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We are extremely close to shutting down this thread for the same reasons the PUA thread was shut down. While some of the time this thread contains actual discussion with people asking help and people giving nice advice, it often gets derailed by rubbish that should not be here. The moderation team will be trying to steer this thread in a different direction from now on.

Posts of the following nature are banned:
1) ANYTHING regarding PUA. If your post contains the words 'alpha' or 'beta' or anything of that sort please don't hit post.
2) Stupid brags. You can tell us about your nice success stories with someone, but posts such as 'lol 50 Tinder matches' are a no-no.
3) Any misogynistic bullshit, including discussion about rape culture.
4) One night stands and random sex. These are basically brags that invariably devolve into gender role discussions and misogynistic comments.

Last chance, guys. This thread is for dating advice and sharing dating stories. While gender roles, sociocultural norms, and our biological imperative to reproduce are all tangentially related, these subjects are not the main purpose of the thread. Please AVOID these discussions. If you want to discuss them at length, go to PMs or start a blog. If you disagree with someone's ideologies, state that you disagree with them and why they won't work from a dating standpoint and move on. We will not tolerate any lengthy derailments that aren't directly about dating.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46620 Posts
December 10 2015 03:40 GMT
#15221
What do HB7 and HB8 stand for?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-10 03:42:18
December 10 2015 03:40 GMT
#15222
On December 09 2015 22:26 herokiller_ wrote:
Another example, recently she told me she's going on a journey to europe, and invited me to go with her (just the two of us)
If I do rationalize our relationships, it would definitely be awkward to go on such a trip (for me, not for her it seems).

What is she thinking, really?


It's very possible she might be thinking that you're one of her best friends and that you might enjoy a trip to Europe and that she doesn't want to go alone/doesn't feel comfortable going alone.

If you had a really good female friend-that was definitely not your type-and you were about to go on a trip to Europe, wouldn't it cross your mind to invite her? Especially if you were single. An international trip alone is probably less than half as fun as one with someone else.
Ramiel
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1220 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-10 03:51:33
December 10 2015 03:42 GMT
#15223
On December 10 2015 12:34 Yoz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2015 12:11 Ramiel wrote:
That is what I have so far fellas. Let me know if you see anything I can do to improve the hustle.


Out of curiosity how old are you and the girls you're going after?


Anywhere from 18-30 I don't have anything in mind. However if i had to choose 23+ for me

Edit: I am 26
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Ramiel
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1220 Posts
December 10 2015 03:42 GMT
#15224
On December 10 2015 12:40 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
What do HB7 and HB8 stand for?


HB= Hot Babe. The number behind indicates how attractive I find them physically on the 1-10 scale
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46620 Posts
December 10 2015 03:53 GMT
#15225
On December 10 2015 12:42 Ramiel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2015 12:40 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
What do HB7 and HB8 stand for?


HB= Hot Babe. The number behind indicates how attractive I find them physically on the 1-10 scale


Ah okay, thanks

It sounds like your technique of confidently approaching a girl, smiling, starting up a conversation, and then sealing the deal with a phone number sounds like it's working pretty well. There's no magic percentage of girls you're *supposed* to be able to pick up, and I also like the fact that you don't take it personally if they reject you, and you just move on relatively unfazed.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Ramiel
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1220 Posts
December 10 2015 03:58 GMT
#15226
On December 10 2015 12:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2015 12:42 Ramiel wrote:
On December 10 2015 12:40 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
What do HB7 and HB8 stand for?


HB= Hot Babe. The number behind indicates how attractive I find them physically on the 1-10 scale


Ah okay, thanks

It sounds like your technique of confidently approaching a girl, smiling, starting up a conversation, and then sealing the deal with a phone number sounds like it's working pretty well. There's no magic percentage of girls you're *supposed* to be able to pick up, and I also like the fact that you don't take it personally if they reject you, and you just move on relatively unfazed.


Thanks, it has worked very well for me in the past (its how I got my last gf now ex). Percentage of girls is something that i have been thinking about. Ideally if you can get a 60% pull rate, that would be amazing! So many variables to consider when trying it however.

