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We are extremely close to shutting down this thread for the same reasons the PUA thread was shut down. While some of the time this thread contains actual discussion with people asking help and people giving nice advice, it often gets derailed by rubbish that should not be here. The moderation team will be trying to steer this thread in a different direction from now on.

Posts of the following nature are banned:
1) ANYTHING regarding PUA. If your post contains the words 'alpha' or 'beta' or anything of that sort please don't hit post.
2) Stupid brags. You can tell us about your nice success stories with someone, but posts such as 'lol 50 Tinder matches' are a no-no.
3) Any misogynistic bullshit, including discussion about rape culture.
4) One night stands and random sex. These are basically brags that invariably devolve into gender role discussions and misogynistic comments.

Last chance, guys. This thread is for dating advice and sharing dating stories. While gender roles, sociocultural norms, and our biological imperative to reproduce are all tangentially related, these subjects are not the main purpose of the thread. Please AVOID these discussions. If you want to discuss them at length, go to PMs or start a blog. If you disagree with someone's ideologies, state that you disagree with them and why they won't work from a dating standpoint and move on. We will not tolerate any lengthy derailments that aren't directly about dating.
zJayy962
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1363 Posts
January 27 2013 03:06 GMT
#1781
Not sure if this is the place for relationship advice, but I'll give it a go. I've been in 1 relationship (serious one) my whole life. Been with her for almost 5 years now. Sex has always been great and I can barely keep up with her (she'll want it like 2 times a day everyday when we can see each other). She seems to be really happy though.

Now for the question. Though I don't know much about it, I've been reading and watching stuff on anal play for the last few months and I've brought it up jokingly to her. She seems to not like the idea but I've asked her if its on her "never will I ever" list of things she will never do and she said no. Now a few months have passed and I'm not sure if I should bring it up again. Not really sure on my next course of action. Any advice?
Shew
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States460 Posts
January 27 2013 03:10 GMT
#1782
i'm in a house of all men who can't even speak english, in a town of 2,000 people, with no car. Also, i'm wearing a fur hat.

How is your luck?
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sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
January 27 2013 03:44 GMT
#1783
On January 27 2013 11:43 pyrogenetix wrote:
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On January 27 2013 09:23 HardlyNever wrote:
On January 27 2013 07:16 Nerchio wrote:
On January 27 2013 06:08 HardlyNever wrote:
On January 26 2013 16:40 pyrogenetix wrote:
First gf was singaporean, super catholic. Started out long distance for 5 months then we got together for 5 months. At the time I was virgin never kissed never hugged girls before and studying in Sweden (lol blonde girls everywhere fuck me right) and she came as exchange. 5 months of terrible sex, she hated it and would only do it for me. She moved back to singapore and I came to Shanghai. We broke up after 2 months of long distance.

Came to Shanghai, started talking to girl A from samoa. We clicked and I ask her out 3 times and she says no so I think fuck that shit move the fuck on. Start talking to girl B who is korean. Super shy super quiet, language barrier. We get together but relationship lasts 1 month, awkward as fuck, nothing happened. She moves to another city (TianJin). Meet girl C also korean through a friend who tells me girl C thinks I'm hot. The same night I start banging girl C but we say strictly sex nothing else. We have the same classes but pretend like we don't know each other, meetup and bang after class. Start banging so fucking much I never would have dreamed I would be. We banged everyday, several times a day. Bang for 2 months, she wants to get into a relationship, I say no.

Meet girl D from vietnam who is girl A's neighbour. Thought we had something, turns out she's super strict and no action before marriage, so I got the fuck out.

Meet girl E half chinese half swedish at a bar. Start banging her after meeting up a few times, find out she is batshit insane, self inflicted scars everywhere, her room is a total mess (she finds stuff by just crawling around on her floor which is covered in all of her belongings) but I didn't care I was banging her tar out, and she deep throats. Find out she has a bf and got the fuck out after about a month.

All this time I regularly go talk to girl A about all kinds of shit except the other girls. Suddenly, out of nowhere, girl A says she liked me ever since girl B (lol jealousy works) and tried to play hard to get but then all these other girls started happening (she doesn't know about girl C and E) and she started getting mad cuz she was always hearing about how I use the common kitchen to cook a lot of food for the other girls.

Girl A wants us to be exclusive but no sex. I say sure no problem. After a month of massaging and cuddling, she says fuck it and we bang, and she says I'm the best shes ever had (she always thought I was a real clueless geek playing computer games all day) and we are happily together now for almost 5 months.

