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N3rV[Green]
United States1935 Posts
Some people disgust me. Money is true evil. edit: also, it's very odd just how much is assumed about people's intentions, ideals, and personal beliefs on nothing more than a few words posted without any tone, inflection or anything. Assume less, and you will do better. | ||
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qosu.tQ
United States32 Posts
On September 19 2011 03:29 N3rV[Green] wrote: I'm sorry if it makes me a bad person to believe that if there is a person in the world with well over 1 billion dollars, and he uses that primarily to generate even more money for himself, while using every single loop hole there is to pay less and less taxes to the point where he might as well just not pay a damn thing is a problem when there are people fucking STARVING ON THE STREETS. Some people disgust me. Money is true evil. and Communism is a fucking party buddy. Video completely related. Edit: for an actual response. Nice one dimensional scenario(the only dimension your brain works in) you set up there and then the comment about the starving on the street, preemptively taking the imaginary moral high ground. You are absolutely adorable. So, what do you posit that people who have wealth should do with their earned wealth? | ||
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jdseemoreglass
United States3773 Posts
On September 19 2011 03:29 N3rV[Green] wrote: I'm sorry if it makes me a bad person to believe that if there is a person in the world with well over 1 billion dollars, and he uses that primarily to generate even more money for himself, while using every single loop hole there is to pay less and less taxes to the point where he might as well just not pay a damn thing is a problem when there are people fucking STARVING ON THE STREETS. Some people disgust me. Money is true evil. People are not starving on the streets.... stop with the ridiculous rhetoric. There are soup kitchens all across the country that give out free food. There are restaurants and food chains that give away tons of leftover food. If you put your hand out a street corner, you can get enough money to feed yourself for days. There are food stamps and other government benefits. No one is starving. | ||
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N3rV[Green]
United States1935 Posts
Ya there aren't people starving, totally. I don't live in a city, so I don't know about those, but I do know that (in the middle of fucking nowhere) I have met plenty of people without money, a home, or food for the day. Who are you to tell me I haven't had those experiences? Assume more sir. Also, I'm not a commie. I just hate money. A lot. | ||
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Pesto
United States121 Posts
Maybe that is a good start? Maybe any public congress of people encouraging others to become politically aware and active is a good start? I'd love to hear from the guy who wants to come on this forum and say that this kind of activity (public demonstration) should be discouraged. I am a liberal but I encourage any kind of gathering which isn't politically or corporately sponsored, whether it be commies or tea party Ron Paul libertarians etc. Eventually they are going to have to unify under some kind of pragmatic demand but it hasn't reached that stage yet. I hope that they try to tackle election reform. If you want to address corporate influence over politics (whatever you perceive that to be) you have to start with getting honest people elected (remove corporate campaign contributions somehow). | ||
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smokeyhoodoo
United States1021 Posts
On September 19 2011 03:29 N3rV[Green] wrote: I'm sorry if it makes me a bad person to believe that if there is a person in the world with well over 1 billion dollars, and he uses that primarily to generate even more money for himself, while using every single loop hole there is to pay less and less taxes to the point where he might as well just not pay a damn thing is a problem when there are people fucking STARVING ON THE STREETS. Some people disgust me. Money is true evil. edit: also, it's very odd just how much is assumed about people's intentions, ideals, and personal beliefs on nothing more than a few words posted without any tone, inflection or anything. Assume less, and you will do better. Someone who has made over a billion dollars has made many billions of dollars for other people as a result. Using that to make even more money, makes even more money for other people. In a free market anyway, there's a lot of people who make money through lobbying the government. | ||
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qosu.tQ
United States32 Posts
On September 19 2011 03:36 N3rV[Green] wrote: You sure are peachy. Ya there aren't people starving, totally. I don't live in a city, so I don't know about those, but I do know that (in the middle of fucking nowhere) I have met plenty of people without money, a home, or food for the day. Who are you to tell me I haven't had those experiences? Assume more sir. Also, I'm not a commie. I just hate money. A lot. Say what you mean/think and nobody will have to make assumptions, you daft twat. User was banned for this post. | ||
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SC2Joker
United States63 Posts
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bellweather
United States404 Posts
I'm guessing you read the NYT about once a week and like to store these numbers in your head for argumentative purposes without any clue as to how it was produced. First of all LOL @ "never spent a dime of it." For that to be true you are admitting to the use of no federal services since we were in a surplus (Clinton era IIRC); it's arguable what benefit wars in the mid east/ bailing out financials and big auto has had for you personally, but I'd venture out to say you are quite better off. Secondly, it's been widely acknowledged that temporary military spending and the Bush era tax cuts are the bulk of the issue in terms of how our deficit was created. | ||