Rejection is key. You are GOING to get rejected. The way I look at it, its their loss. It takes practice- but soon those things dont phase you. I have been rejected by a girl, walked down the street into another coffee shop- and gotten a number 10min later. Just don't take anything personal- and remember: The worst they can do is just walk away. Most of the time, cold approaching girls makes their day (Provided you don't act like a sleaze bag). Most girls (even if they reject you) Will say sorry / no thank you- and have a good day (assuming you respond in kind).
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[Phantom]
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Mexico2170 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-10 07:01:54
December 10 2015 06:53 GMT
#15227
So the trip to Europe...I agree that logic should tell you it's a bad idea. But idk, maybe try it? I mean if you like her are you going to regret not telling her later? But you need to be careful, as maybe it's simply because you don't have anyone else. Would it be worth it?

Although I must say that sometimes even though I know some choice isn't the best, I do it anyway because I just want to know what happens and I don't want to regret not doing it.. So if you really want to, do it, but we must warn you and you should be conscious about what you could be getting into.

About Ranier, that seems like a good aproach as girls value confidence a lot. I don't think you need to change your strategy or anything just keep doing it. It looks like a casual aproach but it seems you aren't looking for something casual. Is this your only way to meet women? Or are there other girls in your neighborhood or work that you could be interested in?


About that article of purposefully falling in love.. I don't think so. I think they were attracted already. Say what you want but the (sad?) truth is that there always needs to be a certain amount of attraction.

In my experience being close and letting your guard down does help to create a bond. I am one person who can easily be trusted and I've managed to get girls to tell me tons of stuff they wouldn't say to a stranger or even friends in the first or second date. But while it does creates a certain bound that makes the relationship (the way you treat and talk to each other) between you and her special, at least in my experience, it's not been enough. There is just so much more, that even if that girl told me all her dreams and deepest secrets, there is no guarantee of anything. In fact most of the times that has happened we didn't end up dating. Take my experience as anecdotal though, you mileage may very well vary.

Also I must say that if you want to get to know someone closely, asking those questions would be a very weird approach, and for the other person to not be weirded out they must already like you at least a little to accept it. Even though some questions are good, I think transforming them and taking a more organic approach would be better. In my experience it's not hard at all to make someone open up. Most of the time you just need to show you are willing to listen. It's funny because it feels as if people were only waiting to be asked.
WriterTeamLiquid Staff writer since 2014 @Mortal_Phantom
jkillashark
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States5262 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-10 07:47:44
December 10 2015 07:47 GMT
#15228
First girlfriend at age 23. Engaged after 6 months. Happily married for two years so far. She's hot too. I'm the reacher and she's the settler. She insists that I'm the settler but that's because I make her laugh and treat her well.

Pays to wait guys. Don't dick around and mess yourself up emotionally. You don't even know the person you are until after college..
Do your best, God will do the rest.
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-10 09:16:17
December 10 2015 09:05 GMT
#15229
On December 10 2015 12:58 Ramiel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2015 12:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On December 10 2015 12:42 Ramiel wrote:
On December 10 2015 12:40 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
What do HB7 and HB8 stand for?


HB= Hot Babe. The number behind indicates how attractive I find them physically on the 1-10 scale


Ah okay, thanks

It sounds like your technique of confidently approaching a girl, smiling, starting up a conversation, and then sealing the deal with a phone number sounds like it's working pretty well. There's no magic percentage of girls you're *supposed* to be able to pick up, and I also like the fact that you don't take it personally if they reject you, and you just move on relatively unfazed.


Thanks, it has worked very well for me in the past (its how I got my last gf now ex). Percentage of girls is something that i have been thinking about. Ideally if you can get a 60% pull rate, that would be amazing! So many variables to consider when trying it however.

Rejection is key. You are GOING to get rejected. The way I look at it, its their loss. It takes practice- but soon those things dont phase you. I have been rejected by a girl, walked down the street into another coffee shop- and gotten a number 10min later. Just don't take anything personal- and remember: The worst they can do is just walk away. Most of the time, cold approaching girls makes their day (Provided you don't act like a sleaze bag). Most girls (even if they reject you) Will say sorry / no thank you- and have a good day (assuming you respond in kind).


