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Its really fucked up that someone actually went to jail for something like this. Not defending his actions but there isn't anything you could possibly say on facebook that should send you to jail. Not sure wtf exactly "malicious communications" is supposed to be but any kind of communication , regardless of how offensive it might be, is protected under the 1st amendment aside from those that constitute very specific kinds of harassment (i.e. repeated and incessant to the point of being unavoidable) and slader/defamation type things.
An example of that kind of harassment would be spam emailing them every night or following them around yelling stuff at them or something like that. This was nothing near that level. Morally wrong isnt the same as illegal, no matter how messed up some assface judge might think it is.
edit- All the people saying he should be in jail or saying there should be harsher/more punishments for things like this have no morals whatsoever and clearly dont believe in any kind of freedom, frankly im embarrassed to like the same video game as you. take a history class
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all hail the all powerful police state. bow down in fear and tremble before their genocidal might
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On September 15 2011 07:55 funnybananaman wrote:
Its really fucked up that someone actually went to jail for something like this. Not defending his actions but there isn't anything you could possibly say on facebook that should send you to jail. Not sure wtf exactly "malicious communications" is supposed to be but any kind of communication , regardless of how offensive it might be, is protected under the 1st amendment aside from those that constitute very specific kinds of harassment (i.e. repeated and incessant to the point of being unavoidable) and slader/defamation type things.
An example of that kind of harassment would be spam emailing them every night or following them around yelling stuff at them or something like that. This was nothing near that level. Morally wrong isnt the same as illegal, no matter how messed up some assface judge might think it is.
It happened in the U.K.
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jailing people for internet trolling while we're struggling to pay taxes to fund our jail system. smart idea. no wonder we have so many early parole for hard criminals right?
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On September 15 2011 07:58 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2011 07:55 funnybananaman wrote:
Its really fucked up that someone actually went to jail for something like this. Not defending his actions but there isn't anything you could possibly say on facebook that should send you to jail. Not sure wtf exactly "malicious communications" is supposed to be but any kind of communication , regardless of how offensive it might be, is protected under the 1st amendment aside from those that constitute very specific kinds of harassment (i.e. repeated and incessant to the point of being unavoidable) and slader/defamation type things.
An example of that kind of harassment would be spam emailing them every night or following them around yelling stuff at them or something like that. This was nothing near that level. Morally wrong isnt the same as illegal, no matter how messed up some assface judge might think it is. It happened in the U.K.
oh missed that, still equally messed up though. UK really needs to get their shit on board with a first amendment of their own
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On September 15 2011 07:55 funnybananaman wrote:
Its really fucked up that someone actually went to jail for something like this. Not defending his actions but there isn't anything you could possibly say on facebook that should send you to jail. Not sure wtf exactly "malicious communications" is supposed to be but any kind of communication , regardless of how offensive it might be, is protected under the 1st amendment aside from those that constitute very specific kinds of harassment (i.e. repeated and incessant to the point of being unavoidable) and slader/defamation type things.
An example of that kind of harassment would be spam emailing them every night or following them around yelling stuff at them or something like that. This was nothing near that level. Morally wrong isnt the same as illegal, no matter how messed up some assface judge might think it is.
edit- All the people saying he should be in jail or saying there should be harsher/more punishments for things like this have no morals whatsoever and clearly dont believe in any kind of freedom, frankly im embarrassed to like the same video game as you. take a history class
not everyone shares the same conception of free speech as the US. in fact, rarely any other country does. and even if, not everyone shares the same prioritization of it over other things
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They should have just awarded the victim family one free punch in the face. And maybe throw his computer out of a window.
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the guy was obviously a goverment operative, i knew it was all fake as soon as i read "a girl he didn't even know" that was the red flag right there. its just raising the bar on the police state gentlemen, get ready for it. 1984 here we come
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If you think the UK is bad, look at SK and the whole slayers_jessica ordeal on twitter
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I don't agree with putting people in jail for the things that they say. I think that maybe a hefty fine is appropriate.
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Jailing someone for being an asshole? That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. The judicial system just makes me sad.
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On September 15 2011 08:07 Nothingtosay wrote:
I don't agree with putting people in jail for the things that they say. I think that maybe a hefty fine is appropriate.
So to get this straight, if someone was to go around all day every day at maybe cancer wards/burials or something and does nothing other than mocking people, there should be no consequences for that? I know its an extreme example but I think at some point there is a line to be drawn.
Edit: sorry forgot the fine part, if it really is a hefty fine and he doesnt continue thats fine.
Edit 2: lol pun not intended >_>
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On September 15 2011 08:12 ChinaRestaurant wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2011 08:07 Nothingtosay wrote:
I don't agree with putting people in jail for the things that they say. I think that maybe a hefty fine is appropriate. So to get this straight, if someone was to go around all day every day at maybe cancer wards/burials or something and does nothing other than mocking people, there should be no consequences for that? I know its an extreme example but I think at some point there is a line to be drawn.
Well a hefty fine?
:o you edited
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You can't just say anything you want and hide behind "freedom of speech". People were jailed in the UK for facebook pages inciting violence in the recent riots. I think that, and this case are fine.
The line of thought that says "why should he get punished when so many get away with it" is also invalid. Lots of people get away with murder, that doesn't make it ok.
I'm glad he got punished and I hope that people that do other things that are comparable get punished too.
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i disagree with going to jail for this. consequences should be handed out by banning his facebook/ip maybe even disconnecting his internet but not jail.
you can ban for malicious content or w/e and thats how you can draw a line, but you shouldn't cross it to real life. punish him over the internet and restrict internet use maybe, not go to jail.
i'd rather have it so that people can say w/e the fuck they want than for people to be scared of saying something. it's a slippery slope either way. if someone goes pass the line to purposely harm someone then punish him, but don't throw him in jail
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As disgusting as his actions are, I support freedom of speech and could never support him being jailed for saying something over the internet. It truly is sad that the UK is headed in the direction of being a police state.
He should obviously be banned from facebook for being an utter prick, but jailtime? What the hell...
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On September 15 2011 08:27 Tektos wrote:
As disgusting as his actions are, I support freedom of speech and could never support him being jailed for saying something over the internet. It truly is sad that the UK is headed in the direction of being a police state.
He should obviously be banned from facebook for being an utter prick, but jailtime? What the hell...
Would you think differently if he had done something like that in "real life" though? Words can be hurtful either way, doesnt really matter how they are delivered.
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On September 15 2011 08:27 shawster wrote:
i disagree with going to jail for this. consequences should be handed out by banning his facebook/ip maybe even disconnecting his internet but not jail.
you can ban for malicious content or w/e and thats how you can draw a line, but you shouldn't cross it to real life. punish him over the internet and restrict internet use maybe, not go to jail.
i'd rather have it so that people can say w/e the fuck they want than for people to be scared of saying something. it's a slippery slope either way. if someone goes pass the line to purposely harm someone then punish him, but don't throw him in jail
Why is there a distinction in this situation when it comes to internet vs "real life." This very much so affected the family's real lives, as it would affect 99% of the population's lives in this time of emotional distress.
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In Mexico 2 persons went to jail for tweeting concerns about attacks/kidnaps from narcos. They are waiting for sentence, but its between 5 and 30 years. They are accused of "Terrorism".
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What!?! The things you say on the internet can have ramifications in real life!?!?
That man just looks like a troll, but still I am amazed by how low people will stoop when I read about these kind of things.
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