I used to be that fat awkward socially retarded kid back in school. For most of uni I was clueless with girls and would start sweating and freaking out at parties. I decided to start lifting heavy - best life decision ever. Body started changing slowly but confidence changed immediately.

The most "difficult" is that first girl, that first time you go "holy shit she is really liking me is this for real am I really having sex right now what the fuck" after that you start to see that girls are so insecure that you wonder why you were even nervous at all.


Best post in the thread. Especially the last part. I think one of the biggest misconceptions going on is that girls/women are some sort of other species or something that don't think/feel anything like you do. Wrong. They have insecurities and hang-ups (probably even more) just like you do. They are attracted (in general) to similar things that you are.

Way better advice than this fake PUA crap that seems to be filtering into this thread (wasn't there a separate thread for that?)

I agree about the ending, not sure how about the rest. Everything is perfect from animal-human perspective and having to meet your needs but if we talk about a real relationship, i didn't see a single sentence about that here.


Not really sure what that means. Almost anything is a "relationship" in the broadest sense. His relationship with "girl A" is pretty fleshed out, imo.

But I guess you can do "real relationship" like "no true Scotsman."

Yes exactly. A relationship can be anything really, even strictly platonic. I am in no way ready for a serious relationship and I think it would be a real waste of time for both me and the poor girl I would be leading on. When I arrive at the stage in my life where I feel I am mature enough to face the responsibility and consequences I will put a ring on someone. Until then I am happy to have casual relationships and I make that very clear to all the girls.

Anyway I wasn't going to go into the details of what I felt for each and every girl since this isn't a blog. I do realize I make it out to be a lot of mindless sex but I jumped over a lot of details just to get the basic storyline down.

I'm not writing this as a PUA lesson at all. It was just a post outlining what has happened and perhaps as a bit of encouragement to others who feel they are in a sort of a rut and cannot get out. I might write a more detailed blog about it later if anyone gives a shit.


The lifting heavy is such good god damn advice. There's like a level of mental requirement and focus you are required to reach in order to do it. The intensity can be transferred to other things in life. And the confidence that comes with lifting heavy is a rush. Going squatting tomorrow :D
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-27 03:47:53
January 27 2013 03:47 GMT
#1784
Oh wow this thread seems more trolltacular than I'd have imagined. Oh well.


So I'm really interested in a friend of my younger sister, who's 18 whereas I'm like 5 years older(This shouldn't be a problem, right?). I talk to her sometimes, not that often, have her phone number, text sometimes. I have ... no idea what to do if I were to attempt to hmm advance our relationship in some way? The idea of just asking something like "want to go out?" casN ually seems sort of ridiculous to me, but then again yeah... No idea at all what to do about this hrmh~
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Deleted User 183001
Profile Joined May 2011
2939 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-27 04:23:41
January 27 2013 03:50 GMT
#1785
Girls? No problem. I've had at least 20 girls since my breakup last January. The summer was particularly crazy. If by dating you mean pulling Commander Shepard's "we'll bang okay" on girls, then I'm living the life, supposedly.

The shitty thing is, that's not my intent. My intent is a real relationship. The problem is, all the girls who liked me I did not like (and for good reasons), the girls who I like don't necessarily like me because I'm not in a position (such as some organization) to spend a lot of time with them, and the girls who work out were just interested in banging. Most guys would ask, "Well, what's wrong with that?" Just going around with girls is completely empty and pointless if you actually step back and think about it. Eh, maybe one day I'll find a legit girl again.
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5710 Posts
January 27 2013 03:52 GMT
#1786
On January 27 2013 12:47 Shikyo wrote:
Oh wow this thread seems more trolltacular than I'd have imagined. Oh well.


So I'm really interested in a friend of my younger sister, who's 18 whereas I'm like 5 years older(This shouldn't be a problem, right?). I talk to her sometimes, not that often, have her phone number, text sometimes. I have ... no idea what to do if I were to attempt to hmm advance our relationship in some way? The idea of just asking something like "want to go out?" casN ually seems sort of ridiculous to me, but then again yeah... No idea at all what to do about this hrmh~


Seems to me you've established that your a normal guy to her and you know each other. Just straight up ask her if shes doing something next weekend etc and ask her if she wants to do something with you. Go to a mall, movie, get some dinner/lunch. It's probably cold where you live atm so I can't really advise going to a park or something but maybe some other winter activity if you have snow? Just think of something you both can do together and then take it from there. If she says shes not busy and she says that sounds like fun or w/e then she's basically given you the ok and you can work on the flirting etc lol.
Asato ma sad gamaya, tamaso ma jyotir gamaya, mrtyor mamrtam gamaya
pyrogenetix
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
China5094 Posts
January 27 2013 04:32 GMT
#1787
On January 27 2013 12:06 zJayy962 wrote:
Not sure if this is the place for relationship advice, but I'll give it a go. I've been in 1 relationship (serious one) my whole life. Been with her for almost 5 years now. Sex has always been great and I can barely keep up with her (she'll want it like 2 times a day everyday when we can see each other). She seems to be really happy though.