1) Drop the 1-10 Scale. She either attracts you or doesn't and approach them all the same. That way you'll give a "6" the same chance as a "10" and you won't miss out on some awesome people. Conversely, when someone is a "10" you'll treat them the same and won't be intimidated by looks. Just forgetting about it altogether is simply healthier and will lead to a better approach. Treat the girls as people, not objects

2) The initial scripted line and routines are like training wheels on a bike. It helps you have artificial sense of confidence, get on the bike, but to start going really really fast you'll have to drop the training wheels sooner or later. I've always felt that when I go out the first few approaches I always needed it, but by far the best way to get to know women is mindfulness, going to her without anything scripted and acting genuinely on the spot, expressing what you feel and what's unique about her. That way you'll be way more original, will have more fun yourself, let your personality really come out, will notice what's unique about her, her reactions etc.

3) Speaking of success percentages. They suck - Ideally you want to be yourself, let your personality rip no matter what it is, drop scripted lines that get you "warm" responses from largest amounts of women. It seems like you're a trooper in terms of taking rejection (it really does get easy after first 3-5) so if you want awesome results I'd focus on ignoring results and don't be afraid to "polarize" when you approach - be yourself, be original, don't hide anything, say exactly what you mean. A lot of girls will hate you right off the bat, but sooner or later you'll find someone who's really into what you are, and that's what you really want whether it's a 1 night stand or potential relationship you're after.

Only thing I would measure when initially going out there for the first time is number of girls I spoke to as a measure of courage and that's it - spoke to 10 girls, success. No matter if you got 0 numbers , slept with 10 or married one of them.
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4558 Posts
December 10 2015 09:07 GMT
#15230
This is rapidly going back to PUA lol.

"HB7" and "HB8" smh.
Ramiel
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1220 Posts
December 10 2015 11:15 GMT
#15231
On December 10 2015 15:53 [Phantom] wrote:
So the trip to Europe...I agree that logic should tell you it's a bad idea. But idk, maybe try it? I mean if you like her are you going to regret not telling her later? But you need to be careful, as maybe it's simply because you don't have anyone else. Would it be worth it?

Although I must say that sometimes even though I know some choice isn't the best, I do it anyway because I just want to know what happens and I don't want to regret not doing it.. So if you really want to, do it, but we must warn you and you should be conscious about what you could be getting into.

About Ranier, that seems like a good aproach as girls value confidence a lot. I don't think you need to change your strategy or anything just keep doing it. It looks like a casual aproach but it seems you aren't looking for something casual. Is this your only way to meet women? Or are there other girls in your neighborhood or work that you could be interested in?


About that article of purposefully falling in love.. I don't think so. I think they were attracted already. Say what you want but the (sad?) truth is that there always needs to be a certain amount of attraction.

In my experience being close and letting your guard down does help to create a bond. I am one person who can easily be trusted and I've managed to get girls to tell me tons of stuff they wouldn't say to a stranger or even friends in the first or second date. But while it does creates a certain bound that makes the relationship (the way you treat and talk to each other) between you and her special, at least in my experience, it's not been enough. There is just so much more, that even if that girl told me all her dreams and deepest secrets, there is no guarantee of anything. In fact most of the times that has happened we didn't end up dating. Take my experience as anecdotal though, you mileage may very well vary.

Also I must say that if you want to get to know someone closely, asking those questions would be a very weird approach, and for the other person to not be weirded out they must already like you at least a little to accept it. Even though some questions are good, I think transforming them and taking a more organic approach would be better. In my experience it's not hard at all to make someone open up. Most of the time you just need to show you are willing to listen. It's funny because it feels as if people were only waiting to be asked.


Street pulls, tinder, and online. I don't touch girls i work with or that are part of my friend group. I stand to loose too much, and if things go south - it gets messy fast.
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Ramiel
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1220 Posts
December 10 2015 11:17 GMT
#15232
On December 10 2015 16:47 jkillashark wrote:
First girlfriend at age 23. Engaged after 6 months. Happily married for two years so far. She's hot too. I'm the reacher and she's the settler. She insists that I'm the settler but that's because I make her laugh and treat her well.

Pays to wait guys. Don't dick around and mess yourself up emotionally. You don't even know the person you are until after college..


See to me, it seems crazy that you date 1 person - out of the 3+billion girls on the planet and find out she is the best fit for you. I am happy for you, but can't imagine being in your shoes!
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Ramiel
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1220 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-10 11:29:04
December 10 2015 11:27 GMT
#15233
On December 10 2015 18:05 LemOn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2015 12:58 Ramiel wrote:
On December 10 2015 12:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On December 10 2015 12:42 Ramiel wrote:
On December 10 2015 12:40 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
What do HB7 and HB8 stand for?