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HunterX11
United States1048 Posts
On September 19 2011 03:09 qosu.tQ wrote: Well, only if you're an idiot who just read the works of Marx/Engels. If you think the misallocation of wealth, the causation of economic downturns, has nothing to do with government interventions in the market....I have some bad news for you. Why would a Marxist think the government has nothing to do with the allocation of wealth under capitalism? Marx was very specific about how the state is a necessary instrument for the functioning of capitalist relations and even wrote about different forms of rent seeking. You're just making up straw men. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
First off, on topic, the protesters are moving their rally around, getting the cops to chase them, essentially getting the cops to shut down Wall Street in their stead. Then the cops finally left and now they're back singing songs and eating pizza. Next off, in any system somebody gets screwed, either the upper class, the lower class, or the middle class. The problem isn't how much they're getting screwed, it's establishing a system where everyone's getting screwed equally. Misery loves company, it'll shut all of us up. | ||
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darkscream
Canada2310 Posts
There's people on Wall Street at the top of various companies who did bad things, knowing they would turn out bad. While I have no doubt that there's some honest-to-goodness Commies supporting this movement hoping for wealth redistribution, I think what people are protesting most is the fiat economy and the fractional reserve system. The fact that our politicians and bankers have created a black hole of debt that can't be repaid, and the fact that they use scare tactics and propaganda to keep the show running to fund perpetual consumerism and perpetual war. They're not out to get the average desk jockey. They want to make big enough waves to make the big players notice them. This thread isn't the place to debate which class should pay the most taxes. Its to cover the people protesting, who believe if there are BIG MONEY problems in the world, the people with BIG MONEY should try solving them so we stop suffering. | ||
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SirKibbleX
United States479 Posts
Watch this video. | ||
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Silverflame
United States428 Posts
On September 19 2011 03:33 jdseemoreglass wrote: People are not starving on the streets.... stop with the ridiculous rhetoric. There are soup kitchens all across the country that give out free food. There are restaurants and food chains that give away tons of leftover food. If you put your hand out a street corner, you can get enough money to feed yourself for days. There are food stamps and other government benefits. No one is starving. 49 million Americans, or one in six, have struggled to put food on the table in 2010. They're not starving, but they're not eating sufficient healthy meals and are forced to live off processed fast food. http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/news/20110907/49-million-americans-struggle-to-put-food-on-the-table | ||
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Iodem
United States1173 Posts
On September 19 2011 03:29 N3rV[Green] wrote: I'm sorry if it makes me a bad person to believe that if there is a person in the world with well over 1 billion dollars, and he uses that primarily to generate even more money for himself, while using every single loop hole there is to pay less and less taxes to the point where he might as well just not pay a damn thing is a problem when there are people fucking STARVING ON THE STREETS. Money is true evil. The love of money is evil. Money is not evil in itself. The ability or desire to purchase luxuries isn't evil. But the obsession to keep your luxuries by illegal means is what I'd consider 'evil.' Crony Capitalism is certainly a problem we have to deal with in this age. | ||
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shawster
Canada2485 Posts
On September 19 2011 03:45 smokeyhoodoo wrote: Someone who has made over a billion dollars has made many billions of dollars for other people as a result. Using that to make even more money, makes even more money for other people. In a free market anyway, there's a lot of people who make money through lobbying the government. and they still spend 1 billion dollars on their house or their private jet. it's naive to say that the rich are dicks and should help more but there are some people who have a fuck ton of money and in an ideal world could help more people. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
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Camail
United States1030 Posts
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Perdac Curall
242 Posts
On September 18 2011 08:46 Reborn8u wrote: See now a days in the U.S. things that are your (according to the constitution) unalienable rights endowed from your creator, require you to get a permit (or permission) from your local government (sounds like an alienation from your right to me), costs a fee, and they are open to decline. Things like protests, gathering (or your right to association and to assemble) and your right to bear arms. They are not going to give you permission to use wall street even if you ask. Sorry, but we have decided to deny your rights today, if you don't obey we will arrest you. See the constitution is a piece of paper, the people with the guns make the rules. Enjoy your protest. I could not agree more with you. However the problem is not that the government is restricting these inalienable rights. The problem is that the citizens do not know or do not believe that they are their inalienable rights, and allow the government to trample over their rights. "When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." -Thomas Jefferson | ||
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