Now for the question. Though I don't know much about it, I've been reading and watching stuff on anal play for the last few months and I've brought it up jokingly to her. She seems to not like the idea but I've asked her if its on her "never will I ever" list of things she will never do and she said no. Now a few months have passed and I'm not sure if I should bring it up again. Not really sure on my next course of action. Any advice?

Forget about what you see in porno, the actresses have days to prepare and they stretch out their assholes right up until they come onto the scene, all ready and lubed up. Do not think that real life has anything to do with that.

This could take more time since she is now aware that you want anal sex. If she didn't have that warning this could have taken less time. It all depends on how comfortable she is about it. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't.

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Make your sex right now as kinky as possible. If all you do is missionary and you suddenly drop the anal bomb on her it's probably not gonna work. Taking baby steps towards anal. Not really sure what you're doing right now but you can do any combination of: blindfold, tie up her hands, tickle with feather, ice cubes, fruit, clothespins and then try different positions, maybe get drunk. Also give her massages, foot rubs, really take your time and let her feel safe and that she is much more to you than just for sex. This can take weeks.

After you have done all that and your sex is nice and lively you can start to slowly touch her anus.

Initiating anal touch would be best while you take showers together. Lather each other up, let her clean you and you clean her. Massage her whole body, taking your time, and then down to her butt cheeks and then just lightly slip a finger between her ass and brush against her asshole in a "I am cleaning you but you are sexy" kind of way. Make it short and light. Do not try to stick your finger in. If she doesn't seem to mind then do it a couple more times, and move onwards down her thigh, legs etc. The point is to not make it a big deal. If you can then makeout or bang in the shower. If she seems upset about anal touch then back off. The key is to slowly introduce anal sensations to her without her even realizing you are doing it to her.

Other times would be when you are banging or eating her out, and she starts to get near orgasm, just lightly making circles around her anus and then back off and let her cum. Usually she won't bring it up. Do this a few times when you have sex, this can take weeks. If she starts asking you after sex "hey what were you doing just now to my ass during sex?" just say something like "oh sorry girl, just caught up in the moment u know. why? you didn't like it?" Hopefully she will think about it a little and think it wasn't that bad. If she seems ok with it then go on to the next step.

When banging, best is doggy style but I'm sure other positions can be good too, when she is close to cumming, press a lubed finger (spit or pussy juice) on her anus and just slowly press it like a button, gently and firmly, maybe making small circles or other movements. Make her comfortable with this feeling and always be stimulating her vagina or clit in some way so that she will link the two sensations together. Again, try to do this while she is near cumming since most girls won't stop you at that time no matter what you are doing. If later on she is calm and asks you about it, admit to what you were doing but just shrug it off as something you didn't do deliberately. This can also take weeks.

If she finally seems comfortable with you touching her, you can try to put something in. This would also be the time to talk to her about anal play, saying how much it turns you on and how you will listen to her and stop when she asks to etc. Buy some lube, I like water based since if it goes thick and dry you can just spit on it. Oil based will get everywhere and takes ages to clean out. Start with something thin and smooth, a toy would be best since your finger is more textured and poop can get caught on your finger and that will most definitely freak her out and can set you back a lot of time. If you use your finger, put a condom over it. Going SLOWLY, don't even try to push too much, just gently massaging the area, the whole time fucking her slowly or licking her, using your hands on her belly, thigh or legs etc. Try to spread her attention as much as possible and not let her focus on her ass.

There are two sphincter muscles. The outer one you can see and she can consciously control, and the inner one she cannot control. Usually when it hurts it is the inner one that has not loosened up and it is being forced open. Ask her to push against the toy as if she is passing a bowel movement, this usually loosens the inner sphincter. If she cannot, then do not make a big fuss, just put everything aside and go back to vaginal sex and try another time. Once the toy slips past this part, the rest of it goes in rather easily, so do not rush. One small mistake and you hurting her could mean the end of your anal quest, she loses all the trust and sexual connections you have built up. Slip your toy in a little at a time, letting her get used to the feeling of something being inside her ass. There is no need to go very deep, the aim should be to gently loosen her sphincter muscle by using thicker objects. Again, butt plugs and sex toys are more suitable and safe for this reason.

