Dating: How's your luck? - Page 762

On December 09 2015 22:26 herokiller_ wrote:
Another example, recently she told me she's going on a journey to europe, and invited me to go with her (just the two of us)
If I do rationalize our relationships, it would definitely be awkward to go on such a trip (for me, not for her it seems).

What is she thinking, really?

On December 10 2015 12:34 Yoz wrote:


Out of curiosity how old are you and the girls you're going after?

On December 10 2015 12:40 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
What do HB7 and HB8 stand for?

On December 10 2015 12:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:


Ah okay, thanks

It sounds like your technique of confidently approaching a girl, smiling, starting up a conversation, and then sealing the deal with a phone number sounds like it's working pretty well. There's no magic percentage of girls you're *supposed* to be able to pick up, and I also like the fact that you don't take it personally if they reject you, and you just move on relatively unfazed.

On December 10 2015 12:58 Ramiel wrote:


Thanks, it has worked very well for me in the past (its how I got my last gf now ex). Percentage of girls is something that i have been thinking about. Ideally if you can get a 60% pull rate, that would be amazing! So many variables to consider when trying it however.

Rejection is key. You are GOING to get rejected. The way I look at it, its their loss. It takes practice- but soon those things dont phase you. I have been rejected by a girl, walked down the street into another coffee shop- and gotten a number 10min later. Just don't take anything personal- and remember: The worst they can do is just walk away. Most of the time, cold approaching girls makes their day (Provided you don't act like a sleaze bag). Most girls (even if they reject you) Will say sorry / no thank you- and have a good day (assuming you respond in kind).

On December 10 2015 15:53 [Phantom] wrote:
So the trip to Europe...I agree that logic should tell you it's a bad idea. But idk, maybe try it? I mean if you like her are you going to regret not telling her later? But you need to be careful, as maybe it's simply because you don't have anyone else. Would it be worth it?

Although I must say that sometimes even though I know some choice isn't the best, I do it anyway because I just want to know what happens and I don't want to regret not doing it.. So if you really want to, do it, but we must warn you and you should be conscious about what you could be getting into.

About Ranier, that seems like a good aproach as girls value confidence a lot. I don't think you need to change your strategy or anything just keep doing it. It looks like a casual aproach but it seems you aren't looking for something casual. Is this your only way to meet women? Or are there other girls in your neighborhood or work that you could be interested in?


About that article of purposefully falling in love.. I don't think so. I think they were attracted already. Say what you want but the (sad?) truth is that there always needs to be a certain amount of attraction.

In my experience being close and letting your guard down does help to create a bond. I am one person who can easily be trusted and I've managed to get girls to tell me tons of stuff they wouldn't say to a stranger or even friends in the first or second date. But while it does creates a certain bound that makes the relationship (the way you treat and talk to each other) between you and her special, at least in my experience, it's not been enough. There is just so much more, that even if that girl told me all her dreams and deepest secrets, there is no guarantee of anything. In fact most of the times that has happened we didn't end up dating. Take my experience as anecdotal though, you mileage may very well vary.

Also I must say that if you want to get to know someone closely, asking those questions would be a very weird approach, and for the other person to not be weirded out they must already like you at least a little to accept it. Even though some questions are good, I think transforming them and taking a more organic approach would be better. In my experience it's not hard at all to make someone open up. Most of the time you just need to show you are willing to listen. It's funny because it feels as if people were only waiting to be asked.

On December 10 2015 16:47 jkillashark wrote:
First girlfriend at age 23. Engaged after 6 months. Happily married for two years so far. She's hot too. I'm the reacher and she's the settler. She insists that I'm the settler but that's because I make her laugh and treat her well.

Pays to wait guys. Don't dick around and mess yourself up emotionally. You don't even know the person you are until after college..

