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Voltaire
United States1485 Posts
On September 15 2011 09:28 FabledIntegral wrote: I think emotional trauma can be far worse than physical trauma in many situations. The opposite could be said just as easily. There is no accurate generalization you can make about which type of harm is worse. Every case is different. | ||
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oBlade
United States6552 Posts
On September 15 2011 10:31 BarbieHsu wrote: The opinion that says that in no way should improper speech be punished by incarceration seems to me to be the product of a modern society that babies its citizens. "He's a victim of his times!" No, idiot. He's just a massive dick. On the contrary, locking someone away for name calling is the peak of babying citizens. | ||
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Al Bundy
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On September 15 2011 10:38 AlBundy wrote: It saddens me to note that some people in this thread are not aware of how powerful words can be. Considering the sword has ruled over the pen for the vast majority of our history it saddens me when people think words are sometimes too powerful. edit: I should say all of our history | ||
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paintfive
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Al Bundy
7257 Posts
On September 15 2011 10:48 BlackJack wrote: Considering the sword has ruled over the pen for the vast majority of our history it saddens me when people think words are sometimes too powerful. edit: I should say all of our history You got it backwards. Why would people use swords in the first place? Because they've been told to. Not going to evoke Hitler and his speeches but there are a lot of guys who don't have to use swords in order to kill people. Heck, ever seen star wars episode 2? Fucking Jar jar "gives a speech to the assembled Senate in favor of granting Chancellor Palpatine (Ian McDiarmid) vast emergency powers (and arguably starting the wheel that led to the Clone Wars, Galactic Empire, Galactic Civil War, and all the deaths therein)." source; wikipedia | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
If I had to choose his punishment, id sentence him to 1 month. I agree that 18 is a little nuts, but there should be real consequences for what is essentially assault. I feel like a lot of people are acting like there is nothing someone could do or say to them that would be emotionally devastating. What this guy decided to do, just for the fuck of it, was extremely upsetting to this girl's family. I mean really. That's extremely fucked up. Deciding to give someone hell and poke fun at the fact that a little girl died is basically this guy trying to cause people as much sadness as possible without actually physically harming them. Think about how fucked up that is. The fact that someone is capable of choosing to do that is beyond me. Anyone here lost a loved one? Anyone here had their parents get divorced at a period of their lives where they were somewhat young but still emotionally developed? What if someone tries to pound that event into your head and mock you over it? This might be me giving too much information, but if someone were to do something like this to me in regards to my parents divorce when I was around 12 years old, I'd classify it as more severe than getting physically beat up. I dunno if people have never experienced something extremely emotionally traumatic or if they're just trying to act tough, but..it'd be really fucking painful for someone to do this to you under such circumstances. | ||
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nemY
United States3119 Posts
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On September 15 2011 10:31 Voltaire wrote: The opposite could be said just as easily. There is no accurate generalization you can make about which type of harm is worse. Every case is different. Um, so you agree with me? I just said "in many situations." Which clearly states it works both ways, and there are many different situations ---> each case is different. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On September 15 2011 11:04 AlBundy wrote: You got it backwards. Why would people use swords in the first place? Because they've been told to. Not going to evoke Hitler and his speeches but there are a lot of guys who don't have to use swords in order to kill people. Heck, ever seen star wars episode 2? Fucking Jar jar "gives a speech to the assembled Senate in favor of granting Chancellor Palpatine (Ian McDiarmid) vast emergency powers (and arguably starting the wheel that led to the Clone Wars, Galactic Empire, Galactic Civil War, and all the deaths therein)." source; wikipedia You make a good point. After all, a prosecutor used speech to get a kid thrown in jail over some internet trolling. | ||
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Coraz
United States252 Posts
now your tax dollars are used to feed and house this man. | ||
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jackofclubs81
United States196 Posts