Once you can get in a toy as thick as your dick, you can try getting your dick in. Too much lube is just the right amount of lube. Go slowly, a centimeter at a time, the whole time talking to her, asking if there is any pain, kissing her, caressing her, saying how good it feels, massage her clit, etc etc. If at any point she says to stop, do not pull out like an idiot, pull out very slowly as well. After you are completely inside, take a while for her to get used to it, and then start moving in short thrusts, very slowly. The anal membrane is very thin and tears easily, so go slowly. After a while she should be quite loose and you can go as fast as vaginal sex. Sometimes she can get even more loose, at which point it stops being any fun.

It is rather common for there to be a little blood, so don't freak out or anything if you two see any. If you two are squeamish about seeing poop then I would suggest a dark room with an old towel laid down, or even in the bathtub. Don't eat too much the day before. Light some scented candles to cover the smell of ass. And don't put anything that's been in her ass back into her vagina, bacteria and risk of infection.

Anyway good luck. Hope that helped.
Yea that looks just like Kang Min... amazing game sense... and uses mind games well, but has the micro of a washed up progamer.
after4ffect
Profile Joined March 2011
United States12 Posts
January 27 2013 04:48 GMT
#1788
What's dating?
Hollow Tips and Talons, when it rains it pours
DrPuff
Profile Joined January 2013
United States1 Post
January 27 2013 06:22 GMT
#1789
I met this girl and had a great time with her. I've gone on a few dates with her and had a blast. It seemed she was not ready for a relationship, and I'm definitely fine with that. I'm young! The problem is she is really shy and becoming very nervous about doing any activities with me because she simply doesn't want a relationship. From what I've seen, she doesn't hang out with anyone other than her roommates, and doesn't have any other even potential guys around her. I've since manned up and talked to her about this, how I don't want to be in some immediate relationship, but I really want to be a friend with her. I feel the conversation was well received by her, but this hasn't seemed to make a difference in her wanting to spend any time with me. During our class (I'm 20 and in college if that affects any of your advice for me) she seems to at least not hate me, or have any hidden emotions against me.

I've never had real problems with girls before, I'm very outgoing and social, so when I meet a girl this difficult to "court," per se, I usually just move on to another girl I click with better. I guess this explains why I am clueless on how to be with a shy girl. You guys know what it's like though, she is just something else and I can't forget about her. Any tips on how I can get to know her better, whether to simply become her friend, to test the waters and see if there is anything there for me, or even to eventually get into some relationship. I hope it's clear in the post though, I have no intent on 'one night stands' with any girls. That isn't my lifestyle.

I hope this post is relevant to the topic since I am asking advice, not just venting. Hopefully it's a win/win for the author/readers and I, you see how this silly little problem is driving me crazy (hopefully inspiring someone out there in his own life), and I will maybe overcome this roadblock in getting any closer to her.
abei1234
Profile Joined June 2011
United States89 Posts
January 27 2013 10:17 GMT
#1790
DrPuff - awesome first post. srsly. Hard to answer. The fact that youve been on a few "dates" with her is already a checkmark in the plus column. A minus could be that on these dates, she has determined that she doesn't want it to continue or progress further than just friends. I'm not sure why. There was a post a few pages back about how to make the "Friend-zone" work but I think that is actually not the right way to go about it. You are lucky that you aren't friend-zoned already. Trying to be her friend, given the conversation you had with her about some immediate relationship and to just be her friend would just solidify the lock into friendzone even more. It sounds like you're at the stage where you'll take whatever you can get from this girl. I dont know how to give a definitive answer on what to do next, but I would say just continue talking to her, use technology to your advantage, call her on the phone and have a brief 5-10 min convo and if you felt like it went well, do it again until they last longer. Facebook some funny stuff to her, just dont spam her with stuff. After things are progressing slowly, step it up a notch and ask her on another date - think of something you know she can't refuse based on what she likes, as a test, and if she refuses then you have to rethink your entire plan because it means she's not into you (as a boyfriend). Being friends is one thing and if you can get other girls as easily as you say then you can have this one as a friend and date another one, and that may even spark some jealousy in this one. She may not even realize how much she likes you until you stop trying to be with her.
abei1234
Uncultured
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1340 Posts
January 27 2013 10:25 GMT
#1791
On January 27 2013 12:06 zJayy962 wrote:
Not sure if this is the place for relationship advice, but I'll give it a go. I've been in 1 relationship (serious one) my whole life. Been with her for almost 5 years now. Sex has always been great and I can barely keep up with her (she'll want it like 2 times a day everyday when we can see each other). She seems to be really happy though.

