especially after you decided that this isn't the person to share your time with. Now of course you can turn this into multiple pages of argument here on TL. But in the end, this won't get you any further. The game is played as it is and no matter your arguments the world won't change for you. Also there are indeed good reasons for how the game is played, which you obviously don't accept, but that won't matter either. It is up to you, do you want to play and to win? Or do you want to be the guy who loses and then always bitches on the ref in the post match interview?
You could probably write a few dozen generic explanations that apply to every guy that feels they need this type of stuff. Whatever it was, it was for the best. Either it was something legitimate for which there's nothing you could do, or it's something superficial or petty for which you dodged a bullet. (This presumes something genuinely went well)
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On August 02 2018 16:31 Bigtony wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2018 16:15 Artisreal wrote: Move on. She did not feel a spark and doesn't lead you on, which you would have complained about here in 4 weeks or so when she would've ended it, still not feeling a spark. If you don't have butterflies in your stomach while talking or at the thought of seein each other again, maybe, just maybe, this isn't it for you.
Maybe it also is a polite way of declining and trying to hurt less with a pretty reasonable and apersonal answer. Power dynamic shifting is a ridiculous assertion in the wake of male violence against women who dismiss their advances. Of course I'm moving on, it was 1 date with a rando from the internet. I'm more pissed at the ridiculous behavior of the dating population on the whole and the idiotic conceptions of love and relationships floating around. I don't believe "butterflies in the stomach" is a predictor for healthy adult relationships. We're not 16 year old horn dogs, we're 30+ year old professionals looking for someone to marry and have children with. Love at first sight is a lie; for many people attraction develops over time, and a second date isn't four weeks... Quite the contrary - spark is a bullshit meaningless word; say nothing at all and just unmatch with me. There's nothing ridiculous at all in the assertion that women have all of the advantage in online dating. For the vast majority of guys it's a race to the bottom of the barrel. This article is about tinder, but all the other apps have switched to a tinder like "swipe right" approach to matching people. https://medium.com/@worstonlinedater/tinder-experiments-ii-guys-unless-you-are-really-hot-you-are-probably-better-off-not-wasting-your-2ddf370a6e9ahttps://www.washingtonpost.com/news/soloish/wp/2016/08/17/this-is-what-online-dating-is-like-when-youre-not-gorgeous-or-ugly-but-average/?utm_term=.ab0a9f0a4669https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/soloish/wp/2016/03/21/go-ahead-ladies-make-the-first-move-youll-date-more-attractive-men/?utm_term=.653839965497Man on woman violence doesn't have anything to do with matching with people on an online dating service who you aren't actually interested in; you don't have to meet with anyone you aren't actually attracted to. Even on women focused apps like Bumble, women match and then never send a message. Makes no sense at all. I'm 30+ and 8 years into a relationship, married this year. I still have butterflies in my stomach when seeing her, when cuddling. You're entirely missing the point with your links regarding online dating. It's for a reason contact is cut abruptly and fear of repercussions is one of them. Not to read too much into your posts, but I'm fairly convinced that you'd have thrown a fit if she just unmatched you after the evening at the bar you had. I totally get that feedback is wanted and needed, though you simply cant force it on anyone. It's not the rules that make the game bad, it's how the game is played that force crappy rules.
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I think I'll just stop derailing the thread with my very typical and utterly banal online dating experience.
If you think my frustration with badly designed dating apps and poor communication makes me an entitled incel, then you've misunderstood my story and the entire point of this thread (the whole thread is whining at the ref in the post match interview).
You can eat your wild assumptions about my character with a shoe; we chatted for 3 hours after she said she wasn't interested and we're hanging out again - it just isn't a date.
I'm well aware that women have reasons to be cautious when turning people down. Luckily for everyone living in 2018, you can press "unmatch" and completely avoid this from the comfort of your own home, never to be seen again.
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