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On February 05 2016 16:24 FiWiFaKi wrote: Hey guys, do any of you have any experience finding a 3rd or 4th person for some less than vanilla type encounters? My lady and I have been together for three years, and I think we're reaching that point where though I might feel reluctant to share my precious, I don't have to worry whether I'll still be loved if she's stuffed by someone else.
Our University was doing "sex week", and we attended this seminar (it was actually abouts kinks), and I think it helped open up the conversation about this kind of stuff between one another.
Weve never done "hardcore" things as defined by the online community, but we do things like anal, very light bondage, spanking, and rough sex all-around, and are very open minded about this kind of stuff. I've always known my girlfriend liked stuff like ogres and threesomes... And hey, it might be fun, seeing her get plowed and destroyed like that, as well as opening the doors for things like a two girl threesome. Though maybe we would be more comfortable going the swinger route and finding a couple, that way, everyone's mentality in the act is quite similar, and potential nervousness and fears will be mutual.
Anyway, just seeing if anyone has any experience going about these things. Any guidance and advice to keep it fun, discrete, and safe would be appreciated. (disclaimer: I know these types of things aren't for everyone, and I'm not looking for advice of not doing it because it's dangerous for the relationship).
"Ogres" I fucking fell out of my chair haha.
Anyway, I had a friend who would cruise craigslist to be couple's black guy fantasy. It would usually involve exchanging photos, then a phone call, sometimes some sort of facetime/webcam, then meeting in a hotel or whatever.
I would suppose those are the basics from a logistics pov. They have clubs too (at least around here) where you pay a small fee and are able to meet/arrange things within a private community.
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You are looking for a guy or guys to plow your woman while you watch in the hope you can follow that up with a 2 ladies threesome? OK then.
And Luepert your girl sounds like she's a bit of an airhead. You accidentally send her a porn pic and she freaks out? That's stupid reasoning and an immature reaction.
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On February 05 2016 16:24 FiWiFaKi wrote: Hey guys, do any of you have any experience finding a 3rd or 4th person for some less than vanilla type encounters? My lady and I have been together for three years, and I think we're reaching that point where though I might feel reluctant to share my precious, I don't have to worry whether I'll still be loved if she's stuffed by someone else.
Our University was doing "sex week", and we attended this seminar (it was actually abouts kinks), and I think it helped open up the conversation about this kind of stuff between one another.
Weve never done "hardcore" things as defined by the online community, but we do things like anal, very light bondage, spanking, and rough sex all-around, and are very open minded about this kind of stuff. I've always known my girlfriend liked stuff like ogres and threesomes... And hey, it might be fun, seeing her get plowed and destroyed like that, as well as opening the doors for things like a two girl threesome. Though maybe we would be more comfortable going the swinger route and finding a couple, that way, everyone's mentality in the act is quite similar, and potential nervousness and fears will be mutual.
Anyway, just seeing if anyone has any experience going about these things. Any guidance and advice to keep it fun, discrete, and safe would be appreciated. (disclaimer: I know these types of things aren't for everyone, and I'm not looking for advice of not doing it because it's dangerous for the relationship).
please livestream your reaction to watching, and then your reaction when this deal doesnt work out that way
On February 05 2016 16:32 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2016 16:24 FiWiFaKi wrote: Hey guys, do any of you have any experience finding a 3rd or 4th person for some less than vanilla type encounters? My lady and I have been together for three years, and I think we're reaching that point where though I might feel reluctant to share my precious, I don't have to worry whether I'll still be loved if she's stuffed by someone else.
Our University was doing "sex week", and we attended this seminar (it was actually abouts kinks), and I think it helped open up the conversation about this kind of stuff between one another.
Weve never done "hardcore" things as defined by the online community, but we do things like anal, very light bondage, spanking, and rough sex all-around, and are very open minded about this kind of stuff. I've always known my girlfriend liked stuff like ogres and threesomes... And hey, it might be fun, seeing her get plowed and destroyed like that, as well as opening the doors for things like a two girl threesome. Though maybe we would be more comfortable going the swinger route and finding a couple, that way, everyone's mentality in the act is quite similar, and potential nervousness and fears will be mutual.