Now for the question. Though I don't know much about it, I've been reading and watching stuff on anal play for the last few months and I've brought it up jokingly to her. She seems to not like the idea but I've asked her if its on her "never will I ever" list of things she will never do and she said no. Now a few months have passed and I'm not sure if I should bring it up again. Not really sure on my next course of action. Any advice?



Be straightforward and honest. Don't make it seem taboo and secrets like you are now. Explain to her the benifits, and that if she doesn't like it, it's perfectly okay.

It's just anal, it's not like you HAVE to try it.
Don't you rage when you lose too? -FruitDealer
TiTanIum_
Profile Joined August 2011
Brazil1335 Posts
January 27 2013 11:47 GMT
#1792
On January 27 2013 12:06 zJayy962 wrote:
Not sure if this is the place for relationship advice, but I'll give it a go. I've been in 1 relationship (serious one) my whole life. Been with her for almost 5 years now. Sex has always been great and I can barely keep up with her (she'll want it like 2 times a day everyday when we can see each other). She seems to be really happy though.

Now for the question. Though I don't know much about it, I've been reading and watching stuff on anal play for the last few months and I've brought it up jokingly to her. She seems to not like the idea but I've asked her if its on her "never will I ever" list of things she will never do and she said no. Now a few months have passed and I'm not sure if I should bring it up again. Not really sure on my next course of action. Any advice?


It isn't that good. Try if you will, don't force it on her.
Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
January 27 2013 21:31 GMT
#1793
On January 27 2013 12:47 Shikyo wrote:
Oh wow this thread seems more trolltacular than I'd have imagined. Oh well.


So I'm really interested in a friend of my younger sister, who's 18 whereas I'm like 5 years older(This shouldn't be a problem, right?). I talk to her sometimes, not that often, have her phone number, text sometimes. I have ... no idea what to do if I were to attempt to hmm advance our relationship in some way? The idea of just asking something like "want to go out?" casN ually seems sort of ridiculous to me, but then again yeah... No idea at all what to do about this hrmh~


Like others said, an "I'm bored, want to grab something to eat" or what are you doing/let's eat or something like that should be perfectly fine if you're already friends. If she freaks out at being asked to lunch/coffee then she's a little off anyways, imo.
Team Liquid, IM, ViOlet!
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
January 27 2013 22:23 GMT
#1794
i used to be the nice guy who would always call and be 100% up for a relationship, but recently i lost all and every interest in dating and havent met a girl that i would actually consider marrying for years.
Its a bit sad sometimes, but its also a bit liberating not having any strong feelings for someone.

Kinda funny, my younger sister who always slept around is living together with her boyfriend for over a year now.
Jisall
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2054 Posts
January 28 2013 03:44 GMT
#1795
On January 28 2013 07:23 LaNague wrote:
i used to be the nice guy who would always call and be 100% up for a relationship, but recently i lost all and every interest in dating and havent met a girl that i would actually consider marrying for years.
Its a bit sad sometimes, but its also a bit liberating not having any strong feelings for someone.

Kinda funny, my younger sister who always slept around is living together with her boyfriend for over a year now.


Can't be too judgemental on sleeping around. Recently since i stopped being judgemental about it, I have found myself with a girl (not girlfriend) who I could see myself being with as well as another girl I am currently exploring. Sleeping around is like shopping around for personalities.
Monk: Because being a badass is more fun then playing a dude wearing a scarf.. ... Ite fuck it, Witch Doctor cuz I like killing stuff in a timely mannor.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-28 05:10:14
January 28 2013 05:05 GMT
#1796
On January 28 2013 12:44 Jisall wrote:
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On January 28 2013 07:23 LaNague wrote:
i used to be the nice guy who would always call and be 100% up for a relationship, but recently i lost all and every interest in dating and havent met a girl that i would actually consider marrying for years.
Its a bit sad sometimes, but its also a bit liberating not having any strong feelings for someone.

Kinda funny, my younger sister who always slept around is living together with her boyfriend for over a year now.


Can't be too judgemental on sleeping around. Recently since i stopped being judgemental about it, I have found myself with a girl (not girlfriend) who I could see myself being with as well as another girl I am currently exploring. Sleeping around is like shopping around for personalities.

Sure, but that's like shopping for an apartment in the ghettos though isn't it? You start off and the girl is already known to sleep around, so right there it's not looking good for anything meaningful. And that's not me being a sexist, guys who sleep around may not necessarily have that goal of an actual solid long term relationship. I'm saying that the starting point is shallow and perhaps at least in many case it's also representative of what the person is expecting out of life at that moment.