HB= Hot Babe. The number behind indicates how attractive I find them physically on the 1-10 scale


Ah okay, thanks

It sounds like your technique of confidently approaching a girl, smiling, starting up a conversation, and then sealing the deal with a phone number sounds like it's working pretty well. There's no magic percentage of girls you're *supposed* to be able to pick up, and I also like the fact that you don't take it personally if they reject you, and you just move on relatively unfazed.


Thanks, it has worked very well for me in the past (its how I got my last gf now ex). Percentage of girls is something that i have been thinking about. Ideally if you can get a 60% pull rate, that would be amazing! So many variables to consider when trying it however.

Rejection is key. You are GOING to get rejected. The way I look at it, its their loss. It takes practice- but soon those things dont phase you. I have been rejected by a girl, walked down the street into another coffee shop- and gotten a number 10min later. Just don't take anything personal- and remember: The worst they can do is just walk away. Most of the time, cold approaching girls makes their day (Provided you don't act like a sleaze bag). Most girls (even if they reject you) Will say sorry / no thank you- and have a good day (assuming you respond in kind).


1) Drop the 1-10 Scale. She either attracts you or doesn't and approach them all the same. That way you'll give a "6" the same chance as a "10" and you won't miss out on some awesome people. Conversely, when someone is a "10" you'll treat them the same and won't be intimidated by looks. Just forgetting about it altogether is simply healthier and will lead to a better approach. Treat the girls as people, not objects

2) The initial scripted line and routines are like training wheels on a bike. It helps you have artificial sense of confidence, get on the bike, but to start going really really fast you'll have to drop the training wheels sooner or later. I've always felt that when I go out the first few approaches I always needed it, but by far the best way to get to know women is mindfulness, going to her without anything scripted and acting genuinely on the spot, expressing what you feel and what's unique about her. That way you'll be way more original, will have more fun yourself, let your personality really come out, will notice what's unique about her, her reactions etc.

3) Speaking of success percentages. They suck - Ideally you want to be yourself, let your personality rip no matter what it is, drop scripted lines that get you "warm" responses from largest amounts of women. It seems like you're a trooper in terms of taking rejection (it really does get easy after first 3-5) so if you want awesome results I'd focus on ignoring results and don't be afraid to "polarize" when you approach - be yourself, be original, don't hide anything, say exactly what you mean. A lot of girls will hate you right off the bat, but sooner or later you'll find someone who's really into what you are, and that's what you really want whether it's a 1 night stand or potential relationship you're after.

Only thing I would measure when initially going out there for the first time is number of girls I spoke to as a measure of courage and that's it - spoke to 10 girls, success. No matter if you got 0 numbers , slept with 10 or married one of them.


Hmm i never thought about the 'hotness' scale as objectification. Its more of getting a basic mindset of where you and the girl is starting from. Ie. If you try and pull a HB2-HB4 you could more than likely vastly increase your pull rate. But would you be really satisfied? Physical attractiveness playes a huge role in dating and relationships imo.

As for 3 your thoughts seem to contradict all of my experience. While it certainly is important to be yourself, save that for the first / second date. Trying to pull numbers is a numbers / seduction game. Be playful, kind, and confident. Putting your soul on display could lead to bruises when rejection comes. Imo you can normally close a girl within 1/2 min of meeting her. By that time she has already decided if you are worthy in the first place. Lastly, in these early moments (in my experience at least) talking about yourself is a huge no. I always keep the conversation on her, and focused on her interest. That way she can become more comfortable as she talks more.

But hey, just my two cents
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LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-10 13:06:30
December 10 2015 12:51 GMT
#15234
On December 10 2015 20:27 Ramiel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2015 18:05 LemOn wrote:
On December 10 2015 12:58 Ramiel wrote:
On December 10 2015 12:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On December 10 2015 12:42 Ramiel wrote:
On December 10 2015 12:40 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
What do HB7 and HB8 stand for?


HB= Hot Babe. The number behind indicates how attractive I find them physically on the 1-10 scale


Ah okay, thanks

It sounds like your technique of confidently approaching a girl, smiling, starting up a conversation, and then sealing the deal with a phone number sounds like it's working pretty well. There's no magic percentage of girls you're *supposed* to be able to pick up, and I also like the fact that you don't take it personally if they reject you, and you just move on relatively unfazed.