On December 10 2015 18:05 LemOn wrote:


1) Drop the 1-10 Scale. She either attracts you or doesn't and approach them all the same. That way you'll give a "6" the same chance as a "10" and you won't miss out on some awesome people. Conversely, when someone is a "10" you'll treat them the same and won't be intimidated by looks. Just forgetting about it altogether is simply healthier and will lead to a better approach. Treat the girls as people, not objects

2) The initial scripted line and routines are like training wheels on a bike. It helps you have artificial sense of confidence, get on the bike, but to start going really really fast you'll have to drop the training wheels sooner or later. I've always felt that when I go out the first few approaches I always needed it, but by far the best way to get to know women is mindfulness, going to her without anything scripted and acting genuinely on the spot, expressing what you feel and what's unique about her. That way you'll be way more original, will have more fun yourself, let your personality really come out, will notice what's unique about her, her reactions etc.

3) Speaking of success percentages. They suck - Ideally you want to be yourself, let your personality rip no matter what it is, drop scripted lines that get you "warm" responses from largest amounts of women. It seems like you're a trooper in terms of taking rejection (it really does get easy after first 3-5) so if you want awesome results I'd focus on ignoring results and don't be afraid to "polarize" when you approach - be yourself, be original, don't hide anything, say exactly what you mean. A lot of girls will hate you right off the bat, but sooner or later you'll find someone who's really into what you are, and that's what you really want whether it's a 1 night stand or potential relationship you're after.

Only thing I would measure when initially going out there for the first time is number of girls I spoke to as a measure of courage and that's it - spoke to 10 girls, success. No matter if you got 0 numbers , slept with 10 or married one of them.

On December 10 2015 20:27 Ramiel wrote:


Hmm i never thought about the 'hotness' scale as objectification. Its more of getting a basic mindset of where you and the girl is starting from. Ie. If you try and pull a HB2-HB4 you could more than likely vastly increase your pull rate. But would you be really satisfied? Physical attractiveness playes a huge role in dating and relationships imo.

As for 3 your thoughts seem to contradict all of my experience. While it certainly is important to be yourself, save that for the first / second date. Trying to pull numbers is a numbers / seduction game. Be playful, kind, and confident. Putting your soul on display could lead to bruises when rejection comes. Imo you can normally close a girl within 1/2 min of meeting her. By that time she has already decided if you are worthy in the first place. Lastly, in these early moments (in my experience at least) talking about yourself is a huge no. I always keep the conversation on her, and focused on her interest. That way she can become more comfortable as she talks more.

But hey, just my two cents

On December 10 2015 21:51 LemOn wrote:

Well yeah, it will lead to bruises when rejection comes (and it will come more often, guaranteed! And that's great!) that's why hiding behind numbers and routines is basically avoidance of pain/rejection and a sign of low confidence in it's own right. That's why it's good initially when your self-esteem is low, but once you are confident in who you are it becomes a burden that'll slow you down.

I guess if you have a limited time in which you want to get laid, quality relationships are not something you want, and your success rates are important in terms of raising your self-esteem e.g. after a breakup it might still be optimal to keep using routines, focusing on results, numbers, routines, how you come across and ratios. Even though that is questionable as well as by using that focus you are hindering the power of your sub-conscious mind that's way more powerful than your rational thinking.


What you are describing is a results oriented approach, where you "win" by closing with as many girls as possible while manipulating how you come off (EDIT: I know, because I've done that :D). An approach that even major players that were in "The Game" say is basically shit
Definitely recommend this, it's a pretty good listen to this podcast. And the way modern approach for men in regards to women is taking, where masculine honesty, mindfulness and polarizing is what most seem to agree on.

On December 11 2015 08:19 LemOn wrote:
It's December now
If you're still with her in the summer it would have been like 8 months since you are together.

Tbh when my chinese ex did that we've just done texts, and skype maybe a couple times during the 2 months. It's basically a non-issue you don't have to worry about, all you need is texts here and there and resume when she comes back

On December 11 2015 09:28 evilfatsh1t wrote:

not at all.
a 'few texts here and there' is nowhere near enough for a couple who are serious about each other. i mean thats how you break up with people. typically if you spend time away from your partner then you miss them more and want to talk to them more etc, and a few texts isnt going to be enough for either of them. if it was enough for you then your or your partner obviously werent as invested into the relationship

typically if you spend time away from your partner then you miss them more and want to talk to them more etc, and a few texts isnt going to be enough for either of them.