Not sticking too closely to the apartment analogy, sure there's a chance you'll find a respectable girl by using the shotgun technique and one nighters, but from my admittedly limited experience, the quality ladies, without being prudes, have a tendency of being difficult because they're worth the work and they know it.

That being said I'm not judging people who have 1nighters for fun, if they're not looking for long-term, that's fine. But if you limit your "shopping around for personalities" to girls who'll sleep with you, maybe you're missing out.

Then again it's possible I'm only saying that because I've been failing at getting close to this one girl =(. Them smart ladies don't necessarily fall for the same BS that works on random club bimbos. =(((
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Jisall
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2054 Posts
January 28 2013 05:54 GMT
#1797
On January 28 2013 14:05 Djzapz wrote:
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On January 28 2013 12:44 Jisall wrote:
On January 28 2013 07:23 LaNague wrote:
i used to be the nice guy who would always call and be 100% up for a relationship, but recently i lost all and every interest in dating and havent met a girl that i would actually consider marrying for years.
Its a bit sad sometimes, but its also a bit liberating not having any strong feelings for someone.

Kinda funny, my younger sister who always slept around is living together with her boyfriend for over a year now.


Can't be too judgemental on sleeping around. Recently since i stopped being judgemental about it, I have found myself with a girl (not girlfriend) who I could see myself being with as well as another girl I am currently exploring. Sleeping around is like shopping around for personalities.

Sure, but that's like shopping for an apartment in the ghettos though isn't it? You start off and the girl is already known to sleep around, so right there it's not looking good for anything meaningful. And that's not me being a sexist, guys who sleep around may not necessarily have that goal of an actual solid long term relationship. I'm saying that the starting point is shallow and perhaps at least in many case it's also representative of what the person is expecting out of life at that moment.

Not sticking too closely to the apartment analogy, sure there's a chance you'll find a respectable girl by using the shotgun technique and one nighters, but from my admittedly limited experience, the quality ladies, without being prudes, have a tendency of being difficult because they're worth the work and they know it.

That being said I'm not judging people who have 1nighters for fun, if they're not looking for long-term, that's fine. But if you limit your "shopping around for personalities" to girls who'll sleep with you, maybe you're missing out.

Then again it's possible I'm only saying that because I've been failing at getting close to this one girl =(. Them smart ladies don't necessarily fall for the same BS that works on random club bimbos. =(((


The judgement that people who have one night stands are "ghetto" seeps threw. Everybody has sex, once you accept that you can look past how many sexual partners a woman has. 1-Night stands may be emotionless sex for some men, but that is far from the truth for most woman. Sex is a very emotional act for the lady. So the more emotional a woman is the more likely she is to have multiple partners who she has had strong feeling for. It is my opinion that a highly emotional women are the one's to keep. Most 1-night stands start out as a person trying to get to know another person, not just for sex. The base is far from shallow. Making a judgement call about what a woman/man would want out of a 1-night stand without knowing their emotions and motivation is presumptuous.

The shotgun approach however crude is just a way of going threw many woman's personalities to find which one best matches yours. In the end the woman respects you more because she see's that you are interested in her, not her body since you are comparing her to other ladies who have different bodies. It is more respectful to your special lady. 1-night stands are a way of showing how much two people can care for each other while understanding that they may not be the best match for each other, although the possibility of trying to make it work is there.

I don't feel like i'm missing out, I've had 1-night stands, I've had relationships that have failed the test of time over the years, and I am currently on the cusp of two new relationships. The hardest part is choosing which girl I like better.. That is where the majority of my stress in dating comes in.

There is no BS at a nightclub, all that game people spit, at its core is just a way of following the social norms and accepted suitor behavior. You meet the ladies friends and earn their trust threw stories and small talk that show that you are a good guy at heart, and do not have malicious intentions towards their friend. Then you talk to your desired lady and see how her personality aligns with your own. Kissing, Sex, and all the other physical stuff that goes along with it is just a way of showing the lady you are a gentleman who will not hurt her, and ultimately the choice is up to her. The willingness to take things one step at a time and giving her the ability to walk away at any time also shows how trustworthy and good a man you are.

Being judgemental about anything is the exact opposite way of going after a girl. By judging a girl you are telling her that the way her body is making her feel is wrong, and that she should correct it. Not only does that belittle the most attractive part about the fairer sex, it also is unfair to her. You are not accepting her fully for who she is, you just want to have a relationship with her body as you focus on molding her personality into one that suits you. That is the truly shallow way of going after a girl.