Thanks, it has worked very well for me in the past (its how I got my last gf now ex). Percentage of girls is something that i have been thinking about. Ideally if you can get a 60% pull rate, that would be amazing! So many variables to consider when trying it however.

Rejection is key. You are GOING to get rejected. The way I look at it, its their loss. It takes practice- but soon those things dont phase you. I have been rejected by a girl, walked down the street into another coffee shop- and gotten a number 10min later. Just don't take anything personal- and remember: The worst they can do is just walk away. Most of the time, cold approaching girls makes their day (Provided you don't act like a sleaze bag). Most girls (even if they reject you) Will say sorry / no thank you- and have a good day (assuming you respond in kind).


1) Drop the 1-10 Scale. She either attracts you or doesn't and approach them all the same. That way you'll give a "6" the same chance as a "10" and you won't miss out on some awesome people. Conversely, when someone is a "10" you'll treat them the same and won't be intimidated by looks. Just forgetting about it altogether is simply healthier and will lead to a better approach. Treat the girls as people, not objects

2) The initial scripted line and routines are like training wheels on a bike. It helps you have artificial sense of confidence, get on the bike, but to start going really really fast you'll have to drop the training wheels sooner or later. I've always felt that when I go out the first few approaches I always needed it, but by far the best way to get to know women is mindfulness, going to her without anything scripted and acting genuinely on the spot, expressing what you feel and what's unique about her. That way you'll be way more original, will have more fun yourself, let your personality really come out, will notice what's unique about her, her reactions etc.

3) Speaking of success percentages. They suck - Ideally you want to be yourself, let your personality rip no matter what it is, drop scripted lines that get you "warm" responses from largest amounts of women. It seems like you're a trooper in terms of taking rejection (it really does get easy after first 3-5) so if you want awesome results I'd focus on ignoring results and don't be afraid to "polarize" when you approach - be yourself, be original, don't hide anything, say exactly what you mean. A lot of girls will hate you right off the bat, but sooner or later you'll find someone who's really into what you are, and that's what you really want whether it's a 1 night stand or potential relationship you're after.

Only thing I would measure when initially going out there for the first time is number of girls I spoke to as a measure of courage and that's it - spoke to 10 girls, success. No matter if you got 0 numbers , slept with 10 or married one of them.


Hmm i never thought about the 'hotness' scale as objectification. Its more of getting a basic mindset of where you and the girl is starting from. Ie. If you try and pull a HB2-HB4 you could more than likely vastly increase your pull rate. But would you be really satisfied? Physical attractiveness playes a huge role in dating and relationships imo.

As for 3 your thoughts seem to contradict all of my experience. While it certainly is important to be yourself, save that for the first / second date. Trying to pull numbers is a numbers / seduction game. Be playful, kind, and confident. Putting your soul on display could lead to bruises when rejection comes. Imo you can normally close a girl within 1/2 min of meeting her. By that time she has already decided if you are worthy in the first place. Lastly, in these early moments (in my experience at least) talking about yourself is a huge no. I always keep the conversation on her, and focused on her interest. That way she can become more comfortable as she talks more.

But hey, just my two cents

Well yeah, it will lead to bruises when rejection comes (and it will come more often, guaranteed! And that's great!) that's why hiding behind numbers and routines is basically avoidance of pain/rejection and a sign of low confidence in it's own right. That's why it's good initially when your self-esteem is low, but once you are confident in who you are it becomes a burden that'll slow you down.

I guess if you have a limited time in which you want to get laid, quality relationships are not something you want, and your success rates are important in terms of raising your self-esteem e.g. after a breakup it might still be optimal to keep using routines, focusing on results, numbers, routines, how you come across and ratios. Even though that is questionable as well as by using that focus you are hindering the power of your sub-conscious mind that's way more powerful than your rational thinking.