Anyway, just seeing if anyone has any experience going about these things. Any guidance and advice to keep it fun, discrete, and safe would be appreciated. (disclaimer: I know these types of things aren't for everyone, and I'm not looking for advice of not doing it because it's dangerous for the relationship). "Ogres" I fucking fell out of my chair haha. Anyway, I had a friend who would cruise craigslist to be couple's black guy fantasy. It would usually involve exchanging photos, then a phone call, sometimes some sort of facetime/webcam, then meeting in a hotel or whatever. I would suppose those are the basics from a logistics pov. They have clubs too (at least around here) where you pay a small fee and are able to meet/arrange things within a private community.
better yet, have gh's friend do it and let him record your reaction
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I don't think we need to kink shame.
But I would be sure you are up for it, half way through is a bad time to realize you're not into it. Probably start with going to a bar or whatever and just let her flirt with a guy (without you being obviously creepy) for the night a few times, maybe encourage her to have the guy grab her ass or whatever and see how it feels for you.
That alone might be enough to satisfy the kink and avoid bigger problems, and/or realize you're not a fan. Also if group stuff/swinging is something your considering I suggest you try the same thing (hitting on a lady or a guy if that's your thing) and see how she takes it.
Oh and I suppose I should mention you should come up with rules and probably keep it to strangers (with recent and clean tests). Can get awkward if you come home from work and she's on the phone with the guy who was banging her last night or whatever.
Oh and that costs extra Quantic
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On February 05 2016 17:21 B.I.G. wrote: And Luepert your girl sounds like she's a bit of an airhead. You accidentally send her a porn pic and she freaks out? That's stupid reasoning and an immature reaction.
well she's definitely not an airhead in the classical sense. She is getting engineering degree from a good college (as am I). But she comes from a very different culture and had never even seen porn in her while life. She's not a prude just very different background.
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not kink shaming at all im saying that's a whole lot of maybes and reluctants to go and do that. and when 'it might open up the doors for a 2 girl threesome' is part of the motivation i think it's entirely within the scope of this thread for us to all say uhhhh you sure you're doing this for the right reason.
granted there could be a whole lot of nuance im missing given that it is one post but that's not something that is advisable if you're doing it against your wishes to make a spouse happy vs because you're into that or think (independently of her saying it) that you might be.
that being said if you wanna go ahead and ignore what i am saying what gh said would be a 'safe' way to see how you feel because once she's in the middle of a spitroast you're gonna kind of be past the point of no return
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On February 05 2016 17:21 B.I.G. wrote: You are looking for a guy or guys to plow your woman while you watch in the hope you can follow that up with a 2 ladies threesome? OK then.
And Luepert your girl sounds like she's a bit of an airhead. You accidentally send her a porn pic and she freaks out? That's stupid reasoning and an immature reaction.
Ehhh most people I know would have an immediate "wtf?" reaction to something as unexpected and inappropriate as that.
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Yes, but would they stay mad for longer than like a minute, or shrug and laugh it off?
Not to mention it wasn't even naked or explicit.
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Plenty of people would be disturbed by it lol. It's not uncommon at all.
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Depends where you are.
In Europe I don't think it'd be a problem. Can't think of anyone in my extended friendship circle that would mind.
USA is of course a different story.
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@GreenHorizons
@B.I.G: Again, not the response I'm looking for, but for the sake of clarification, it'd be 1 guy, a couple, or a girl (likely another guy or a couple for the first time, much easier to find online also for obvious reasons), and I'd be taking part. I think it's something my girlfriend would like to try more than me, but I've never had a threesome, and I think it'd be fun to try a two girl one guy threesome as well. With normal people it'd be difficult to pursue, but it'd be fun to try and I'd like to have that opportunity in my life.