Again in my opinion the woman who are the keepers are the highly emotional ones. The ones who are in touch and confortable with their emotions. A woman's emotions make up around 90% of their beauty to me. That is why it is so important to let a lady express her emotions in whatever way she feels. By accepting her for who she is you are letting her become completely comfortable with you, to the point where she feels comfortable showing her body to you. A woman's physical beauty is their pride, it is how society judges them, so many woman are very self-conscious with their body. Revealing her body and knowing you will not judge her in any way lets a woman truely become free.
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vgijamven
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden95 Posts
January 28 2013 10:03 GMT
#1798
My background: (spoilered to keep the post short)
+ Show Spoiler +
I am a male unkissed virgin, 23 years old. Ever since I hit puberty I’ve been a very quiet and a bit of a anti-social person. Basically I was (and to some extend still am) the term “beta” personified. My looks are average at best, I’m fairly muscular, and I have 0 fashion sense. I spent a lot of my childhood playing games, and I basically spent all of my teenage years playing World of Warcraft with friends from my gymnasium (10 to 12th grade) class.
This has led to me not having many friends at all, altho the few friends that I have I am very close to. And I especially have never had any female friends or any experience in talking to women (besides my sister whom I’m also very close to).
My first encounter with love was brief during summer 2012, where I sort of fell in love with a woman at my summer job, but I quickly learned she was in fact a lesbian (that’s what I get for having a thing for women with short hair, eh?) so that love didn’t really have time to manifest, and I got over it quickly. Looking back, I think I basically fell in love with her because she was the first woman I’ve met who didn’t seem to mind talking to me, and looked at me for more than 0.1 seconds. (Full beta, or what?)


My situation:
So in August, I started a new education to become a .NET Software Engineer. In this class, there is this woman whom I sort of sit next to (one empty chair between us) furthest back in the classroom. I found her interesting from the beginning. During the autumn, I tried to find something to at least exchange some words with her every week, even though I had absolutely no idea how to talk to a girl. This went so-so.
Anyhow, when the 3rd course started around the beginning of November, we had a group assignment in which she and I decided to form a group, together with 2 others. This is where we added each other on Skype and really started talking to each other.
On Skype, she is very easy to talk to. It’s just as easy as talking to one of my closest friends. We can sometimes spend 1-3 hours talking about different stuff, asking each other questions and discussing stuff.
In school it was still difficult to talk to her. Not only because I have no clue how to talk to women, but I also realized after a while that she wasn’t really giving good responses for me to work with, to start up a conversation. Her answers were usually short and concise, and during breaks she seemed more interested in doing stuff on her smartphone and/or computer than talking to me. (To this day, I don’t think she has taken any initiative in starting a face-to-face conversation in school, but she does it all the time in Skype chats.)
After about a month, in the beginning of December, (on a Thursday evening) she mentions someone she refers to as her “date” she was going to meet that Friday evening. This is when I realized I was in love with her, as I felt the by now familiar feeling that is love, she had also introduced me to a new feeling – extreme jealousy. That weekend was one of my worst days of my life.
Today, I haven’t seen her since 21st of December. She is hardworking and talented, but she’s doesn’t come to school very often.

My problem:
After Week 7 we are going on internships that last til summer. This means I won’t see her again until the end of August. The mere thought of this is tearing me apart from the inside. I think of her ALL the time. Furthermore, the penultimate/next to last day before we head off to our internships is Valentine’s Day here in Sweden.
I can’t make my mind up if I’m gonna confess my feelings to her or not. With the Valentine’s Day timing, it almost feels “destined” to do so. But is there even a point to confessing your feelings to someone who already has a “special somebody”? Or is it even someone special? I have absolutely zero clue what a “date” is, or what her definition of the word is. I have no idea how serious they are in their “relationship”. I know they gave each other Christmas presents, that’s about it. Should I do it for the sake of myself, to hear her reject me so I can move on with my life? I’m 95% certain she has no feelings for me.

The two scenarios:
Don’t confess – I either “hope” her relationship doesn’t work and/or hope that she develops feelings for me over time. Or I dedicate this time where I won’t meet her to get over my feelings for her.
Confess – Which approach do I take? The cautious one “I wanted to say that I like you and am interested in you.”, or do I take the full-hearted approach “I have been in love with you for 2 months. I think about you all the time - you are the first thought when I wake up and the last before I fall asleep.”