On September 14 2011 20:28 NeV wrote: excuse me but how you can say it's not the real world... Of course it is. If he had insulted her by telephone instead of internet you would have said it's not the real world? If you think the internet is the "real world" then look at 4chan. Now think about the people you know in real life. I would be willing to bet that you know nobody nearly fucked up enough to say in real life an average post from /b. You may think it's real life, but the fact of the matter is that a LOT of people don't and their refusal to treat it that way causes your point to be incorrect. | ||
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Tektos
Australia1321 Posts
On September 15 2011 11:04 AlBundy wrote: You got it backwards. Why would people use swords in the first place? Because they've been told to. Not going to evoke Hitler and his speeches but there are a lot of guys who don't have to use swords in order to kill people. Heck, ever seen star wars episode 2? Fucking Jar jar "gives a speech to the assembled Senate in favor of granting Chancellor Palpatine (Ian McDiarmid) vast emergency powers (and arguably starting the wheel that led to the Clone Wars, Galactic Empire, Galactic Civil War, and all the deaths therein)." source; wikipedia The difference being the examples you've given were from people in positions of power or responsibility. People trusted by those who followed them. This was a kid posting on Facebook. Can you imagine it? A douche posts on twitter "hai guys lets go2 war w/ Japan cause they beat us in the world cup LOLOLOL" and then actually going to war over it. | ||
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Truedot
444 Posts
On September 15 2011 11:46 Tektos wrote: The difference being the examples you've given were from people in positions of power or responsibility. People trusted by those who followed them. This was a kid posting on Facebook. Can you imagine it? A douche posts on twitter "hai guys lets go2 war w/ Japan cause they beat us in the world cup LOLOLOL" and then actually going to war over it. You know what happened when japan had its reactor issue? Thousands of people from the U.S. on facebook posted things such as "serves them right for WW2, this is justice/karma/whatever". Seriously. and from ALL age groups. Offensive to me, even though Im U.S. cit. Offensive morally to me and ethically. Also grossly ignorant and wrong. But its their right for these jackasses to say these things. And apparently they have lots of friends on facebook, so its not like their opinion makes them outcasts. People are dying and people say 'serves them right'.... how many people joked about the haiti earthquake? How many people joked about the Japanese crisis? People are all disgusting, and we either have to bear with them, as much as we live and bear with ourselves, or judge ourselves and our friends and family just as harshly. Which one do you think creates a better society, in the long run? hrmm. | ||
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Kojak21
Canada1104 Posts
On September 15 2011 11:47 Truedot wrote: I think is relevant here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cycXuYzmzNg You know what happened when japan had its reactor issue? Thousands of people from the U.S. on facebook posted things such as "serves them right for WW2, this is justice/karma/whatever". Seriously. and from ALL age groups. Offensive to me, even though Im U.S. cit. Offensive morally to me and ethically. Also grossly ignorant and wrong. But its their right for these jackasses to say these things. And apparently they have lots of friends on facebook, so its not like their opinion makes them outcasts. hrmm. your right, since alot of people do it, it shouldnt matter O.o | ||
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Truedot
444 Posts
On September 15 2011 11:53 Kojak21 wrote: your right, since alot of people do it, it shouldnt matter O.o you're a bad troll, and I'll tell you why. You're prognosticating my view on the subject just to stir up trouble. Its offensive, behavior does matter. But deal with it appropriately. | ||
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Tektos
Australia1321 Posts
On September 15 2011 11:47 Truedot wrote: I think is relevant here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cycXuYzmzNg You know what happened when japan had its reactor issue? Thousands of people from the U.S. on facebook posted things such as "serves them right for WW2, this is justice/karma/whatever". Seriously. and from ALL age groups. Offensive to me, even though Im U.S. cit. Offensive morally to me and ethically. Also grossly ignorant and wrong. But its their right for these jackasses to say these things. And apparently they have lots of friends on facebook, so its not like their opinion makes them outcasts. People are dying and people say 'serves them right'.... how many people joked about the haiti earthquake? How many people joked about the Japanese crisis? People are all disgusting, and we either have to bear with them, as much as we live and bear with ourselves, or judge ourselves and our friends and family just as harshly. Which one do you think creates a better society, in the long run? hrmm. So your stance is words are more powerful than the sword, I'm going to assume this means you support this troll being jailed. Does that mean you think that every single person who posted things that you referenced along the lines of "serves them right for WW2" should also be thrown in jail? | ||
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Truedot
444 Posts
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Neurosis
United States893 Posts
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