@QuanticHawk: I can see where you're coming from, but I've thought about it quite a bit, and obviously, the first time it brought up, I'm like... I'd get sad, I wouldn't like to see like that blah blah. I dunno, I think the average person takes a very idealistic approach to this topic - it's not like you don't masturbate to thoughts of other women on occasion, and people create this mental barrier for themselves of where it's wrong. But when you remove the love and emotions from it, and you do it for the thrill and pleasure, I think this type of thing can work. She asks me about permission for things that even seem excessive, she's very open with me, tells me what she did every day and when someone tried to hit on her etc, and I can tell that I'm far and away her number one... I think that holds a lot of people back is that the trust simply isn't all the way there.
@GreenHorizons (2nd reply): Hey, that's good advice, thanks. We are both straight (which as we've been searching some sites, seems to be like 50/50 of the couples we've found online trying the same kind of stuff are heterosexual also). It's tough to know whether they're safe though, since they can just kind of lie... With my girlfriend we agreed no sex before we both get tested, and we ended up breaking it, but at least there was a significant level of trust that was able to build up in that month or whatever before we had sex for the first time.
@QuanticHawk (2nd reply): I tried to explain in my reply to B.I.G. what I meant by that. I'm not saying do this for my girlfriend, so I can have a 2 girl threesome afterwards, I can see how it came off as that. I dunno, I'd just think that a lot of people might have some sort of fantasies they'd like to try, but they hide them away for fear of being judged, putting their partner in an uncomfortable position, etc. But having open communication and trying new things allows both people to be more open-minded, and be willing to explore new things. A relationship is important in my life that it brings me that stability and happiness that is difficult to describe, but at the same time, you might not want to potentially restrict your sexual desires for the rest of your life. I don't think that sex is the fabric that holds your entire relationship together, sure, it's an aspect, but I'd say it's more about that emotional connection that keeps you together, and intimate sex is something that can bring two people closer together.
I don't have self-esteem issues, I know myself, I know I have my flaws and blah blah, but fears like being scared that she will like the dick of someone else more, or someone will make her feel than I do, and she will leave me isn't really justified... That's the things you fear when there's incomplete trust in a relationship. Anyway, make know mistakes, I'm making several strongly opinionated points with little argument, but the thought process behind them is a lot more detailed than what I wrote here.
There's definitely risk involved like you say, and if it does go south, it's like you said, difficult to recover from something like that... And trying it on a smaller scale, then analyze our emotions about how we feel isn't a bad idea (thus lowering the risk of it going bad in the full-scale scenario). However, it's difficult to "test", like the example that was given previously of going to a bar and letting a guy flirt with her, because that implicates the guy has emotions for this girl... I don't want that, I want there to be an emotional disconnect between her and him, and only the physical arousal is invoked.
Anyway, appreciate the feedback guys, though in retrospect, not sure if this was the right place to go ask.
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Threesomes over rated imo
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Threesomes are definitely one of the most popular fantasies for men, but probably one of the biggest letdowns in practice.
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Honestly no, but based on the number of holes that women have vs. the number of dicks that men have, it sounds like orgies would be far better for women than men.
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we better prevent our women from having orgies then
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Haha I just mean that threesomes (2 women + 1 man) are a very typical male fantasy, and I wonder how frequently it's really just a cover for "Let me fuck another girl without calling it cheating on you... heck, I'll even let you watch!"
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another woman helps you get it up again faster. decrease the refractory period by upping the novelty
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I don't disagree
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On February 06 2016 02:34 FiWiFaKi wrote: @GreenHorizons
@B.I.G: Again, not the response I'm looking for, but for the sake of clarification, it'd be 1 guy, a couple, or a girl (likely another guy or a couple for the first time, much easier to find online also for obvious reasons), and I'd be taking part. I think it's something my girlfriend would like to try more than me, but I've never had a threesome, and I think it'd be fun to try a two girl one guy threesome as well. With normal people it'd be difficult to pursue, but it'd be fun to try and I'd like to have that opportunity in my life.