If you read all this, thank you for your time. I tried to keep it short. Any advice would be appreciated, whatever that might be. I can’t really think straight when it comes to this woman.
"If it it's important, you'll find a way. If it's not, you'll find an excuse." -Daniel Decker
Deimos0
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Poland277 Posts
January 28 2013 10:16 GMT
#1799
On January 28 2013 19:03 vgijamven wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
My background: (spoilered to keep the post short)
+ Show Spoiler +
I am a male unkissed virgin, 23 years old. Ever since I hit puberty I’ve been a very quiet and a bit of a anti-social person. Basically I was (and to some extend still am) the term “beta” personified. My looks are average at best, I’m fairly muscular, and I have 0 fashion sense. I spent a lot of my childhood playing games, and I basically spent all of my teenage years playing World of Warcraft with friends from my gymnasium (10 to 12th grade) class.
This has led to me not having many friends at all, altho the few friends that I have I am very close to. And I especially have never had any female friends or any experience in talking to women (besides my sister whom I’m also very close to).
My first encounter with love was brief during summer 2012, where I sort of fell in love with a woman at my summer job, but I quickly learned she was in fact a lesbian (that’s what I get for having a thing for women with short hair, eh?) so that love didn’t really have time to manifest, and I got over it quickly. Looking back, I think I basically fell in love with her because she was the first woman I’ve met who didn’t seem to mind talking to me, and looked at me for more than 0.1 seconds. (Full beta, or what?)


My situation:
So in August, I started a new education to become a .NET Software Engineer. In this class, there is this woman whom I sort of sit next to (one empty chair between us) furthest back in the classroom. I found her interesting from the beginning. During the autumn, I tried to find something to at least exchange some words with her every week, even though I had absolutely no idea how to talk to a girl. This went so-so.
Anyhow, when the 3rd course started around the beginning of November, we had a group assignment in which she and I decided to form a group, together with 2 others. This is where we added each other on Skype and really started talking to each other.
On Skype, she is very easy to talk to. It’s just as easy as talking to one of my closest friends. We can sometimes spend 1-3 hours talking about different stuff, asking each other questions and discussing stuff.
In school it was still difficult to talk to her. Not only because I have no clue how to talk to women, but I also realized after a while that she wasn’t really giving good responses for me to work with, to start up a conversation. Her answers were usually short and concise, and during breaks she seemed more interested in doing stuff on her smartphone and/or computer than talking to me. (To this day, I don’t think she has taken any initiative in starting a face-to-face conversation in school, but she does it all the time in Skype chats.)
After about a month, in the beginning of December, (on a Thursday evening) she mentions someone she refers to as her “date” she was going to meet that Friday evening. This is when I realized I was in love with her, as I felt the by now familiar feeling that is love, she had also introduced me to a new feeling – extreme jealousy. That weekend was one of my worst days of my life.
Today, I haven’t seen her since 21st of December. She is hardworking and talented, but she’s doesn’t come to school very often.

My problem:
After Week 7 we are going on internships that last til summer. This means I won’t see her again until the end of August. The mere thought of this is tearing me apart from the inside. I think of her ALL the time. Furthermore, the penultimate/next to last day before we head off to our internships is Valentine’s Day here in Sweden.
I can’t make my mind up if I’m gonna confess my feelings to her or not. With the Valentine’s Day timing, it almost feels “destined” to do so. But is there even a point to confessing your feelings to someone who already has a “special somebody”? Or is it even someone special? I have absolutely zero clue what a “date” is, or what her definition of the word is. I have no idea how serious they are in their “relationship”. I know they gave each other Christmas presents, that’s about it. Should I do it for the sake of myself, to hear her reject me so I can move on with my life? I’m 95% certain she has no feelings for me.

The two scenarios:
Don’t confess – I either “hope” her relationship doesn’t work and/or hope that she develops feelings for me over time. Or I dedicate this time where I won’t meet her to get over my feelings for her.
Confess – Which approach do I take? The cautious one “I wanted to say that I like you and am interested in you.”, or do I take the full-hearted approach “I have been in love with you for 2 months. I think about you all the time - you are the first thought when I wake up and the last before I fall asleep.”

If you read all this, thank you for your time. I tried to keep it short. Any advice would be appreciated, whatever that might be. I can’t really think straight when it comes to this woman.


Frankly, I've had problems like you. Now I think you shouldn't go all in with your confessions. Especially if you feel she's not interested in you. There always (well maybe not 100% always) are some signals that a girl likes you more than anyone. If she's dating someone and she didn't give you anything to think about then unfortunately I think you should let her go. I know it's not optimistic scenario, but judging from my own experience, it's pointless to let yourself get hurt over a woman, who's not going to share your feelings. You gained some experience, use it to find someone worth your efforts.
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jellybeanz
Profile Joined January 2013
United States4 Posts
January 28 2013 10:19 GMT
#1800
Find a bitch that works for you and keep her. Hope she's less crazy than the others. Hahaha
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