What you are describing is a results oriented approach, where you "win" by closing with as many girls as possible while manipulating how you come off (EDIT: I know, because I've done that :D). An approach that even major players that were in "The Game" say is basically shit
Definitely recommend this, it's a pretty good listen to this podcast. And the way modern approach for men in regards to women is taking, where masculine honesty, mindfulness and polarizing is what most seem to agree on.
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32161 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-10 14:07:09
December 10 2015 14:05 GMT
#15235
knowing or feeling that one person is physically more attractive than the other isnt objectifying, everyone categorizes potential dates like this even if they insist otherwise.

pua lingo and boiling it down to a science, analyzing shit further than most sales people is what makes it objectifying and comes off as really skeezy. the failing is looking them as hb7s or marks rather than people, and pua literature seems to really blur those two lines a whole lot which is why it's generally frowned upon even if there are some positives that can be taken from pua as far as building self confidence and what have you.

also yeah if youve got the hots for a friend but the feeling ins't mutual, and you go on a trip with just them to corner them a second time you are firmly in dickhead territory. id go if you could go as just friends and not be a baby if she hooks up with someone, but i also dont think there's any shame in recognizing that you couldn't handle it.
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Ramiel
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1220 Posts
December 10 2015 15:00 GMT
#15236
On December 10 2015 21:51 LemOn wrote:
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On December 10 2015 20:27 Ramiel wrote:
On December 10 2015 18:05 LemOn wrote:
On December 10 2015 12:58 Ramiel wrote:
On December 10 2015 12:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On December 10 2015 12:42 Ramiel wrote:
On December 10 2015 12:40 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
What do HB7 and HB8 stand for?


HB= Hot Babe. The number behind indicates how attractive I find them physically on the 1-10 scale


Ah okay, thanks

It sounds like your technique of confidently approaching a girl, smiling, starting up a conversation, and then sealing the deal with a phone number sounds like it's working pretty well. There's no magic percentage of girls you're *supposed* to be able to pick up, and I also like the fact that you don't take it personally if they reject you, and you just move on relatively unfazed.


Thanks, it has worked very well for me in the past (its how I got my last gf now ex). Percentage of girls is something that i have been thinking about. Ideally if you can get a 60% pull rate, that would be amazing! So many variables to consider when trying it however.

Rejection is key. You are GOING to get rejected. The way I look at it, its their loss. It takes practice- but soon those things dont phase you. I have been rejected by a girl, walked down the street into another coffee shop- and gotten a number 10min later. Just don't take anything personal- and remember: The worst they can do is just walk away. Most of the time, cold approaching girls makes their day (Provided you don't act like a sleaze bag). Most girls (even if they reject you) Will say sorry / no thank you- and have a good day (assuming you respond in kind).


1) Drop the 1-10 Scale. She either attracts you or doesn't and approach them all the same. That way you'll give a "6" the same chance as a "10" and you won't miss out on some awesome people. Conversely, when someone is a "10" you'll treat them the same and won't be intimidated by looks. Just forgetting about it altogether is simply healthier and will lead to a better approach. Treat the girls as people, not objects

2) The initial scripted line and routines are like training wheels on a bike. It helps you have artificial sense of confidence, get on the bike, but to start going really really fast you'll have to drop the training wheels sooner or later. I've always felt that when I go out the first few approaches I always needed it, but by far the best way to get to know women is mindfulness, going to her without anything scripted and acting genuinely on the spot, expressing what you feel and what's unique about her. That way you'll be way more original, will have more fun yourself, let your personality really come out, will notice what's unique about her, her reactions etc.

3) Speaking of success percentages. They suck - Ideally you want to be yourself, let your personality rip no matter what it is, drop scripted lines that get you "warm" responses from largest amounts of women. It seems like you're a trooper in terms of taking rejection (it really does get easy after first 3-5) so if you want awesome results I'd focus on ignoring results and don't be afraid to "polarize" when you approach - be yourself, be original, don't hide anything, say exactly what you mean. A lot of girls will hate you right off the bat, but sooner or later you'll find someone who's really into what you are, and that's what you really want whether it's a 1 night stand or potential relationship you're after.

Only thing I would measure when initially going out there for the first time is number of girls I spoke to as a measure of courage and that's it - spoke to 10 girls, success. No matter if you got 0 numbers , slept with 10 or married one of them.


Hmm i never thought about the 'hotness' scale as objectification. Its more of getting a basic mindset of where you and the girl is starting from. Ie. If you try and pull a HB2-HB4 you could more than likely vastly increase your pull rate. But would you be really satisfied? Physical attractiveness playes a huge role in dating and relationships imo.

As for 3 your thoughts seem to contradict all of my experience. While it certainly is important to be yourself, save that for the first / second date. Trying to pull numbers is a numbers / seduction game. Be playful, kind, and confident. Putting your soul on display could lead to bruises when rejection comes. Imo you can normally close a girl within 1/2 min of meeting her. By that time she has already decided if you are worthy in the first place. Lastly, in these early moments (in my experience at least) talking about yourself is a huge no. I always keep the conversation on her, and focused on her interest. That way she can become more comfortable as she talks more.