@QuanticHawk: I can see where you're coming from, but I've thought about it quite a bit, and obviously, the first time it brought up, I'm like... I'd get sad, I wouldn't like to see like that blah blah. I dunno, I think the average person takes a very idealistic approach to this topic - it's not like you don't masturbate to thoughts of other women on occasion, and people create this mental barrier for themselves of where it's wrong. But when you remove the love and emotions from it, and you do it for the thrill and pleasure, I think this type of thing can work. She asks me about permission for things that even seem excessive, she's very open with me, tells me what she did every day and when someone tried to hit on her etc, and I can tell that I'm far and away her number one... I think that holds a lot of people back is that the trust simply isn't all the way there.
@GreenHorizons (2nd reply): Hey, that's good advice, thanks. We are both straight (which as we've been searching some sites, seems to be like 50/50 of the couples we've found online trying the same kind of stuff are heterosexual also). It's tough to know whether they're safe though, since they can just kind of lie... With my girlfriend we agreed no sex before we both get tested, and we ended up breaking it, but at least there was a significant level of trust that was able to build up in that month or whatever before we had sex for the first time.
@QuanticHawk (2nd reply): I tried to explain in my reply to B.I.G. what I meant by that. I'm not saying do this for my girlfriend, so I can have a 2 girl threesome afterwards, I can see how it came off as that. I dunno, I'd just think that a lot of people might have some sort of fantasies they'd like to try, but they hide them away for fear of being judged, putting their partner in an uncomfortable position, etc. But having open communication and trying new things allows both people to be more open-minded, and be willing to explore new things. A relationship is important in my life that it brings me that stability and happiness that is difficult to describe, but at the same time, you might not want to potentially restrict your sexual desires for the rest of your life. I don't think that sex is the fabric that holds your entire relationship together, sure, it's an aspect, but I'd say it's more about that emotional connection that keeps you together, and intimate sex is something that can bring two people closer together.
I don't have self-esteem issues, I know myself, I know I have my flaws and blah blah, but fears like being scared that she will like the dick of someone else more, or someone will make her feel than I do, and she will leave me isn't really justified... That's the things you fear when there's incomplete trust in a relationship. Anyway, make know mistakes, I'm making several strongly opinionated points with little argument, but the thought process behind them is a lot more detailed than what I wrote here.
There's definitely risk involved like you say, and if it does go south, it's like you said, difficult to recover from something like that... And trying it on a smaller scale, then analyze our emotions about how we feel isn't a bad idea (thus lowering the risk of it going bad in the full-scale scenario). However, it's difficult to "test", like the example that was given previously of going to a bar and letting a guy flirt with her, because that implicates the guy has emotions for this girl... I don't want that, I want there to be an emotional disconnect between her and him, and only the physical arousal is invoked.
Anyway, appreciate the feedback guys, though in retrospect, not sure if this was the right place to go ask.
i get what you are saying and all that, and like i said it's just a very small glimpse so obviously we have little to go on. however, it's obvious that she's the one that brought it up. not saying you half self esteem issues or trying to play psychoanalyst or antying, just going on the little tidbits you've given. as far as trust, i think one could make a good arguement that an open relationship requires more of that.
as far as emotional attachment by flirting at a bar, i would say it's pretty minimal... people go up to each other in bars based on what they see. that comes later. and i would imagine in that scenario the conversation is going to be a touch different than most bar conversations.
basically what I am trying to say is that unless you've always had a fantasy or even passing interest of watching your gf get plowed by another dude before you met your current gf, you should really question and self analyze why you want to do this. i agree about not wanting to restrict sexual desires and what not 100%. the question is whose desire this is
i mean if you just wanna knock off a 2 girl threesome off your bucket list and think it's some kind of quid quo pro clarice thing and nothing more i'd still give it a lot of thought before hand. but i would say i know more than a few people who have tried that and there's a reason not many people do that stuff
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