But hey, just my two cents

Well yeah, it will lead to bruises when rejection comes (and it will come more often, guaranteed! And that's great!) that's why hiding behind numbers and routines is basically avoidance of pain/rejection and a sign of low confidence in it's own right. That's why it's good initially when your self-esteem is low, but once you are confident in who you are it becomes a burden that'll slow you down.

I guess if you have a limited time in which you want to get laid, quality relationships are not something you want, and your success rates are important in terms of raising your self-esteem e.g. after a breakup it might still be optimal to keep using routines, focusing on results, numbers, routines, how you come across and ratios. Even though that is questionable as well as by using that focus you are hindering the power of your sub-conscious mind that's way more powerful than your rational thinking.


What you are describing is a results oriented approach, where you "win" by closing with as many girls as possible while manipulating how you come off (EDIT: I know, because I've done that :D). An approach that even major players that were in "The Game" say is basically shit
Definitely recommend this, it's a pretty good listen to this podcast. And the way modern approach for men in regards to women is taking, where masculine honesty, mindfulness and polarizing is what most seem to agree on.


Hey, thanks for the great reply. Given me something to think about - i will listen to that podcast when I am off work, and try and create a response based on how it strikes me. Just looking off the bat, that link you provided is looking helpful - so thanks for this
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Luepert
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1934 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-11 23:31:16
December 10 2015 20:31 GMT
#15237
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LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
December 10 2015 23:19 GMT
#15238
It's December now
If you're still with her in the summer it would have been like 8 months since you are together.

Tbh when my chinese ex did that we've just done texts, and skype maybe a couple times during the 2 months. It's basically a non-issue you don't have to worry about, all you need is texts here and there and resume when she comes back
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evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8939 Posts
December 11 2015 00:28 GMT
#15239
On December 11 2015 08:19 LemOn wrote:
It's December now
If you're still with her in the summer it would have been like 8 months since you are together.

Tbh when my chinese ex did that we've just done texts, and skype maybe a couple times during the 2 months. It's basically a non-issue you don't have to worry about, all you need is texts here and there and resume when she comes back

not at all.
a 'few texts here and there' is nowhere near enough for a couple who are serious about each other. i mean thats how you break up with people. typically if you spend time away from your partner then you miss them more and want to talk to them more etc, and a few texts isnt going to be enough for either of them. if it was enough for you then your or your partner obviously werent as invested into the relationship
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-11 01:00:48
December 11 2015 00:47 GMT
#15240
On December 11 2015 09:28 evilfatsh1t wrote:
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On December 11 2015 08:19 LemOn wrote:
It's December now
If you're still with her in the summer it would have been like 8 months since you are together.

Tbh when my chinese ex did that we've just done texts, and skype maybe a couple times during the 2 months. It's basically a non-issue you don't have to worry about, all you need is texts here and there and resume when she comes back

not at all.
a 'few texts here and there' is nowhere near enough for a couple who are serious about each other. i mean thats how you break up with people. typically if you spend time away from your partner then you miss them more and want to talk to them more etc, and a few texts isnt going to be enough for either of them. if it was enough for you then your or your partner obviously werent as invested into the relationship

On the contrary, I think it's great to spend some time apart once in a while! She will be taken care of, and you can focus on growing as a person and your passions in the meantime.

How invested we were I don't know, but when I've lived with someone and spent every day 2 years prior and 2 after she went to China to visit her family I'd say we were pretty invested :D
typically if you spend time away from your partner then you miss them more and want to talk to them more etc, and a few texts isnt going to be enough for either of them.

Enough for what exactly? If you have self control, and/or as it this case it's straight up close to impossible to have long conversations frequently you will obviously miss and think about each other loads. Is she going to break up with you because she misses you too much for 2-3 months? Bullshit. Or are you really going to pork another girl just because you don't get enough phone time from your GF who's visiting her family? 2 months is nothing in a lifetime of being with someone. If anything as long as you don't have issues with monogamy it will make you want each other even more when you come back than if you Skype 5x per week. I'd say 1x per week skype +some text statements in-between is pretty much the best amount on average in a short term temporary long distance.
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